List for CA residents

[nick_carraway]

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With all the CA residents on SDN, I figure that we can all help each other out by coming up with lists of public schools that are reasonably friendly to OOS students--especially CA residents.

You're encouraged to post your own personal list of schools to which you're applying or just drop suggestions based on hearsay.

You can even post your standards for deciding (such as an OOS interview rate of >8%).

I'll go ahead and start with SUNYs and U. of Vermont from hearsay.

A previous thread with a similar goal degenerated into a shouting match so I hope that this one does better!

 

[BigRedPremed]

My list is in my mdapplicants profile (although I tend to pick schools with high interview/acceptance ratios rather than high interview rates). Is there any reason why this post is targeted towards CA residents in particular?

 

[nick_carraway]

I wanted this thread for CA residents since [1] I'm a CA resident and [2] I think that CA residents are the least able to rely on their in-state school for an acceptance compared to applicants in other states.

 

[Arc]

OOS? Thats Out State right?
I guess I'll refer to this thread in a year or 2. (Im a freshman)

 

[10Blade]

I wanted this thread for CA residents since [1] I'm a CA resident and [2] I think that CA residents are the least able to rely on their in-state school for an acceptance compared to applicants in other states.

Forgive me if these are newbie questions:

Are CA med schools more competitive? How are CA residents at a disadvantage?

 

[nick_carraway]

Forgive me if these are newbie questions:

Are CA med schools more competitive? How are CA residents at a disadvantage?

CA med schools are more competitive since a lot of OOS applicants want to go to schools in CA for the weather and for the prestige and a lot of CA residents want to stay in CA for the discount on tuition. Even without considering OOS applicants, CA has such a large population that there are tons of in-state applicants applying for a relatively small number of spots. Therefore unlike applicants from other states who can rely their own schools for a reasonable chance of admission, CA residents have to apply to other states since it's so hard to get in at home. Since most state schools limit enrollment to their own residents and thus exclude CA residents, CA applicants also have a hard time getting in OOS.

Certainly this problem isn't limited to CA residents alone--I'm sure NY residents have an equally hard time.

Hopefully I explained this reasonably well. It's late and I don't really know what I just typed!

 

[nick_carraway]

OOS? Thats Out State right?
I guess I'll refer to this thread in a year or 2. (Im a freshman)

Yep! Good guess on OOS.

 

[SaveThisLabRat]

CA has the highest number of pre-meds than any other state =( Plus there are an extraordinary amount of 4.0 students. The competition is too much.

I just realized that I spend so much of my time in these pre-med forums, even though I'm pre-pharm.

 

[10Blade]

CA med schools are more competitive since a lot of OOS applicants want to go to schools in CA for the weather and for the prestige and a lot of CA residents want to stay in CA for the discount on tuition. Even without considering OOS applicants, CA has such a large population that there are tons of in-state applicants applying for a relatively small number of spots. Therefore unlike applicants from other states who can rely their own schools for a reasonable chance of admission, CA residents have to apply to other states since it's so hard to get in at home. Since most state schools limit enrollment to their own residents and thus exclude CA residents, CA applicants also have a hard time getting in OOS.

Certainly this problem isn't limited to CA residents alone--I'm sure NY residents have an equally hard time.

Hopefully I explained this reasonably well. It's late and I don't really know what I just typed!

CA has the highest number of pre-meds than any other state =( Plus there are an extraordinary amount of 4.0 students. The competition is too much.

I just realized that I spend so much of my time in these pre-med forums, even though I'm pre-pharm.

ecking and SaveThisLabRat: I appreciate your inputs- even though the information casts some gray clouds for me. While I am a CA resident, I don't have a 4.0 which means competition is stiff. Good luck to you guys!

 

[Old ortho]

With all the CA residents on SDN, I figure that we can all help each other out by coming up with lists of public schools that are reasonably friendly to OOS students--especially CA residents.

You're encouraged to post your own personal list of schools to which you're applying or just drop suggestions based on hearsay.

You can even post your standards for deciding (such as an OOS interview rate of >8%).

I'll go ahead and start with SUNYs and U. of Vermont from hearsay.

A previous thread with a similar goal degenerated into a shouting match so I hope that this one does better!

Get the MSAR and it has all the latest info on all U S med schools acceptances.

 

[go lakers]

i'll bite

NYMC
Rosalind Franklin
Drexel
George Washington

 

[nick_carraway]

Get the MSAR and it has all the latest info on all U S med schools acceptances.

Well part of the problem is that going through the 07 MSAR still yields 50+ schools with a reasonable > 8% interview rate for OOS. I figure the number who look favorably at CA residents can't possibly be that high--especially the public universities--so I want to get a feel for what the better shots are based on hearsay, experience, other metrics besides interview percentages.

 

[nick_carraway]

ecking and SaveThisLabRat: I appreciate your inputs- even though the information casts some gray clouds for me. While I am a CA resident, I don't have a 4.0 which means competition is stiff. Good luck to you guys!

Haha I don't nearly have a 4.0 as well. I don't mean to depress you--although I guess it is kinda depressing now that I think about it. Being a resident in any state has its problems and it's hard no matter where you are.

Good luck to you too when the time comes!

 

[PunjabiCurry]

Forgive me if these are newbie questions:

Are CA med schools more competitive? How are CA residents at a disadvantage?

 

[Old ortho]

i'll bite

NYMC
Rosalind Franklin
Drexel
George Washington

That is good list. I'll add:

Albany Medical College
Georgetown

 

[paranoid_eyes]

That is good list. I'll add:

Albany Medical College
Georgetown

those aren't public schools, but they are very california friendly 👍

 

[chandelantern]

Are we just talking PUBLIC schools like the OP suggested? If we include privates I'll add to the list:

MCW
Dartmouth
Loyola
Tulane
Creighton
Boston University
Northwestern
U of Chicago
NYU
Penn State

Most of this list I mentally compiled after being a peer advisor and seeing where UCD applicants got interviews/acceptances at. It is in no way complete and I would definitely include the schools that have already been mentioned above.

 

[PunjabiCurry]

Are we just talking PUBLIC schools like the OP suggested? If we include privates I'll add to the list:

MCW
Dartmouth
Loyola
Tulane
Creighton
Boston University
Northwestern
U of Chicago
NYU
Penn State

Most of this list I mentally compiled after being a peer advisor and seeing where UCD applicants got interviews/acceptances at. It is in no way complete and I would definitely include the schools that have already been mentioned above.

Some of those schools have high MCAT/GPA average. It would be better for the OP to take chance on some "lower-UC" like UC Davis than Northwestern, NYU, Dartmouth, Boston U, etc

 

[GoinBack2Cali?]

UCLA
UCSD
UCSF
Stanford
Hopkins
Harvard
Yale
NYU

 

[remo]

With all the CA residents on SDN, I figure that we can all help each other out by coming up with lists of public schools that are reasonably friendly to OOS students--especially CA residents.

You're encouraged to post your own personal list of schools to which you're applying or just drop suggestions based on hearsay.

You can even post your standards for deciding (such as an OOS interview rate of >8%).

I'll go ahead and start with SUNYs and U. of Vermont from hearsay.

A previous thread with a similar goal degenerated into a shouting match so I hope that this one does better!

Univ of Cincinnati because they take a lot of OOS students and you can get in state tuition after the first year! Almost no other public school offers this.

Vermont is nice but you're gonna be paying like $45K a year for all 4 years.

 

[nick_carraway]

Univ of Cincinnati because they take a lot of OOS students and you can get in state tuition after the first year! Almost no other public school offers this.

Vermont is nice but you're gonna be paying like $45K a year for all 4 years.

Ooo nice! Thanks for the info.

 

[RokChalkJayhawk]

UCLA
UCSD
UCSF
Stanford
Hopkins
Harvard
Yale
NYU

1 of the 8 schools above is a helpful addition to the list. Guess which one?

 

[GoinBack2Cali?]

1 of the 8 schools above is a helpful addition to the list. Guess which one?

????
That list rocks 👍

 

[RokChalkJayhawk]

????
That list rocks 👍

Well- I guess looking back they all are kind to OOS residents. But I thought the intention was to create a list of schools helpful to CA applicants. Obviously the UCs are gonna like CA residents. I guess just a brain fart on both of our parts. 🙄

 

[whosinthebunker]

does anyone know anything about Ohio State/Oregon Health and Science and their friendliness to CA residents?

One of the Ohio State admissions officers came by and he was saying that they have a pretty big class (about 200) and so they accept more OOS students than most.

*shrug* Or I could have made this up to make myself feel better...

 

[nick_carraway]

does anyone know anything about Ohio State/Oregon Health and Science and their friendliness to CA residents?

One of the Ohio State admissions officers came by and he was saying that they have a pretty big class (about 200) and so they accept more OOS students than most.

*shrug* Or I could have made this up to make myself feel better...

Someone in another OOS thread said that Ohio schools are friendly to OOS applicants so you're probably right.

 

[10Blade]

The premed advisor at my school (UCR) suggested these:

Medical College of Wisconsin
New York Medical College
Drexel University
Rosalind Franklin
Loma Linda
All California Schools

Be careful, Loma Linda Univ. is a private SDA (Seventh-Day Adventist) institution. They give high preference to SDAs. However, if you read on their website, they do allow a certain number of non-SDAs. I don't know exactly how much (does anyone know?).

Quote from their website (http://www.llu.edu/llu/medicine/admissions.html):
(scroll down to Selection Criteria)

"The School of Medicine is owned and operated by the Seventh-day Adventist Church; therefore, preference for admission is given to members of the Church. However, it is a firm policy of the admissions committee to admit each year a number of non-church-related applicants who have demonstrated a commitment to Christian principles and are best suited for meeting the educational goals of the School."

I spoke to a Neurosurgeon who serves on the AdCom and he said that non-SDAs usually have highly competitive GPA and MCAT (figures which I didn't dare to ask).

I hope this helps someone out there.

 

[batman1983]

Im a CA resident, and applied late in this cycle to lots of schools. Luckily, I was able to get 4 interviews at the following:

Instate
1. UC Davis

Out of State
1. St. Louis
2. SUNY-Buffalo (U of B)
3. Drexel

 

[Arc]

UCLA
UCSD
UCSF
Stanford
Hopkins
Harvard
Yale
NYU

Exactly the list im applying to in a couple of years. And you missed UCD (Probably will open more spots), and I think UC Irvine is making a med school in the next year or two.

 

[alwaysaangel]

Exactly the list im applying to in a couple of years. And you missed UCD (Probably will open more spots), and I think UC Irvine is making a med school in the next year or two.

They're gonna make a med school???? REALLY??

What are they doing with the one they've already had for thirty years?

 

[cal_girl]

I'm a CA resident, applied for 07 cycle.
Schools which offer/accept me were
Rosalind Franklin
MCW
Wayne State
University of Toledo
SUNY upstate
University of Wisconsin (but i think this one is not friendly to OOS according to MSAR)
UIC

Of coz, apply to CA schools. If one got decent MCAT, GPA and a mixture of EC's, CA schools are friendly for that. Plus... they have high post interview admission rate too... 👍

 

[alok]

How are texas schools for CA residents?

Has anyone from CA gotten into Tx schools? Care to share your experience?

 

[Beckie1022]

I don't know the stats on Texas schools, but I can tell you my personal experience. I'm a CA resident and I applied to UT Houston, UT San Antonio and UT Southwestern (in Dallas). I was accepted at Houston and Southwestern and was offered an interview at San Antonio but didn't go. Texas has a statewide law that only 10% of med students can be from OOS, which I think scares a lot of people away. I was accepted to USC, am waitlisted at UCLA and have been rejected at all other CA schools (still on a pre-interview hold at UCI that seems pretty hopeless at this point).

Once I was accepted at UTSW, I didn't go to any more out of state interviews, but was offered them at NYMC, NYU, UIC, and Rush.

California medical schools are very good, but also incredibly competitive and EXPENSIVE (both tuition and cost of living). CA residents should definitely look outside the state when they apply and I would, based on my experience, recommend Texas. The TMDSAS (Texas's AMCAS) is not a lot of work and there are some great schools there.

Just my $.02

 

[Hallm_7]

All the Ohio public schools (with the possible exception of NEOUCOME b/c they are primarily a BA/MD program) are friendly to OOS. At Toledo we accept 35% of our class OOS. Cincy and OSU are the same way. I'm fairly certain Wright State would be like that well, but I'm not sure.

Toledo and Cincy have ~155 students/class
OSU has ~250 students/class
Wright State has ~100 students/class

At University of Toledo, California is the third most common state for students to come from after Ohio and Michigan. For my class we have 10-15 students from CA alone.

Ohio state law allows students to become in-state residents after one year of school, or if your spouse works then you are immediately elligble in most cases.

 

[tangledupinblue]

How are texas schools for CA residents?

Has anyone from CA gotten into Tx schools? Care to share your experience?

I'm a California resident and I applied to all the Texas schools. I interviewed at Houston and San Antonio. I have family in Texas and played that up on my application, so I think that helped a lot.

I was very impressed by the Texas schools and even better they are very affordable! I am currently planning on attending San Antonio (depending on wait list movement).

I will disagree though, the TMDSAS is quite a bit of work. It is not the most user friendly web page so it takes a long time to input everything. Also the personal statement has a different length (I think it is shorter than AMCAS).

 

[nick_carraway]

Someone in another thread posted this link to help get a feel for how competitive you are at certain schools. Certainly it comes with the disclaimer that it's not completely reliable but I agree with the other thread that it's at least fun to play around with:

http://www.studentdoc.com/medfind.html

 

[badasshairday]

Alright my fellow Californians, lets flood those Texas schools!

 

[nick_carraway]

Alright my fellow Californians, lets flood those Texas schools!

Yeah I'm starting to think about it too.

Are we really behind though since TMDSAS opened on May 1? My PS isn't even done.

 

[badasshairday]

Forgive me if these are newbie questions:

Are CA med schools more competitive? How are CA residents at a disadvantage?

Heh, look at the new MSAR. 3 out of 5 CA state medschools have an average MCAT of 35Q.

 

[badasshairday]

Yeah I'm starting to think about it too.

Are we really behind though since TMDSAS opened on May 1? My PS isn't even done.

**** man, I don't know. I guess we are. I won't even have my MCAT score until June 11.

 

[nick_carraway]

Heh, look at the new MSAR. 3 out of 5 CA state medschools have an average MCAT of 35Q.

Yeah that's sad. I blame all my MCAT woes on the CBT cuz it seems like the last paper/pencil MCAT scores are pretty freaking high. I think I'm gonna go for Texas anyway. I mean it'd be like verifying AMCAS in mid-to-late June which is what's gonna happen to me anyway with Spring grades.

 

[badasshairday]

Can we also make a list of schools not to apply to? Schools that are not so friendly to out of state students like us.

 

[alwaysaangel]

Yeah that's sad. I blame all my MCAT woes on the CBT cuz it seems like the last paper/pencil MCAT scores are pretty freaking high.

Its a scaled score, even if EVERYONE completely bombed an MCAT administration - the same number of 15s, 14s, 13s, etc will go out in each section.

 

[nick_carraway]

Its a scaled score, even if EVERYONE completely bombed an MCAT administration - the same number of 15s, 14s, 13s, etc will go out in each section.

No, the same proportion of people would get each score. With far fewer people that took the first CBT than the last paper/pencil exam, it means that more people who took the paper/pencil got a 13/14/15 as opposed to those MCATers in Jan.

 

[alwaysaangel]

No, the same proportion of people would get each score. With far fewer people that took the first CBT than the last paper/pencil exam, it means that more people who took the paper/pencil got a 13/14/15 as opposed to those MCATers in Jan.

Yes, but the average will still be the same. So to say that "the last paper/pencil MCAT scores are pretty freaking high" is pretty silly since they are no higher than the CBT ones. More people got 15s but more people also got 5s, and over this whole year of 22 CBT administrations approximately the same number of people will take the test (maybe slightly fewer because a lot of people scrambled to take the last paper test), and overall the same number of 15s, 14s, etc will be given out.

 

[badasshairday]

Yes, but the average will still be the same. So to say that "the last paper/pencil MCAT scores are pretty freaking high" is pretty silly since they are no higher than the CBT ones. More people got 15s but more people also got 5s, and over this whole year of 22 CBT administrations approximately the same number of people will take the test (maybe slightly fewer because a lot of people scrambled to take the last paper test), and overall the same number of 15s, 14s, etc will be given out.

Lol, scrambling to take an 8 hour exam!. Isn't that funny that people scrambled to take the last pencil paper test. At first I was worried about the CBT because I just wasn't use to taking tests on computers. Now I realize that I am so glad I am taking the CBT over the pencil paper exam because it is so much shorter.

 

[alwaysaangel]

Lol, scrambling to take an 8 hour exam!. Isn't that funny that people scrambled to take the last pencil paper test. At first I was worried about the CBT because I just wasn't use to taking tests on computers. Now I realize that I am so glad I am taking the CBT over the pencil paper exam because it is so much shorter.

Yeah the shorter is good, plus the terribly difficult questions are gone (but so are the terribly easy ones). It really depends on the person, I prefer paper/pencil (though I took it LONG before the last one) because it hurts my eyes to stare at a computer for so long. But I guess for some people its better. Overall the length is DEFINITELY nicer - I proctor it all the time and 5 hrs isn't bad at all.

 

[notdeadyet]

Lol, scrambling to take an 8 hour exam!. Isn't that funny that people scrambled to take the last pencil paper test. At first I was worried about the CBT because I just wasn't use to taking tests on computers. Now I realize that I am so glad I am taking the CBT over the pencil paper exam because it is so much shorter.

It's a matter of preference. Lots of students took Kaplan and Princeton Review prep courses. All of their strategies were built around taking the paper and pencil test, so taking the first CBT with the prep companies first hack at strategy would have been a big risk for lots of those folks. Same with those who spent lots of months practicing on the paper and pencil tests.

 

[Shpamme]

i'll add michigan state, just judging from match lists for previous years (admissions office told me most cali students went back to ca) and the number of cali students in the first year class that the admissions office was able to refer me to..

 

[McLicky]

how many times do we need to cover this?
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=408439