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I was told by a friend that Dr. Gernsheimer is no longer the PD at the Lincoln program (NY). Anyone with any info about the new PD or any other changes at that progam?

thanks
 
Gernsheimer is now an attending at King's County. Word 'round the campfire is that the Lincoln program is imploding, I know of a number of other attendings that have left or are leaving that program
 
Gernsheimer is still at Lincoln he has not left yet. There is a new PD that has started.
 
I also heard he just took a job at Kings County. If he hasent left he will soon.
 
According to the ACGME website the new PD is Dr. Matthew Lurin, who I believe was at St. Lukes-Roosevelt. Don't know about any other changes or any "implosion".
The change makes sense because of the number of Lincoln trained attendings at Downstate
 
Anybody from Lincoln here that can update us on the status of the program. The "word" is that they will not receive RRC accredidation at their next review. Not sure who, if anybody, would know this anyway?
 
Anybody from Lincoln here that can update us on the status of the program. The "word" is that they will not receive RRC accredidation at their next review. Not sure who, if anybody, would know this anyway?

I spoke with a number of residents from Lincoln at ACEP, and the program is definitely not imploding.
 
Anybody from Lincoln here that can update us on the status of the program. The "word" is that they will not receive RRC accredidation at their next review. Not sure who, if anybody, would know this anyway?

Have no personal information or insight in this. Just want to say that "the word" is most often uniinformed gossip, particularly about RRC actions.
 
Also, this from public info portion of acgme web site. Given that they have continued full accreditation, even if things are bad, worse that can happen is probation, not withdrawal.

Original Accreditation Date: July 1, 1982
Accreditation Status: Continued Full Accreditation
Accreditation Effective Date: February 18, 2005
Accredited Program Length: 3 years

Program Format: Standard

Last Site Visit Date: June 15, 2004
Cycle Length: 2.5 years
Scheduled Date of Next Site Visit: December 20, 2007
 
Okay, lets say things do go "worse" and this December they go on probation. And, for arguments sake, things do not improve. How long before they would be withdrawn? If we were to match there for 2008, would we be cleared to finish the residency, or would ww have another King/Drew on our hands?
 
Okay, lets say things do go "worse" and this December they go on probation. And, for arguments sake, things do not improve. How long before they would be withdrawn? If we were to match there for 2008, would we be cleared to finish the residency, or would ww have another King/Drew on our hands?

To be fair, the RRC never closed King/Drew, in fact we were never on probation.

Once the RRC places a program on probation, they will give the program a list of deficiencies that need to be corrected. Depending on the type of deficiencies, the RRC can return for a vist in 6 months to a year. The RRC will not close down a program in the middle of the year, and typically the seniors are allowed to graduate, while everyone else will finish out the year.
 
To be fair, the RRC never closed King/Drew, in fact we were never on probation.

Once the RRC places a program on probation, they will give the program a list of deficiencies that need to be corrected. Depending on the type of deficiencies, the RRC can return for a vist in 6 months to a year. The RRC will not close down a program in the middle of the year, and typically the seniors are allowed to graduate, while everyone else will finish out the year.

Further, the next step after probation is withdrawal proposed, then there can be appeals etc. Anybody matching to an accredited 3 year program will probably get through before the final boom falls.

And again, there is no evidence that Lincoln is in trouble.
 
Further, the next step after probation is withdrawal proposed, then there can be appeals etc. Anybody matching to an accredited 3 year program will probably get through before the final boom falls.

And again, there is no evidence that Lincoln is in trouble.


I think that this rumor circulates about a different program every year.
 
Currently at Lincoln, and it is not a King/Drew. Gernsheimer left in September, the new PD started last June.
 
Currently at Lincoln, and it is not a King/Drew. Gernsheimer left in September, the new PD started last June.


i know of at least two faculty that left lincoln recently. and these weren't just ur average joe attending. one was i think was anresearch director and the other was the pediatric EM fellowship director.
 
Currently at Lincoln, and it is not a King/Drew. Gernsheimer left in September, the new PD started last June.

Well, how is the new PD?
 
The research director is now at North Shore, not sure about anyone else. The current PD trained at NYU, asst PD trained at Jacobi. In terms of attendings, you have to remember Gernsheimer was there for 30 yrs and there was a lot of loyalty there, a lot of people trained under him and I would have expected for people to leave when he left. I am curious about the accredidation issue and the overall status of the program, we'll have to wait for someone with more info, or at least someone that interviews there.
 
From what I have learned, Gernsheimer left because he did not agree with the way the hospital bigwigs were running the place and didn't want to just be a "yes man" and do it their way. Once he left, the people that were loyal to him that worked with him for years left as well.
 
I've heard that the Lincon program is in trouble, and that's why Dr.G left to come to King's County. Huge loss for that program.
 
Wow! Alot of rumors are flying. Dr. G did not want to leave Lincoln. Lincoln does not have a pediatric fellowship, and the associate director is a North shore.

The program is not in danger of closing.

Dr. Lurin, is not a Dr. G, but he is doing his best to make sure that we as resident are educated and ready to become attending.
 
Wow! Alot of rumors are flying. Dr. G did not want to leave Lincoln. Lincoln does not have a pediatric fellowship, and the associate director is a North shore.

The program is not in danger of closing.

Dr. Lurin, is not a Dr. G, but he is doing his best to make sure that we as resident are educated and ready to become attending.

Thanks for pointing out the above. It is amazing how rumors fly in a RRC year.

Gernsheimer was PD for over 30 years and during that time saw many changes to the hospital. Like any county facility, politics are rampant and some in the administration took issue with Gernsheimer. Gernsheimer was not a fighter (contrary to the above comment about him not being a yes man). In fact he is know by most to be the nicest guy in Emergency Medicine. The first thing he told me when I started was "It is nice to be important but it is important to be nice". That summed him up. He wouldn't fight the administration. He wasn't particularly adept at politics. The previous chair who had protected him had resigned and been replaced by a weaker dept chair. Therefore he was a easy target to the vicious administration that this kind of place breeds. The dumbest thing they could ever do was asking him to step down but in my opinion this hospital's administration and HHC in general is not the epitome of enlightened thinking. He did not leave by choice. He was forced to leave.

The new PD is a nice enough guy but nobody is going to replace Gernsheimer in my book. He is also fairly politically savvy so he probably will fair better. He has some good plans and insight and is trying hard to make improvements where they can be made. There is talk of possibly switching to a 1-4 and changes being made to the rotations but nothing will be worked on till after the RRC.

Many of the people who left were already considering it but stayed for Gernsheimer. Lincoln is a hard place to work for both resident and attending. Much like there being a change in residents every three years there is a rolling attendence of different attendings. There are a few die hards that are either insane or incredibly dedicated to the South Bronx (my vote is for the former). There is a never ending line of trauma, sick patients and crap that you are continually wading in. You have more staff now than previously but most of your nurses are young and inexperienced and the ones with experience are battle hardened and likely to chew your head off if you approach them wrong till you have earned their respect. You have to deal with resus after resus while trying to juggle this chart rack that never empties. People have always came and gone from Lincoln and now is no change. There are some new faces and some old. Some of the people that left have told me they miss the place, they miss the accuity and some are starting to moonlight a shift here and there to get back in the action, so who knows what the future is. The only thing that is a guarentee is that there will continue to be a ton of sick patients in the south bronx.

As to the RRC, the PIF is completed and we are reviewed on the 29th of this month so we shall see. I fail to see in glaring problems with it. Working too hard (in the name of education and without violating the Bell comission or working for service over education) and seeing too much is not a RRC violation as far as I know.

Finally as the above person stated, the previous PD and a good friend left to go to North Shore in hope of starting a sports medicine fellowship. The previous research director went to NY Hosp Queens and the only Ped EM attending to leave was most definately not the Ped EM fellowship director (as we have none).

I hope this answers some questions for the applicants and stops some of the rumor mill for everybody else.
 
Haven't had a chance to come by as often but just saw a thread titled lincoln so thought i'd chime in haha. Seems like all the rumors have been answered, unless peopel come up with newer rumors hah. so I guess i dont really have anything to chime in but to just say the patients just keep coming here no matter who the attendings are haha, so doesnt really matter too much in the training...
 
I mean, remember Jack Bauer is here...
 
thanks guys...please update us once the review is done if you can, just to confirm.
 
Any updates?

What do you want to know? The RRC visit went well. There are some changes in the curriculum for next year. We are going to a 28 day schedule instead of a monthly schedule and starting a one block orientation for all incoming PGY2s. Lots of new attendings and new ones coming. It is still the same high volume county experience that it has always been.
 
same here, if anyone has any questions they'd like to PM me, just go ahead, I check this every 2-3 days or so
 
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