Lizzy M score question?

[vandyfootball]

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I couldn't find LizzyM's score on Sdn, so i googled it, and I found an article on ehow.com that mentioned a "lizzyM" score, however I was wondering if this is correct:

Calculate your lizzyM score. It is calculated by adding GPA*10 + MCAT score. For example, a lizzyM score of 67 (3.4 GPA + 33 MCAT) is low and applies to historically black colleges or schools that greatly favor in state applications. A good lizzyM score is somewhere between 72-76 with 30 applications to medical schools, which should result in a very good chance of getting admitted into medical school of at least one of the 30 applications.

^^^^^ It seems unlikely because kids it says that even kids with a 3.6 gpa and a 34 mcat score are considered "weak applicants" just by numbers.....which I don't think is true....

 

[Vassili Zaitsev]

By that criteria, someone with a 3.8 GPA and a 32 MCAT score isn't competitive anywhere.

 

[whoknows2012]

Nope nowhere...from now on you will need a 3.8 and a 38 to be considered competitive

 

[rkmoto121]

Yeah that does seem a little extreme. That score does kind of make sense though because it evens out the people with low gpa - high mcat and high gpa - low mcat. I have never heard of it though and the source is probably just being overdramatic like most sources are about med school and trying to act like you have to be perfect to get in. I mean 30 applications and maybe 1 acceptance with those stats.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

From what I understand 66+ is competitive ( 3.6+ 30). A 70+ ( 3.8+ 3.2) is considered very competitive. 74+ is Harvard's competitive LizzyM.

 

[organdonor]

Your LizzyM score, which is calculated by multiplying your gpa times 10 and adding it to your MCAT, should be comparable to the averages at the schools to which you apply. You can find the schools information in the newest AMSAR.

If your LizzyM score is better than the schools average, you have a good shot. If the schools score is better than yours by several points, it might be a reach.

 

[apumic]

The school selector spreadsheet would be a good place to get actual values for each school. Generally, schools vary from the low to mid 60s on up into the mid to high 70s. (Range is about 60-77 for average LizzyM scores at MD schools and 54-61 for DO schools.)

 

[ball1313]

which GPA?

 

[apumic]

which GPA?

Traditionally, cGPA.

In reality, if you wanted to be more correct, it should be a weighted average -- ~60% cGPA/~40% sGPA -- but honestly, unless your sGPA and cGPA are drastically different it won't make any [significant] difference (and this is just a rough estimate anyway). The spreadsheet weights in about 24% cGPA/16% sGPA/60% MCAT (although these figures dynamically by your specific stats -- MCAT tends to take a lot more weight at lower GPAs -- <3.4 -- as well as once GPA passes about 3.85).

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

define drastic 🙂. A deviation of .3+?

 

[apumic]

define drastic 🙂. A deviation of .3+?

.3 is probably on the low side. Since that would only result in a point value change of ~0.75, I don't even think that's really "drastic." By drastic, I'd mean at least 0.5. E.g., if your cGPA is 3.9 but your sGPA is 3.4, that will make a change of about 1.25, which would change a few schools (it'd be "equivalent" to 2-3 points on the MCAT).

 

[girlofgrace7]

I'm wondering if you calculated the schools' numbers right.
.Plausible schools are ones at which ..your (gpaX10)+MCAT is about equal to/higher than the school's average (gpaX10)+MCAT &#8211; 1.

 

[LuciusVorenus]

EDIT: ok I checked
these schools have a 70+ LizzyM (at least for 2009-2010)

Washington U
Johns Hopkins
Harvard
Stanford
Northwestern
U of Michigan
Duke
Baylor
UCSD
UCSF
Yale
Emory
U of Chicago
Dartmouth
Columbia
Cornell
Mt. Sinai
NYU
Ohio State
U of Pennsylvania
U of Pittsburgh
Brown
Vanderbilt
U of Southern California
Case Western
U of Virginia
UCLA
U of Colorado
Mayo
Einstein
U of N. Carolina
UT Southwestern
U of Florida
U of Miami
U of Hawai'i
U of Iowa
Tufts
U of Massachusetts
SUNY Upstate
U of Rochester
Wake Forest
U of Cincinnati
OHSU
U of Wisconsin

 

[Excelsius]

I couldn't find LizzyM's score on Sdn, so i googled it, and I found an article on ehow.com that mentioned a "lizzyM" score, however I was wondering if this is correct:




^^^^^ It seems unlikely because kids it says that even kids with a 3.6 gpa and a 34 mcat score are considered "weak applicants" just by numbers.....which I don't think is true....

The interpretation is not correct. See the attached.

 

[FlowRate]

Alas, I won't quite hit 80. What a bummer, I wonder if I can get accepted to SGU with that score?

//totally kidding//

 

[yoyoyoIwillwin]

I have a question about this, does this take into account science gpa?
Also will undergraduate school have an affect in admissions?


Hahaha, why was the op banned, apparantly she/he got banned for this thread, because it was there last post?🙂 Are we not allowed to discuss the secret LizzyM score?😉


BTW I found the link the op was talking about, its funny how ehow got a hold of a sdn secret. (Its step 3 on the list)
http://www.ehow.com/how_5043139_admitted-medical-school.html

I am primarly concerned about my grades. I go to Brown University and I have a 3.525 overall gpa, and only a 3.2 science gpa. The LizzyM score gives me an idea on where I stand in terms of med school admissions.

Why do we call it the lizzm score?

 

[apumic]

I have a question about this, does this take into account science gpa?
Also will undergraduate school have an affect in admissions?


Hahaha, why was the op banned, apparantly she/he got banned for this thread, because it was there last post?🙂 Are we not allowed to discuss the secret LizzyM score?😉


BTW I found the link the op was talking about, its funny how ehow got a hold of a sdn secret. (Its step 3 on the list)
http://www.ehow.com/how_5043139_admitted-medical-school.html

I am primarly concerned about my grades. I go to Brown University and I have a 3.525 overall gpa, and only a 3.2 science gpa. The LizzyM score gives me an idea on where I stand in terms of med school admissions.

Why do we call it the lizzm score?

The modified LizzyM does not take sGPA into account. The original does not.

UG school has a small effect on admissions but pales in comparison to just about everything else, including your physical appearance (you think I'm kidding; I'm not).

Yes, the score is top-secret. I am risking my life to tell you this stuff right now. I might get banned too but I'll risk it all for you, d*mn it! J/k, I have no idea why the OP got banned.

The name LizzyM is a tribute to the poster here who came up w it. She is an adcom member at an top med school.

 

[RogueUnicorn]

apumic are you updating your sheet

 

[apumic]

What the heck is going on w/ people getting banned on this thread? Were those the same poster or something? (OP and yoyo)

 

[apumic]

apumic are you updating your sheet

I haven't been because the AAMC got all over me for it. If someone else wants to takeover, it's up for grabs but I can't continue it, unfortunately.

 

[Frazier]

What the heck is going on w/ people getting banned on this thread? Were those the same poster or something? (OP and yoyo).

most likely.

 

[apumic]

There's a story!

lol... not really. I just got a random notification from google (which was one place hosting the spreadsheet) that apparently the AAMC contacted them and asked that it be removed. Although I feel it's a valuable tool for premeds and much of it didn't rely on data from the MSAR, I have to respect their wishes.