List of schools without AOA.

[puahate]

Methodology:
I looked on the AOA chapter page and cross-referenced to schools for each state on MSAR. If I saw a school in MSAR not in the AOA chapter page I did a google search that included the school's name with the phrase "AOA" and "Alpha Omega Alpha"

If the google search result did not show me anything about an AOA chapter on the school's official site I added it to the list.
Currently, these are the schools I don't see w/ an AOA chapter according to the chapter webpage and could not readily find info on AOA on their school site.

Harvard
Stanford
Yale
UCSD
Mayo
California Northstate University College of Medicine
California University of Science and Medicine-School of Medicine
University of California, Riverside School of Medicine
Frank H. Netter MD School of Medicine at Quinnipiac University
Nova Southeastern University Dr. Kiran C. Patel College of Allopathic Medicine
Carle Illinois College of Medicine
Central Michigan University College of Medicine
CUNY School of Medicine
San Juan Bautista School of Medicine
Mt Sinai (Recent change?)

If this list is wrong please correct me. I have been trying to find a comprehensive list of non-AOA schools and this is the best I could do with the info I have at my disposal. If any medical student can confirm or deny that would be greatly appreciated.

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[Phoebus Apollo]

I think Mt Sinai doesn’t have AOA either

 

[puahate]

I think Mt Sinai doesn’t have AOA either

I heard news about that but they still are on the chapter listing. hmmm

 

[Phoebus Apollo]

I heard news about that but they still are on the chapter listing. hmmm

yeah i think it was super recent — like last year they made the decision. (A current student told me this past cycle)

 

[efle]

Should note that having AOA might not actually matter, either. Hopkins has AOA but doesn't award it until after the match, so that nobody can worry about achieving it for their ERAS and residency directors can't use it for comparison at all. Prevents having any kind of competitiveness over it.

 

[puahate]

Should note that having AOA might not actually matter, either. Hopkins has AOA but doesn't award it until after the match, so that nobody can worry about achieving it for their ERAS and residency directors can't use it for comparison at all. Prevents having any kind of competitiveness over it.

Wish this info was readily available. Would have to crowdsource that info.

 

[Lucca]

Wish this info was readily available. Would have to crowdsource that info.

imo it's not something to rly consider until you are ready to make decisions between schools (i.e. I dont think it should factor into where you apply) and it will be super easy to find out on the interview day or afterwards from current students / staff.

 

[puahate]

imo it's not something to rly consider until you are ready to make decisions between schools (i.e. I dont think it should factor into where you apply) and it will be super easy to find out on the interview day or afterwards from current students / staff.

I agree with the timing of when this would matter. I guess it's convenient to know up front. For me not having AOA or having it be a small part of the medical experience is something i am looking for personally.

I noticed others were looking for a list like this but it was never complete so i might as well put one together.

Hopefully others search this list and use it as a launching pad to investigate AOA policies at thier institution.

 

[Gilakend]

Do residency directors care about AOA that much?

Like is it more like it helps or is it a “need” for competitive specialties like ortho, ent, etc.

 

[puahate]

Seems like there's mixed opinions. Some do some don't. But there's obviously going to be a confounding variables here. Most people that get into these competitive specialties have high everything so they would most likely be AOA regardless.

Do residency directors care about AOA that much?

Like is it more like it helps or is it a “need” for competitive specialties like ortho, ent, etc.

 

[Lucca]

Do residency directors care about AOA that much?

Like is it more like it helps or is it a “need” for competitive specialties like ortho, ent, etc.

The more competitive something or somewhere is the more it matters, as if with everything else, most likely.

 

[puahate]

Wow you'd put Mayo in that group with those two? Damn i thought Mayo had some clout to it's name.

One interesting note is that some residency PD's in competitive specialties don't bother sending apps to people without AOA. Likely doesn't make a difference for Harvard, Stanford, or Yale. But for Sinai, UCSD, Mayo - people may miss out on a few (pretentious) programs by not having AOA.

 

[efle]

Wow you'd put Mayo in that group with those two? Damn i thought Mayo had some clout to it's name.

I think it's kind of like the transition to Pass/Fail grading. The only places that can feel safe setting that precedent are the untouchables - Harvard and Stanford know their students will kill it even without having a class rank. Then it starts catching on and becomes popular with dozens of schools, like now I believe every member of the top 20 has Pass/Fail preclinical.