LGTB NEWS: Situation Unfolding at Touro Univ. College of Osteopathic Medicine, CA

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To SDN folks,

A couple people have PM'd me regarding the recent snafu with TUGSA, asking for the latest information:

The Touro University administration has made the following crystalline clear to TUGSA members that:

1. The Touro University Gay-Straight Alliance is here to stay.

2. The University recognizes the importance of giving gay and lesbian students at Touro proper recognition and support.

3. The administration is apologetic towards the students of Touro.

Horray!!! This means that TUGSA can keep being a club, and carry on with
our mission.

Many people have worked tirelessly, directly and indirectly, to make this happen so quickly. Please let these individuals know you appreciate their absolutely fabulous decision. Some of these people took a major personal risk in drafting and then announcing this decision so publicly, even when it may have conflicted with their own beliefs.

Sincerly,

Bryan Hopping
TUGSA member, TUCOM class of 2009

A list of people to thank:

#1 Provost Harvey Kaye, CEO of Touro University
Touro University California
1310 Johnson Lane
Mare Island
Vallejo, CA 94592
P (707) 638-5276 email: [email protected]

#2 Jason Coombs, SGA president Touro University
1310 Johnson Lane
Mare Island
Vallejo, CA 94592
P (707) 567-4121 email: [email protected]


#3 Dr. Katherine Knapp
(707) 638-5221 email: [email protected]

#4 Dr. Michael Clearfield
(707) 638-5982 email: [email protected]

#5 Dr. Nathan Church
(707) 638-5294 email: [email protected]

#6 Dr. Sarah Towne
(707) 638-5206 email: [email protected]

#7 Dr. Greg Troll
(707) 638-5292 email: [email protected]

#8 Dr. Reed Goertler
(707) 638-5259

#9 Mr. Richard Hassel
(707) 638-5259 email: [email protected]

#10 Dr. Barabara Kris
(707) 638-5291 email: [email protected]

#11 Ms. Julia Perhac
(707) 638-5425 email: [email protected]

WOW!!! Congrats folks; you all deserve our gratitude and I hope that you're very proud of yourselves for standing up against discrimination. This is really awesome news! Thanks again.:clap: :clap: :clap:
P.S. I believe you're all going to be great advocates for your patients. Keep the faith.👍
 
1) Everyone involved with Touro (every campus from NY to CA) is a moneymaking bullsh1tter
2) all student clubs are inherently ******ed as they will have ZERO effect on your career as a doctor (and your application for residency - not really sure where your club affiliation in the gay club is going to figure in FREIDA)
3) it's fvcking dumb that ANY money goes to ANY clubs (the goddamned christian club, the ER club, AMSA, AOA, the outdoor club, blah blah blah, who makes this sh1t up for god's sake?)

Look, I'm down with the gays and I hate Touro with a passion of a thousand suns. I hope a million people flood the phone lines with hate calls. But, really, student clubs are so lame. I hope they ban all of them. Starting with that stupid SOMA. God, that sh1t is so lame. Any special interest group should be banned. No one does this crap in real life.

To all your religious nuts: go **** yourselves. If you religious freaks get money from a private school, then so does everyone else. Far as I'm concerned, you all should be listed in the DSM IV way higher than homosexuals.

Oops, didn't know it was resolved. Oh well, my opinion still stands.

wow Elysium... tell us how you REALLY feel 😉
 
1) Everyone involved with Touro (every campus from NY to CA) is a moneymaking bullsh1tter
2) all student clubs are inherently ******ed as they will have ZERO effect on your career as a doctor (and your application for residency - not really sure where your club affiliation in the gay club is going to figure in FREIDA)
3) it's fvcking dumb that ANY money goes to ANY clubs (the goddamned christian club, the ER club, AMSA, AOA, the outdoor club, blah blah blah, who makes this sh1t up for god's sake?)

Look, I'm down with the gays and I hate Touro with a passion of a thousand suns. I hope a million people flood the phone lines with hate calls. But, really, student clubs are so lame. I hope they ban all of them. Starting with that stupid SOMA. God, that sh1t is so lame. Any special interest group should be banned. No one does this crap in real life.

To all your religious nuts: go **** yourselves. If you religious freaks get money from a private school, then so does everyone else. Far as I'm concerned, you all should be listed in the DSM IV way higher than homosexuals.

Oops, didn't know it was resolved. Oh well, my opinion still stands.

Many good points, with an excellent delivery! Why do you hate Touro with such fervor?
 
First, I'm very happy that the Touro administration stepped back in line. Congratulations to all involved.

Second, I have to say I disagree with Elysium about banning all student clubs. Students at any school, particularly professional schools, need some sort of social outlet with other people their age. Clubs make it easier for us to meet and congregate with others who have similar interests. The people you meet in these clubs might become lifelong contacts, who you may want to continue working on the issues of the club with for years to come. In addition, students have always been an important part of activism. Many of us have participated in social acticist activities in undergrad, and it is important to us to be able to continue that kind of work in our professional careers. Student clubs help us develop the skills we have as physicians that we can use to fuel our particular causes.

Clubs exist for the welfare of the students. They give us something to think about and participate in that isn't related entirely to academics. It's a great way to keep from burning out, which is what you will undoubtedly do if you don't have some sort of hobby that gets your mind of school for a while. Yeah, sure there are other ways of socializing, but clubs provide a solid framework and meeting times. When things are scheduled like that, it's much easier to work it into an otherwise hellish life of constant studying.
 
I think he's using the word "ban" in the same spirit that bth7 used the word "ban".

He's not actually saying students should be prohibited from meeting in groups on campus. The cost of hiring armed security guards to make sure that happens is probably a little prohibitive. He's (probably) just suggesting that the school shouldn't contribute a cent for that process out of their budget. I, quite frankly, agree with that.

If the purpoes of your club is to allow students to socialize, collect fees from your members. Why should the student body as a whole be taxed to support your socializing?
 
Last year TUGSA raised MORE money than it took from its SGA budget, so we gave the money back.

The student's weren't "taxed" to support socializing.
 
Your schools' clubs are completely free???

Furthermore, Elysium just gave the most asinine post that I've read in quite some time on SDN. All that he said was F this and F that. Wow, congratulations on such an extended vocabulary. Also, I think clubs do play a very vital role. I know the clubs that I'm currently a member of bring in guest speakers such as resident directors various other doctors that provide us with a wealth of knowledge on what we should be doing to get into the residency that we want.

Now how is that completely useless??? If anything, too many people don't know what they should be doing throughout med school.
 
The way I see it, even practical purposes of clubs aside, anything that keeps the students sane is useful. I think that it is useful for the school to endorse clubs for that reason. Why shouldn't some of the money that you pay in tuition go towards keeping you and the rest of your classmates at a decent level of morale?
 
The way I see it, even practical purposes of clubs aside, anything that keeps the students sane is useful. I think that it is useful for the school to endorse clubs for that reason. Why shouldn't some of the money that you pay in tuition go towards keeping you and the rest of your classmates at a decent level of morale?

Agreed.
 
Your schools' clubs are completely free???

Furthermore, Elysium just gave the most asinine post that I've read in quite some time on SDN. All that he said was F this and F that. Wow, congratulations on such an extended vocabulary. Also, I think clubs do play a very vital role. I know the clubs that I'm currently a member of bring in guest speakers such as resident directors various other doctors that provide us with a wealth of knowledge on what we should be doing to get into the residency that we want.

Now how is that completely useless??? If anything, too many people don't know what they should be doing throughout med school.
Trust me, if you went to Touro, you'd understand why she'd be F this and F that-- you'd be doing it too.
 
The saga continues!

Govenor McGreevey's new book "comes out" next week. According to associated press, in the book, the former former govenor of New Jersey says that Touro college tried to "blackmail" him into giving them a charter for a new medical school.

This is unbelievable. I had no idea the people I was dealing with when I signed up for Touro. This is so over the top.

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

WASHINGTON — Former New Jersey Gov. James E. McGreevey decided not to tell federal prosecutors about a $50 million extortion plot against him because it would expose his secret life as a gay man, he writes in his tell-all book "The Confession."

A copy of the book, obtained Thursday by The Associated Press, detailed how McGreevey ultimately decided to come out on his own after the blackmail threat was made by a former male lover. In a political stunner, he went public at an Aug. 12, 2004, news conference at which he confessed to an extramarital affair with another man and announced his resignation more than a a year before his term was up.

McGreevey's book, due in bookstores Tuesday, details his inner battles with his homosexuality, his rise in New Jersey politics and his double life as a married father and a closeted gay. He described bedding the man whom he claims blackmailed him while his wife, Dina, was in the hospital after delivering their daughter.

He recalls how New Jersey state troopers were parked outside as he met with Golan Cipel, the man he would later put in charge of New Jersey's counterterrorism efforts despite having no experience. Cipel repeatedly has denied that he is gay.

The affair continued and in 2002, Dina McGreevey confronted her husband, asking if he was gay. McGreevey thought about telling her the truth, but said nothing.

On July 23, 2004, the first step leading up to McGreevey's resignation was taken when an aide told him that Cipel had threatened to file sexual assault charges against him if he did not pay $50 million. Weeks of back and forth with Cipel's attorney went nowhere.

Minutes before the resignation speech, McGreevey said Cipel tried to blackmail him again, asking for $2 million and a charter for Touro College in New York to open a medical school campus. Allen Lowy, the lawyer who represented Cipel, refused to comment Thursday on the book.

McGreevey retreated into private life and remained silent until he spoke with Oprah Winfrey on Tuesday about the book — that show will air Tuesday He works now as a university-level educational consultant and an childhood anti-poverty advocate. McGreevey, 49, lives in Plainfield, N.J., with his partner, Mark O'Donnell.

McGreevey is set to embark on a monthlong book tour, arranged by publisher Harper Collins. The 359-page book costs $26.

Who are these people?
 
Trust me, if you went to Touro, you'd understand why she'd be F this and F that-- you'd be doing it too.

That was a she?? Truck driver's mouth, huh.


PC alert:
*Sorry to all truck drivers out there for making such a stereotypical and unfair comment.
 
The saga continues!

Govenor McGreevey's new book "comes out" next week. According to associated press, in the book, the former former govenor of New Jersey says that Touro college tried to "blackmail" him into giving them a charter for a new medical school.

This is unbelievable. I had no idea the people I was dealing with when I signed up for Touro. This is so over the top.



Who are these people?

Look dude.touro doesn't like homosexuality...get over it, get your degree, and be a good physician. The person who has the biggest issue with YOUR sexuality...is YOU. Strait truth dude...no intention to be mean..but you're gay and your school doesn't like it...get over it and move on. If you need a medical school to validate your sexuality you need counseling. Again, don't mean to be mean, but that's the strait truth.
 
I hate it when gay people try to strong arm their sexuality...like somehow If I give my (or school) gives their approval they'll feel better. Stop worrying about the rest of the world. Be happy...and live how you want to live 🙂
 
Tough on you. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but don't try to brush away the other side. I'm a future physician and I don't support such abominations. According to my religion, homosexuals will burn in hell. Also I don't think they should have removed homsexuality from the DSM as a psycological problem. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and if it is a private school they can chose to not fund any club that is against their charter.

I suppose you don't believe in evolution either? Maybe you can be tom cruise's new doctor.
 
There's a dramatic story unfolding at Touro College of Medicine in California at the moment. The university has inexplicably barred the Gay/Lesbian and Bisexual students from meeting as a group on campus.

Here's some links to important info:

Wikipedia Article on TUGSA

www.tugsa.net

Here are two numbers to call to voice your opinion on this matter:


TUCOM SGA: (707) 567-4121
Dean of Students: (707) 638-5294 email: [email protected]


These are public, Touro University numbers for TUCOM classes 2007-2010. Anyone who has a question about where the SGA stands on this matter - refer them to these numbers. Also, you can just call the number and leave a message or make a comment about your position on the TUGSA matter. (Keep it friendly please.)

Bryan Hopping, MS II
Touro University Gay-Straight Alliance
__________________
Human Salvation lies in the hands of the creatively maladjusted." Dr. MLK, Jr.
TUCOM - MI Class of 2009 Track my progress

Is this the number we call if we think that Touro made the right decision originally and you people should keep your dating preferences to yourself?
 
Look dude.touro doesn't like homosexuality...get over it, get your degree, and be a good physician. The person who has the biggest issue with YOUR sexuality...is YOU. Strait truth dude...no intention to be mean..but you're gay and your school doesn't like it...get over it and move on. If you need a medical school to validate your sexuality you need counseling. Again, don't mean to be mean, but that's the strait truth.

There is nothing wrong with expecting other people that you're in a relationship with (professional or personal) to validate you; validation is not about agreeing but about respecting. All of these TUGSA students went to TUCOM expecting that they would be respected; i.e., there was an officially recognized GLBT club. Some of them would not have gone to TUCOM if that had been different.
People expecting and demanding that they be validated, i.e., respected (e.g., not be discriminated against) is what the civil rights movement, the women's right movement, and the gay rights movement are all about; and thank God for it.👍
You know, Rosa Parks could have been ok with the lack of validation that she was getting but thank God she wasn't. We're ALL better for it. The victory of any minority (be it racial, ethnic, religious, sexual, etc) against discrimination is a victory for all of us.
It is great to see that NSU-COM (my first choice😍 ) shares these values:


Notices of Nondiscrimination and Accreditation
Consistent with all federal and state laws, rules, regulations, and/or local ordinances (e.g., Title VII, Title VI, Title
III, Title II, Rehab Act, ADA, and Title IX), it is the policy of Nova Southeastern University not to engage in any
discrimination or harassment against any individuals because of race, color, religion or creed, sex, pregnancy status,
national or ethnic origin, nondisqualifying disability, age, ancestry, marital status, sexual orientation, unfavorable
discharge from the military, veteran status, or political beliefs or affiliations, and to comply with all federal and state
nondiscrimination, equal opportunity, and affirmative action laws, orders, and regulations.
This nondiscrimination policy applies to admissions; enrollment; scholarships; loan programs; athletics;
employment; and access to, participation in, and treatment in all university centers, programs, and activities. NSU
admits students of any race, color, religion or creed, sex, pregnancy status, national or ethnic origin, nondisqualifying
disability, age, ancestry, marital status, sexual orientation, unfavorable discharge from the military, veteran status, or
political beliefs or affiliations, to all the rights, privileges, programs, and activities generally accorded or made
available to students at NSU, and does not discriminate in the administration of its educational policies, admission
policies, scholarship and loan programs, and athletic and other school-administered programs.
:clap: :clap:
Nova Southeastern University is accredited by the Commission on Colleges of the Southern Association of Colleges
and Schools (1866 Southern Lane, Decatur, Georgia 30033-4097, Telephone number: 404-679-4501) to award
associate’s, bachelor’s, master’s, educational specialist, and doctoral degrees.

I hate it when gay people try to strong arm their sexuality...like somehow If I give my (or school) gives their approval they'll feel better. Stop worrying about the rest of the world. Be happy...and live how you want to live 🙂

What is "strong arm their sexuality"?😕 Refusing to settle for secondary class status is not strong arming its just struggling against discrimination. If minorities push is because the door has been closed. You are right about "Be happy...and live how you want to live." All most people want is life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; the problem is that discrimination is an obstacle to being happy, to even being able to pursue it. Thank God TUCOM reversed their discriminatory policy and thank God that TUGSA, GLMA, and AMSA pushed for it.:clap: :clap:

Peace.🙂
 
There is nothing wrong with expecting other people that you're in a relationship with (professional or personal) to validate you; validation is not about agreeing but about respecting. All of these TUGSA students went to TUCOM expecting that they would be respected; i.e., there was an officially recognized GLBT club. Some of them would not have gone to TUCOM if that had been different.


I agree that TUCOM should have made their position on homosexuality more clear. I hope I didn't come off as too harsh in my last post. I'm sorry if I did. I'm not anti-homosexual..I have family members who I love very much that are gay. But when people start comparing the struggle to fund the gay/lesbian club to the civil rights movement and rosa parks..😕
 
Is this the number we call if we think that Touro made the right decision originally and you people should keep your dating preferences to yourself?

YES! YES! YES!!!!!

Please, whatever your opinion, please call the numbers I listed and let your opinion be known. Write a letter, call, send an email. Now, today, is the time to do this. The issue is very much still on the table.

Have any organization you are a member of at your own medical school do the same. Start a letter writing campaign. Start a phone tree. Do what you can to make your opinion on this matter be know.

I'm writing this on Saturday, September 16th. Keep those phones ringing all week. You are having an effect.
 
Ohhh myyyy some of you have way too much time on your hand.

For bludy sake.. find another way to entertain yourself. If you have a problem with a school's policy make sure not to apply there.
 
I agree that TUCOM should have made their position on homosexuality more clear. I hope I didn't come off as too harsh in my last post. I'm sorry if I did. I'm not anti-homosexual..I have family members who I love very much that are gay. But when people start comparing the struggle to fund the gay/lesbian club to the civil rights movement and rosa parks..😕

Cool.
I hear you; definitely TUGSA losing recognition is not the same as Parks being segregated to the back of the bus. I don't think it is good, though, to contrast one individual/group/minority's suffering against another but rather to recognize wherever the suffering is and to try to alleviate it or at the very least to not add to it. I believe (hope?) that deep down that is what is motivating all of us in this forum to become physicians.
 
I agree that TUCOM should have made their position on homosexuality more clear. I hope I didn't come off as too harsh in my last post. I'm sorry if I did. I'm not anti-homosexual..I have family members who I love very much that are gay. But when people start comparing the struggle to fund the gay/lesbian club to the civil rights movement and rosa parks..😕

Hindsight is always 20/20. What looks like/is defined as the civil rights movement to us now probably looked like little things back then. I'm sure there were also people thinking "front row seating on a bus, seperate drinking fountains, what's the big deal? it's not like they're not allowed to ride the bus...geez" There will always be people who fail to recognize the importance of what's happening right infront of their eyes.

So a gay student organization that got itself revoked by the school but successfully gained its chapter back through phone calls/letter writings might seem like a little thing to us now, but there will come a day, maybe 100 years from now, when our future generation looks back at us thinking how barbaric we've been and they will appreciate more of their progressiveness in contrast to our backwardedness, just like how we look at our ancestors and cringe at the thought of things like, only 2 female students out of a graduating law/med school class of 100, or Americans citizens of Japanese ancestry sent to concentration camps during WWII by a supposedly democratic government under the rule of law. To them, those were just the daily events in life that nobody really questioned much of and if someone spoke up about it and compared it to some former events of injustice, I bet there were people liike iliacus back then trying to say "you know, i'm not anti-women/anti-japanese/anti-xxx but when people start comparing the struggle of [insert current event of injustice] to the [former event of injustice]..😕"
 
Hindsight is always 20/20. What looks like/is defined as the civil rights movement to us now probably looked like little things back then. I'm sure there were also people thinking "front row seating on a bus, seperate drinking fountains, what's the big deal? it's not like they're not allowed to ride the bus...geez" There will always be people who fail to recognize the importance of what's happening right infront of their eyes.

So a gay student organization that got itself revoked by the school but successfully gained its chapter back through phone calls/letter writings might seem like a little thing to us now, but there will come a day, maybe 100 years from now, when our future generation looks back at us thinking how barbaric we've been and they will appreciate more of their progressiveness in contrast to our backwardedness, just like how we look at our ancestors and cringe at the thought of things like, only 2 female students out of a graduating law/med school class of 100, or Americans citizens of Japanese ancestry sent to concentration camps during WWII by a supposedly democratic government under the rule of law. To them, those were just the daily events in life that nobody really questioned much of and if someone spoke up about it and compared it to some former events of injustice, I bet there were people liike iliacus back then trying to say "you know, i'm not anti-women/anti-japanese/anti-xxx but when people start comparing the struggle of [insert current event of injustice] to the [former event of injustice]..😕"

Wow . . . every once in a while someone says something that just, well , rocks.
 
Hindsight is always 20/20. What looks like/is defined as the civil rights movement to us now probably looked like little things back then. I'm sure there were also people thinking "front row seating on a bus, seperate drinking fountains, what's the big deal? it's not like they're not allowed to ride the bus...geez" There will always be people who fail to recognize the importance of what's happening right infront of their eyes.
I don't think the issue is one of relative "importance". Not at all. I think the issue is the fundamental logic/reasoning behind the different debates. The civil rights movement was about access to public services. If the United States is to deserve the title of "democracy", then its government must guarantee equal access to governmental services for ALL Americans. That is absolutely not the case in the TUCOM case.

Here's the question you really need to answer: should the United States allow organizations like the Ku Klux Klan to exist?

It's a disgusting question (and a far exaggerated version of the current discussion), and I'm reasonably sure there are few in public society that would defend the Ku Klux Klan as an organization... but I also know there are millions of Americans who've died to make sure there isn't oppression of thought and belief, even if it means these idiots could continue to preach their white supremacist ideologies.
 
I don't think the issue is one of relative "importance". Not at all. I think the issue is the fundamental logic/reasoning behind the different debates. The civil rights movement was about access to public services. If the United States is to deserve the title of "democracy", then its government must guarantee equal access to governmental services for ALL Americans. That is absolutely not the case in the TUCOM case.

Here's the question you really need to answer: should the United States allow organizations like the Ku Klux Klan to exist?

It's a disgusting question (and a far exaggerated version of the current discussion), and I'm reasonably sure there are few in public society that would defend the Ku Klux Klan as an organization... but I also know there are millions of Americans who've died to make sure there isn't oppression of thought and belief, even if it means these idiots could continue to preach their white supremacist ideologies.

I think u raise some important legal questions 👍 that I like to tackle (though I'm not a lawyer).
I agree that a private university (i.e., one that does not receive any public funds from fed, state, or local taxes) can certainly refuse to fund a club that goes against its stated beliefs.
The problem is when a "private" u does get funding from a government source even though it is refusing to follow govt guidelines in the use of those funds. I think there was recently an issue of several private universities (that get fed fund) refusing to allow military recruiters on campus; those private u had to rescind their policies or face loss of funding.
Now, isn't TOURO a private u that is getting public funds from a govt source (State of CA) that prohibits discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation?
In other words, if KKK University (being a private u) wants to refuse public funding so that it can legally discriminate against African-Americans, Jews, Catholics, GLBTs, etc OR locate its campus in a jurisdiction that has a govt that will fund it and will not limit its exercise of discrimination, then fine. But if KKK U is in CA, NY, or some other blue or purple state and it then claims to be a private u while seeking public funds from govt sources (that don't allow discrimination) and insists on discriminating, then that is not fine.
Peace. 🙂
 
I think you're asking the right question, and I quite honestly, don't know the answer.

Does Touro use federal funds? I don't know the answer to that question, and someone should answer that. Off hand, I don't know of any "direct" funds that would flow from the taxpayer to Touro. Student loans are of course federally subsidized... but in that case, it's the students who're receiving federal funds, and then choosing to spend it on TUCOM.

(PS: The military recruiter situation you're thinking of is probably UC Irvine.)
 
Bottom line: students are in medical school for medical education. The need for a specific LGBT ‘club’ on campus is only justified if there is a medical relevance to the club’s existence. Otherwise, it’s simply a bunch of people with a certain lifestyle view that want to legitimize / voice their collected opinion. The LGBT issue is about lifestyle and its medical relevance is limited to epidemiology and reproductive health, so why isn’t there a Heterosexual Student Association? Because the LGBT groups (particularly on campuses) are so very politically driven and inherently tied to certain political views.

And being that Touro is a private religious-based institution, it can do whatever it pleases, just as Yale can enroll an ex-Taliban soldier and Harvard can invite the ex-President of Iran to speak on September 11th as if he’s a Nobel Prize winner (tongue in cheek).

You people act amazed that an institution in the 21st century hasn’t followed suit with the progressive liberalization of our educational system… Give me a break.
 
so why isn't there a Heterosexual Student Association?

Because there are not the minority, and there are no "officials" telling them they cannot form a club.
 
Because there are not the minority, and there are no "officials" telling them they cannot form a club.

In my class we had more females than males, but we still had a Women's Medical Alliance. We should have formed a Men's Medical Alliance to talk about the unique epidemiological issues of being a doctor who can write their name in the snow without risking hip dislocation.
 
This topic has me greatly concerned. As someone who was considering Touro as one of my top schools of choice, I am now re-considering my evaluation of the program. Although it is heartening to hear of the decision reversal, it is extremely disconcerting that an institution of medical education could possibly be associated with what is thought and action process from the Dark Ages.
 
Way to bring up a thread that was re-hashed ad nauseum from 1 year ago. I'm sure enough has been said on this specific topic.
 
Way to bring up a thread that was re-hashed ad nauseum from 1 year ago. I'm sure enough has been said on this specific topic.

The only thing about this thread that's ad nauseum is discrimination against people who want equality.

The truth is that many people lives were effected by the events at Touro. Fortunately, the net result of a great deal of student and faculty effort is a change at Touro for the better. The Provost has even made a point of reading the school's non-discrimination policy at major public events this fall, including sexual orientation.

The Touro University Gay-Straight Alliance carries on, with many educational and social events where students can get together to support one another and learn about health issues that LGBT people face. I think the group is stronger and more active than ever. In some way, Touro has become nationally known for this, and for how vocally the students and faculty came together to support the club.
 
If anyone reads through this thread, they will see a very clear beginning, middle, and an end to this story. Thus, there is very little reason to continue this specific thread. If there are further equality issues that arise at other schools, then people should feel free to start another thread.
 
If anyone reads through this thread, they will see a very clear beginning, middle, and an end to this story. Thus, there is very little reason to continue this specific thread. If there are further equality issues that arise at other schools, then people should feel free to start another thread.

Have you been placed in the role of monitoring the plot arc of SDN threads?


bth7
 
Have you been placed in the role of monitoring the plot arc of SDN threads?


bth7

Not at all, but if every few months every thread that has been beaten like a dead horse was brought back to life, SDN would be a graveyard of useless information. In attempt to send this thread back to the basement, this will be my last post.

Best of luck to you bth (honestly). You clearly are very passionate about the things you believe in, and I'm sure you'll continue on that path throughout your career.
 
The issue isn't about when this thread started or ended, the issue is about my school concerns. Regardless of how the matter ended, that's not to say that the matter is still the same. Thus, my statement as tentative inquiry. September 2006 is only a year ago. Further, sexual orientation, or any related discrimination, isn't something that had occurred to me in regards to medical education. I would have thought that such a matter would be left in the Bio and Psych textbooks a long time ago. I read, was shocked, and wrote. Your evaluation of my comment is not only inappropriate, it's illogical.

What, is patient history no longer of concern to you, "It'sElectric", in consideration of past activities or trends? Finally, the fact that you have 800-some posts to your name, as a proposed 'medical student', suggests to me that you would probably do better concentrating on your own business. I definitely don't want you looking at my x-rays or in charge of choice of antibiotic(s), should I need medical attention.

That all being said, I appreciate the work of both faculty and students who enabled education and change in this matter. I understand that world religions and cultures bring different ideas to the table, but respect is still a Universal right in my book. Faith and science...always an interesting subject. I worked it out a long time ago, it still strikes me as odd that it's not as simple for some.
 
What, is patient history no longer of concern to you, "It'sElectric", in consideration of past activities or trends? Finally, the fact that you have 800-some posts to your name, as a proposed 'medical student', suggests to me that you would probably do better concentrating on your own business. I definitely don't want you looking at my x-rays or in charge of choice of antibiotic(s), should I need medical attention.
That's ridiculous. Chill out buddy. You're making something out of nothing...
 
I'm sure the school is just following our president, as of course as everyone knows, the GLBT population is a risk for not only national security, but our school security as well.

Ignorance makes me sick.
 
Ignorance makes me sick.

Ignorance is a sickness. Luckily, we have a treatment. Education!

We have to explain the truth to people. Eventually, people will get it. It's already happening. It happened at Touro. It will happen at other med schools and hospitals and doctors offices too. Keep the process going!

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