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This thread is for those pharmacists who are done graduating. I was wondering how many of you guys and gals are doing what you went to school for, did any of you change careers afterwards? Where and what do you do?

Ill start with myself. After graduation, I worked 70-80 hour weeks for 1 year, then quit pharmacy all together and am currently a private investor and what some call an angel, obviously I work a lot less and make much more than what i did that 1st year. Love what I do, and wouldnt change a thing if I could do it all over again.

Looking forward to all your inputs/replies (if any) 🙂
 
What do you mean by "private investor"?

Do you invest other peoples money? Or are you investing the money you made working that one year?
 
insipid1979 said:
What do you mean by "private investor"?

Do you invest other peoples money? Or are you investing the money you made working that one year?


yes please tell us more....i am a businesswoman to be..seems a good field..how do you become a private investor? is there a degree that you need..a software?

( my husband is asking: are you a daytrader/ short term trader/ are you in the stock market/ what type of investment do you do.....did you got trained somewhere ( where?) or teach yourself?..

I am serious... my husband and i have idea of businesses not related at all to pharmacy and plan on using my salary and good standing with banks....to get the business really started...for now it is just a project...n 👍 o money, no green card, no loan..but one day..it will all come....and we'll start....we won't rest until we become millionaire!!!!

many questions..feel free to PM me...
 
insipid1979 said:
What do you mean by "private investor"?

Do you invest other peoples money? Or are you investing the money you made working that one year?

Both really. That first year I saved a bunch since I lived like I was when I was a student and I had amassed a lil fotune while in school from the nasdaq haydays of the late 90s (got out by luck and missed the crash of 00). I then started investing heavily all that I made and all my friends wanted in, word got out and I started managing others money and taking commissions. I now no longer do that since I dont need others money to have leverage.
 
So what was the reason you got out of pharmacy? Did you not like it? Did you get burned out after that first year?
 
GabonpharmD said:
yes please tell us more....i am a businesswoman to be..seems a good field..how do you become a private investor? is there a degree that you need..a software?

( my husband is asking: are you a daytrader/ short term trader/ are you in the stock market/ what type of investment do you do.....did you got trained somewhere ( where?) or teach yourself?..

I am serious... my husband and i have idea of businesses not related at all to pharmacy and plan on using my salary and good standing with banks....to get the business really started...for now it is just a project...n 👍 o money, no green card, no loan..but one day..it will all come....and we'll start....we won't rest until we become millionaire!!!!

many questions..feel free to PM me...

Youre in the right place, the US, land of opportunity 🙂

Here are a few things to play with and you can either ask me more here or simply PM me for any advice...
As far as the market goes, its very simple, are you able to beat an index? if you cant beat an index, then you have no business doing your own investing. One problem with day trading or any trading for that matter is that there are people who do this for a living, and its going to be hard for you to beat those people. Dont buy any softwares, and dont go to any eductional symposiums, its a waste of time. I started trading at 18 and I still learn something new everyday. If youre going to take anything from what I say, its this, dont do penny stock and ALWAYS do your research. Learn to read quarterly reports and read everything you can about everything. I myself read approximately 4 hours a day, its a past time for me to do stocks, My livelihood doesnt depends on it. Besides that, remember that stocks are short term gains (if hold the stock for less than a year) and so it has a high tax bracket.
Oh and one more thing... listening to crap like bloomberg or msn money is a waste of time and never act on those advice the so called 'experts' give you, its a gimmick to run stocks up so others can sell, its pathetic, but then again, its capitalism 🙂
Everytime you buy a stock thinking that its a good buy, remember that someone is selling it (so you can buy) and so someone is thinking that its a good point to exit, so the question is who is right? 🙂

As far as investors go, I learned all I know from my dad, hes an entrepeneur. Basically you need money to money. You can do this several ways.
With significant capital you can fund peoples' projects and in turn take a portion of profits plus an ownership stake with a clause for them to buy you out when they have enough cash handy. Its very easy to make money on winning ideas with other peoples efforts. banks dont fund or loan people whose ideas they dont understand and thats how you come in. Only drawback is that you need to have cash and be willing to risk it.

Its sweet when it works and hurts when it fails. No one can ever give you a 100% return rate of anything thats very sure, afterall, the younger you are the riskier your strategies should be. The more you can lose and recover.
Ive risked everything and Ive gained a lot.

One thing is for sure though, once you get over the fear of going out on your own, the rewards are amazing. Like my dad use to say, you can never get rich off of paychecks.
 
insipid1979 said:
So what was the reason you got out of pharmacy? Did you not like it? Did you get burned out after that first year?

Well, I was really good in school, Rho Chi, Cum Laude, and all that while working 30ish hour weeks the whole way through. I have to add that I attended a weak school, yet the boards or nothing after graduation ever challenged me the way I wanted to be challenged. Simply, it wasnt for me.
 
Vahshi said:
Well, I was really good in school, Rho Chi, Cum Laude, and all that while working 30ish hour weeks the whole way through. I have to add that I attended a weak school, yet the boards or nothing after graduation ever challenged me the way I wanted to be challenged. Simply, it wasnt for me.


Did you realize it just wasn't for you during school or after? I am about to start my last year of rotations and just feel like I have nothing left for pharmacy. My drive, ambition, and energy is all gone.
 
htyotispharm said:
Did you realize it just wasn't for you during school or after? I am about to start my last year of rotations and just feel like I have nothing left for pharmacy. My drive, ambition, and energy is all gone.

Thats exactly how I felt, however I kept telling myself that great things lie ahead once I graduate, and I was very disappointed once I was there. So instead of going into depression, I decided to change my life/career.

So far no one has replied to this thread with a similar issue, so I guess its not common for people to do this it seems. I can see why most people would assume that they have invested so much time and effort into getting this degree that leaving it behind for something else seems unfathomable. For me, life is too short to do something that would be anything less than amazing and pharmacy wasnt it (again, for me).
To each his/her own, I guess 🙂
 
Yes, "life is too short to do something that would be anything less than amazing". That's why I left a career that left me emotionally empty and seriously questioning my reason for existence. Since then I have been busting my ass for this new one - pharmacy.

Good luck with your newfound purpose. Is your Amway sales pitch coming soon?
 
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Vahshi said:
After graduation, I worked 70-80 hour weeks for 1 year, then quit pharmacy all together and am currently a private investor and what some call an angel,

Forget the private investor part...how do you get to become an angel.
 
Just curious:
Does "vahshi" mean wild?
 
twester said:
Yes, "life is too short to do something that would be anything less than amazing". That's why I left a career that left me emotionally empty and seriously questioning my reason for existence. Since then I have been busting my ass for this new one - pharmacy.

Good luck with your newfound purpose. Is your Amway sales pitch coming soon?

Good for you, good luck with your new found career and your Amway endeavors.
 
imperial frog said:
Forget the private investor part...how do you get to become an angel.

Well, once your net worth exceeds 1 mil and/or you have an annual income of over 300k (dont quote me on this). You can register with the IRS, and that way becoming an investor in any start up will make it a whole lot easier. What you need to remember is that you are only funding projects that require a capitalization of under 1 million, and so you dont compete with venture capitalist firms ( they usually fund much bigger projects), instead you become a venture capitalist, yourself. I hope that answered your question.
 
minoos said:
Just curious:
Does "vahshi" mean wild?

Sort of how Minoo (without the s) means heaven?
 
So if you are not a pharmacist, why are you on this board? Don't multimillionaires have something better to do with their time? Don't you have a yacht or something? Why would anyone care about how much money you supposedly have?

I think you are a troll. Go find validation somewhere else.
 
kkelloww said:
So if you are not a pharmacist, why are you on this board?
I am/was a pharmacist.
kkelloww said:
Don't multimillionaires have something better to do with their time? Don't you have a yacht or something? Why would anyone care about how much money you supposedly have?
You obviously watch too much TV.
kkelloww said:
I think you are a troll. Go find validation somewhere else.
What you think of me and in turn, what I think of you and your post is utterly irrelevant.
 
kkelloww said:
So if you are not a pharmacist, why are you on this board? Don't multimillionaires have something better to do with their time? Don't you have a yacht or something? Why would anyone care about how much money you supposedly have?

I think you are a troll. Go find validation somewhere else.

Exactly. I wonder how some people actually believe this clown 😴
 
Well I do believe him, unless he starts trying to sell us some product of any type.. :laugh:

so far it all seems a normal conversation...maybe i haven't been around long enough to recognize a troll...but so far so good.. 😛

he is just answering questions from some of us...and he has not bragged anywhere about his income..just telling some IRS rules.....

he has been a pharmacist and life down the road lead him to a different path...i am glad to see somebody come and share such unusual experience..could happen to any of us....life is so long...

I heard many stories of people "gifted" with As go to what society expected such people to do..be brillant at school..be doctor..be pharmacist..and so on....and one day wake up and realise that it was just not for them....and since he has done pharmacy in his other life..that gives him the right to be here and talk about it..and wonder who else felt like him down the road...

All this might be" out of the box" but it does not make it a troll...

I will advise people that are unconfortable talking about money..not to read this tread..money is part of life...having a lot, some or none is not a sin nor does it makes you somebody not worth listening to ( or reading)....

like the grades part..what's wrong with graduating CUM L...and saying so....be proud of what you are in life..don't be mad at people for beeing what they are....be mature!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Again, I believe people honesty until they give me reason to believe otherwise...
 
I got the impression that it was a "her"...
 
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Vahshi said:
Well, once your net worth exceeds 1 mil and/or you have an annual income of over 300k (dont quote me on this). You can register with the IRS, and that way becoming an investor in any start up will make it a whole lot easier. What you need to remember is that you are only funding projects that require a capitalization of under 1 million, and so you dont compete with venture capitalist firms ( they usually fund much bigger projects), instead you become a venture capitalist, yourself. I hope that answered your question.

Nope...not really. I don't think the IRS has anything to do with registering angels.
 
imperial frog said:
Nope...not really. I don't think the IRS has anything to do with registering angels.

I guess I misunderstood your question then, can you rephrase what you asked?
 
GabonpharmD said:
So who register Angels?

Angels dont register with anyone. If you wan, you can join certain investment groups as an angel to have a better exposure. However the entire IRS deal makes it easier for firms seeking investments to pick you over non registered angels, it makes the paper work a whole lot easier per se.
 
Vahshi said:
Angels dont register with anyone. If you wan, you can join certain investment groups as an angel to have a better exposure. However the entire IRS deal makes it easier for firms seeking investments to pick you over non registered angels, it makes the paper work a whole lot easier per se.

I want to know more about this IRS alliance with angels. Do I really have to have a specific net-worth to qualify? Isn't there something in the gospels about camels, rich men and the eye of a needle? Is this a faith-based initiative? Do you have wings?
 
Having a hard time differentiating poor wit from the real questions, so just to be on the safe side, here is a little more info...

To be an accredited investor as recognized by the SEC...

1. Any natural person whose individual net worth, or joint net worth with that person's spouse, at the time of his purchase exceeds $1,000,000; or, any natural person who had an individual income in excess of $200,000 in each of the two most recent years or joint income with that person's spouse in excess of $300,000 in each of those years and has a reasonable expectation of reaching the same income level in the current year; or
2. Any trust, with total assets in excess of $5,000,000, not formed for the specific purpose of acquiring the securities offered, whose purchase is directed by a person who has such knowledge and experience in financial and business matters that he is capable of evaluating the merits and risks of the prospective investment.

As used for this definition, the term "net worth" means the excess of total assets over total liabilities. For the purpose of determining a person's net worth, the principal residence owned by an individual should be valued at fair market value, including the cost of improvements, net of current encumbrances.

For more info http://www.sec.gov/answers/accred.htm
 
Vahshi said:
Having a hard time differentiating poor wit from the real questions,

Wow, it should be farily easy to separate the two...obviously anything with zombies is a real question.
 
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insipid1979 said:
I got the impression that it was a "her"...


That's funny... I thought it was a "he" but who knows?
It's hard to tell online.

For instance, I think you are a boy... but are you?
I'm still following you, hahahahaha! 🙂
 
All4MyDaughter said:
That's funny... I thought it was a "he" but who knows?
It's hard to tell online.

For instance, I think you are a boy... but are you?
I'm still following you, hahahahaha! 🙂

I didn't know this whole "angel" business was some financial classification thing. That is why I thought it was a "her"...because I don't know too many guys who would say they are an angel...

Also, whenever I hear about relatively new pharmacists (like under 40) I always automatically assume they are female subconsciously...
 
insipid1979 said:
Also, whenever I hear about relatively new pharmacists (like under 40) I always automatically assume they are female subconsciously...


That's a good point.

I still think YOU are male. I think there are a more males on SDN than you would find (percentage wise) in the average pharm school. Although that is certainly a non-scientific observation.
 
All4MyDaughter said:
That's a good point.

I still think YOU are male. I think there are a more males on SDN than you would find (percentage wise) in the average pharm school. Although that is certainly a non-scientific observation.

I think it is probably the same percentage wise as in pharmacy school. I think the male posters just stand out more... like Caverject, wvupharm2004(or something similar) and ultracet. I'm assuming they are all males...if they aren't...well then 😱
 
insipid1979 said:
I think it is probably the same percentage wise as in pharmacy school. I think the male posters just stand out more... like Caverject, wvupharm2004(or something similar) and ultracet. I'm assuming they are all males...if they aren't...well then 😱


Ultracet is a girl. I'm almost certain.
The other two are boys.
 
All4MyDaughter said:
Ultracet is a girl. I'm almost certain.
The other two are boys.

My whole worldview has just been shattered...
 
After pharm school, enjoy your life! That is it! It is a stable career with a license that no one can take away from you!

You will always have a $90K+ job there, and $100K in some areas of the country or with overtime.
 
All4MyDaughter said:
Mine will be too, if I find out YOU are a female.

Since I want to have your babies and all...

Why would it be shattered if you found out I was a female?

(i think we hijacked this thread)

cdpiano27 said:
After pharm school, enjoy your life! That is it! It is a stable career with a license that no one can take away from you!

You will always have a $90K+ job there, and $100K in some areas of the country or with overtime.

I like how everyone who is interested in pharmacy is so obsessed with money...
 
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All4MyDaughter said:
Totally jacked.

Because if you are female I can't have your babies, duh! 😀

I think that little version of you that you already have running around is bad enough 😛

The world doesn't need a hybrid of us. 😀
 
All4MyDaughter said:
Think of the arguments it could have with itself!

It would create a rip in the space-time continuum...
 
All4MyDaughter said:
Good thing we're a few hours apart from each other... no chance of creating a disturbance in The Force.

Eh... Kentucky could get swallowed up...I don't think anyone would mind :meanie:

Well...of course after 'Bob and John' wins the derby and I get my money 😉

I have to go to sleep now...I have my last physiology lab exam tomorrow. It is on the female reproductive system...I don't think I will have to worry about studying too much about that. (now would I say that because I am female...or because I am not female?....ponder about it 😀 )
 
insipid1979 said:
Eh... Kentucky could get swallowed up...I don't think anyone would mind :meanie:

Well...of course after 'Bob and John' wins the derby and I get my money 😉

I have to go to sleep now...I have my last physiology lab exam tomorrow. It is on the female reproductive system...I don't think I will have to worry about studying too much about that. (now would I say that because I am female...or because I am not female?....ponder about it 😀 )


Good luck on your exam!
 
This is all really interesting to me. I know that angel investors are private investors, and help fund people with start up businesses/projects. When there is enough traction in the business, and it requires more capital to fund growth, then these people can often seek out venture capitalists. I also hear that getting financing through angel investors is like signing a pact with the devil; you ultimately lose out on a lot with payback and percentage of profits.

I'm quite curious, because i'm at a similiar crossroad in my life. I'm "stuck" in the I/T industry, and have absolutely no passion for it. I know this isn't something I want to do with my life. I used to be a math/chem major, and pre-med as well, graduated at the top 1% of my undergrad class, summa cum laude, AND inducted into Phi Beta Kappa. I was on my way to a career in health care, when I hijacked myself into the dot-com boom. I'm still employed in the rat race, make 100k+/year, and still feel very unfulfilled. I don't know why i'm posting this, but, I guess it's for self therapy. I was thinking about switching careers, and going into either pharmacy school, or business school. I realized going to pharmacy would ultimately cost me a lot of money, and may put me in another profession I don't really care for, whereas business school would not cost me anything (employer pays for it), but I end up with another useless degree. My real passion in life has always been investing, capitalism, and entrepreneur-ship.

I see a lot of similiarities between you and me. My dad was an entrepreneur, and did it on his own. He came to this country broke, without any knowledge of the English language, and was able to start four different and successful businesses on his own. I've always wanted to follow in his steps, but I don't have his kind of cajones to do it. I ended up looking for the "safe" path in life.

Vahshi, I think what you're doing is awesome. Much props to you. It's given me some hope to try my ideas out on my own too. I was thinking about going through a similiar route: keeping my little horde of money, investing it, and within another 7-8 years, have a million in liquid capital to go out and try it on my own too. Pharmacy school, although it probably would have been a much better career option than what I am in now (whose to say, really), is no longer a value proposition. I would lose out on over half a million in cashflow if I did go to pharmacy school (100k for schooling, 400k in lost income). Also, I would be studying my ass off too. I guess the best option is to work hard, save dough, invest like crazy, and start laying the ground work for my ideas that i've been working on.

Vahshi, could I ask you for some advice on what I should look out for when going to investors for private capital funding? I just don't want to make mistakes in my first outting.

Thanks!
 
MSG said:
This is all really interesting to me. I know that angel investors are private investors, and help fund people with start up businesses/projects. When there is enough traction in the business, and it requires more capital to fund growth, then these people can often seek out venture capitalists. I also hear that getting financing through angel investors is like signing a pact with the devil; you ultimately lose out on a lot with payback and percentage of profits.

I'm quite curious, because i'm at a similiar crossroad in my life. I'm "stuck" in the I/T industry, and have absolutely no passion for it. I know this isn't something I want to do with my life. I used to be a math/chem major, and pre-med as well, graduated at the top 1% of my undergrad class, summa cum laude, AND inducted into Phi Beta Kappa. I was on my way to a career in health care, when I hijacked myself into the dot-com boom. I'm still employed in the rat race, make 100k+/year, and still feel very unfulfilled. I don't know why i'm posting this, but, I guess it's for self therapy. I was thinking about switching careers, and going into either pharmacy school, or business school. I realized going to pharmacy would ultimately cost me a lot of money, and may put me in another profession I don't really care for, whereas business school would not cost me anything (employer pays for it), but I end up with another useless degree. My real passion in life has always been investing, capitalism, and entrepreneur-ship.

Vahshi, could I ask you for some advice on what I should look out for when going to investors for private capital funding? I just don't want to make mistakes in my first outting.

Thanks!


euh..yes please stay away from the pharmacy field...it's one thing..to realise a mistake down the road..it's another one to come here and claim how useless will be a pharmD for you..but since you can afford it...you are thinking about it... 😴 😴 and 😴 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

are u trying to get this thread closed for "trollism"? keep up the good work
 
GabonpharmD said:
euh..yes please stay away from the pharmacy field...it's one thing..to realise a mistake down the road..it's another one to come here and claim how useless will be a pharmD for you..but since you can afford it...you are thinking about it... 😴 😴 and 😴 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

are u trying to get this thread closed for "trollism"? keep up the good work

I didn't mean to say PharmD would be useless, when I said if I got an MBA, I might end up with another useless degree. I think having a PharmD is one of the most useful degrees, since it puts you in a profession vs. a general degree like math/chemistry. If I could do things over again, I would have went the 2+4 year pharmacy route, instead of math/chemistry.
 
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