Lets move to Germany

[gmcguitar4]

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I just talked to this German guy doing an elective at the hospital I work at. To get into medical school he just sent in his GPA, heard back in two weeks, and went.. AND it only costs 1000 euro a year. I know its Germany..but damnnn.

Imagine life without MCAT, secondaries, interviews, committee letters...

 

[Tapepsi]

I can't speak German...

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[ozzi22]

I can't speak German...

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this 👍

 

[Brachyury]

Imagine practicing in a country where it can take an unspecififed number of years to finish your residency because if you are not lucky to end-up at a major hospital, you'll have to move across country multiple times to complete all the requirements for your residency. Not to mention that Germany has a physician surplus, and wages are low by American standards. These things aside, practicing medicine in Germany isn't that bad

 

[TheMightySmiter]

Don't physicians in Germany get paid the least of any developed country? Like the equivalent of $50,000USD. I read that somewhere, I think.


Yeah, here. That was five years ago, don't know if things have changed since then.

 

[flatearth22]

But how do they know he really wants to be a doctor if he didn't partake in leadership roles and go change babies' diapers in Guatemala?

 

[ozzi22]

Don't physicians in Germany get paid the least of any developed country? Like the equivalent of $50,000USD. I read that somewhere, I think.


Yeah, here. That was five years ago, don't know if things have changed since then.

I'm certain the OP is not planning on practicing in Germany right ?

 

[blizzah]

I just talked to this German guy doing an elective at the hospital I work at. To get into medical school he just sent in his GPA, heard back in two weeks, and went.. AND it only costs 1000 euro a year. I know its Germany..but damnnn.

Imagine life without MCAT, secondaries, interviews, committee letters...

The result is everyone and their uncle can become a physician.

 

[CodeBlu]

I can't speak German...

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this x2

 

[bucks2010]

Ich denke, meine Ausbildung behindert würde, da ich nicht verstehen kann Deutsch

 

[CodeBlu]

Ich denke, meine Ausbildung behindert würde, da ich nicht verstehen kann Deutsch

😕

 

[cowsgomuon]

Ich denke, meine Ausbildung behindert würde, da ich nicht verstehen kann Deutsch

Lol at that grammar. Google translate?

 

[O2Doc]

Yes, and the decision on whether you'd ever attend med school is made in Grade 4 with an exam that determines if the student gets into the Gymnasium (the higher academic stream), the Realschule or a school that's prep for vocational training.
If you get into the Gymnasium and do well on the exit exams, you might get into university.

Grade 4 is awfully early to be making such a decision 😉

 

[bucks2010]

Lol at that grammar. Google translate?

lol yep.

 

[kexy]

Okay but then we would have to live in Germany. And we all know Germany is the Alabama of Europe.

 

[WeAreNotRobots]

Education is structured differently in Europe. Surprise!

 

[Lil Mick]

Wow. The translation is really bad grammatically. Ist es nicht dein Muttersprache?

So, in many European countries, anyone on a certain track can major in medicine. However, there are usually end of year exams that weed people out of a medical school class. In Austria, it can reduce the size of the class by more than a half. It's an alternative, but I think I like the system of getting into a school and having to work hard to flunk out...

 

[eablackwell]

Ich denke, meine Ausbildung behindert würde, da ich nicht verstehen kann Deutsch

And you haven't quite grasped grammar. 😛 I lived in Vienna for 2 years and I speak German, but the person that mentioned it taking forever to get a residency is correct. My friend's sister graduated med school when I lived there back in 2004. She just found a residency position last year. It wasn't that her grades were poor, but that there was a waiting list years long for a position.

 

[bucks2010]

And you haven't quite grasped grammar. 😛 I lived in Vienna for 2 years and I speak German, but the person that mentioned it taking forever to get a residency is correct. My friend's sister graduated med school when I lived there back in 2004. She just found a residency position last year. It wasn't that her grades were poor, but that there was a waiting list years long for a position.

😱

Is this partially due to holding out for one specialty, or was there literally not a position anywhere?

Also, did she get her MD out of high school? i.e. she got her MD at ~22?

It's interesting how different the education is some places. I worked with a post-doc once who had her MD/PhD at 23 😱

 

[Brachyury]

😱

Is this partially due to holding out for one specialty, or was there literally not a position anywhere?

Also, did she get her MD out of high school? i.e. she got her MD at ~22?

It's interesting how different the education is some places. I worked with a post-doc once who had her MD/PhD at 23 😱

It's 6 years, not 4

 

[Chip N Sawbones]

Yes, and the decision on whether you'd ever attend med school is made in Grade 4 with an exam that determines if the student gets into the Gymnasium (the higher academic stream), the Realschule or a school that's prep for vocational training.
If you get into the Gymnasium and do well on the exit exams, you might get into university.

Grade 4 is awfully early to be making such a decision 😉

Very true. One of my German friends is training to be a doctor. He said that if someone like me was to make a career change from carpenter to doctor, they would have to spend something like ten years retaking all their schooling before they could get into med school. Think they get many nontrad students?

 

[Camy99]

My cousin is in germany and wants to be a physician. She sent in her application when I started my undergrad in 2009. I'm probably going to get my BS before she gets anything.

Even worse, if you're on the waitlist you have to do this type of work where you get some credit to "boost" your gpa, but if you're on the waitlist too long and get too many of these working credit, then you're deemed invaluable and you're stuck there.---it doesn't make sense in written form, but it's kinda like saying, you take a gap year and retake all your classes at a community college and get a 4.0. It's no good b/c the credit isn't coming from a strong school. Kinda like that...

btw my cousin didn't not get in because she has bad stats. Her "gpa" is a 1.4 which is the equivalent of a 3.6 here. You think we're fighting for spots here, hah!

 

[gmcguitar4]

Hell no I'm not trying to goto Germany. I was just interested in hearing about how it works there. I feel like quality of doctor is less if that's all the screening they do.

 

[Redharlequin]

Yeah, the system is like that in most if not all European countries. I'm from Latvia (Eastern Europe) and nobody even looks at our GPA's, there's only one exam (either in chem or bio, you choose) and the acceptance rate is about 40%. Most of the students study totally for free but those who pay pay $4000. Sounds pretty sweet but A LOT of students drop out in the first 2 years bc people getting accepted aren't that bright and motivated and the studies are as hard as anywhere else. Besides, we get paid sh**. And by sh** I mean an average surgeon in hospital gets about $15'000 a year. Not even talking about psychiatry or radiology.
So the cheap and easy acceptance here is totally not worth it. At all.

 

[JKinSC]

btw my cousin didn't not get in because she has bad stats. Her "gpa" is a 1.4 which is the equivalent of a 3.6 here. You think we're fighting for spots here, hah!

From my very limited experience taking classes in Germany, she probably worked one hell of a lot harder getting that 1.4 than any 3.6 student you ever met. Grading is freaking evil in Germany!

 

[Doc of the Walk]

Aren't there still Nazis and Concentration camps there? I think that is where Michelle Bauchman grew up

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