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For a manuscripts under review, should I list the name of the journal that it was submitted to on my CV and in my personal statement?
listing name of journal for manuscripts under review
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I recommend NO. My reason for this is that the journal name should not be associated with your work until they have actually accepted it.
You could see how this could play out. Postdoc student X is on the job market. Decides to take a dump (figuratively speaking) into a Word file and send it on over to a flagship journal right before sending out job applications. Boom - manuscript under review in Nature even though it will be quite unlikely to be accepted.
I personally do not list the journal until it is "in press" at a minimum. I view this as an ethical issue, in that the journal has the right of refusal and so you shouldn't market yourself with their publication until you are actually publishing with them.
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that makes sense and that was my first inclination...but i was just wondering if from the schools perspective it might seem like you are not giving them all the info...
Not sure if the bolded part is always true... I have in review papers on my CV to show that, even though I don't have many publications, I have some in the pipeline. I would say that as people get more published, there's less of a need to do this.
Also, I once was looking up a researcher (grad student) who had written a recent paper I was interested in- their CV had that paper listed as under review at a more prestigious journal than the one it was published in, which had apparently rejected it... oops. I would avoid it for reasons like that as well.
Agreed - don't note the journal until its accepted. I did have a grant reviewer complain about this though (i.e. that they didn't know where my study was under review) so I worked it into my biosketch (i.e. "I recently completed my master's thesis, which is currently under review at xx") but didn't put it in the citation.
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Yeah, I don't list journal names until the manuscript has been accepted.
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I've gotten feedback from grant reviewers that they want to know where it was submitted. So, I think if you clearly say that it is under review, then it minimizes ethical issues.
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do you all think it might make sense to leave them off of the CV but put them in the personal statement (of course, clearly stating they are under review)...or is safer to just leave them off of both?
thanks for the advice!
thanks for the advice!
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Well if a grant reviewer asks for the information or a project officer wants it to go in an NIH biosketch for that purpose, it's different than marketing yourself that way on your CV. You are answering a question. They do evaluate potential PIs not only on their publication history but potential for impact as a scientist. Given how long their grant cycles take and what is at stake, I'd say they might have a good purpose for knowing where it is under review if they include that in their evaluation. I also would not be concerned about them misinterpreting what under review means.
But to go out and use that situation as an excuse to add more to your CV is pretty stupid, IMO. Think about it from the journal's perspective.
I would NEVER recommend putting the journal name on the CV. In a personal statement I'd also consider it a stretch. Now if someone asks you about it on an interview, you could say what point in the review process you are at and such. It just seems like pointless self-promotion to associate yourself with a journal when they haven't given you feedback. If it were me reading your CV, I would view that negatively.
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thanks...makes sense. i'll leave it off of both then. maybe, i'll know more come interview time anyway. 🙂
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Now if you mentioned it in your personal statement...I don't think people would judge it harshly. I just wouldn't do it, even though in a grad school application it is pretty benign.
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I don't think there is much a difference between placing on your CV or placing it in your personal statement. Either way, you are mentioning the journal name. Seems like a pointless argument. I'd also never call another poster's suggestion "stupid."
More information is not unethical when clearly stating that you are placing it in the context of "under review," and it's an accurate reflection of where I am in the process. There is a huge difference in research circles between submitting the graduate journal of suckiness or JAMA.
You should do what feels comfortable for you! Best of luck with the application process, too.
More information is not unethical when clearly stating that you are placing it in the context of "under review," and it's an accurate reflection of where I am in the process. There is a huge difference in research circles between submitting the graduate journal of suckiness or JAMA.
You should do what feels comfortable for you! Best of luck with the application process, too.
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But bear in mind that the norm across many places is to not do this at all. As you can see by what most people have said in this thread, the trend is not to put the journal name on your CV, and there is more than one good reason for that. I can attest to the fact that some faculty view this very negatively.
Interesting. I have two papers under review and did NOT list the journal names in my CV. I was receiving edits from a assistant professor, however, and she suggested that in my Personal Statement I add the journals they have been submitted to in parentheses.
So, I added it only after she suggested it.
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It seems to be a point of controversy...that why I started this thread. The first person I had look over my CV and read my statement asked for me to put them in, the second personal said I should take them out, and the third told me to put them back in!!!...so there doesn't seem to be a clear answer.
I think what I have decided to do is leave them out though. It seems like the people who believe they should not be included feel that it is ethically wrong and I definitely do not want someone to feel that I have broken some moral code (even unintentionally). I think the flip side is that the people who believe it is fine to include them might wonder why they were not included and assume that the reason they were left out was because they were submitted to crappy journals...but still I think the costs of including them could really outweigh the benefits...sorry, wish I had a more definite answer...
Yeah, definitely a reasonable decision. I think I may leave them in the personal statement (assuming no other editors take issue) for two reasons (and I mention them not necessarily to convince you but simply so you know what they are):
1) As one poster pointed out, the designation of this as an "ethical violation" is somewhat of a misnomer, because you are being forthcoming by saying it is under review and, as such, are doing nothing unscrupulous.
2) One of my POIs is an editor in that journal, and I think it will make my work seem even more relevant to what he does.
