LMUDCOM vs KYCOM

[FBurnaby]

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I'm looking for current advice on choosing between these schools. My judgement is clouded by subjective factors (love my lmu interview trip experience, have a friend at KYCOM that loves it). Can anyone comment on their experiences, particularly 3rd and 4th years? Location is about a tie. LMUDCOM is more expensive. I have a family (no kids in school yet) and am most interested in pediatrics if that matters. Thanks!

 

[Rekt]

DCOM is barely more expensive. I was pretty impressed with my DCOM interview. KYCOM is kind of one of the schools you don't hear much about, but when you do, it's usually very negative. I applied there, but never heard anything, but received multiple other interviews/acceptances from other schools, so I'm not sure why. I would probably chose DCOM in your situation.

BUT, with that being said, I attend a school with a large class size and I understand DCOM has around 250 students. If I could back into time when picking a school, it would undoubtedly have been tuition > class size > everything else. I don't know why, but I must have not thought about class sizes when picking a school. It's an absolute nightmare at times and you definitely get the feeling of just being a number (tuition dollars) most of the time.

 

[IslandStyle808]

If I had to choose between the two, it would be LMU.

The two largest reasons being 1) no mandatory attendance 2) 6 months of clinical electives in both 3rd year and 4th (which is far greater than KYCOM). There is also the fact that LMU is closer to a city than KYCOM.

 

[FBurnaby]

I'm also not sure what to make of large class sizes, if that even matters in medical school?

 

[IslandStyle808]

I'm also not sure what to make of large class sizes, if that even matters in medical school?

When you get to rotations, it will...

 

[qwe1230]

(I made an account to reply to this)

Just to clarify; attendance is only mandatory at KYCOM during 1st semester. That being said, the professors don't ever take role. There are a few classes that have random "clicker" style quizzes at the start of lecture, but those quizzes are weighted so lowly that many students don't mind skipping them.

KYCOM Pros:

• Cheaper tuition than most DO schools.
• The school gives you an iPad, laptop, all the welch allyn diagnostic tools, textbooks, and an OMT table for free (I guess you could say it's included in our tuition, but again, our tuition is lower than other schools).
• 2nd year students are given Kaplan/Qbank access for free until the day of their COMLEX exam.
  
• The facilities are top tier compared to many other DO schools. KYCOM students attend lecture/lab/everything in the new 9 story Coal Building at the University of Pikeville. The lecture halls are very modern and tech integrated, there is an OMT clinic that is open to the public that makes up the entire 4th floor, the anatomy lab is on par with other schools, tons of private and group study rooms, etc.
• Some of the basic sciences professors are well known and are absolutely superb at teaching. The clinical sciences faculty is excellent.
• We get exposure to both standardized patients and clinic patients in the first semester.

KYCOM Cons:

• We have OMT lab once a week for 4 hours straight. Most students agree that it is too much to sit through all at once.
  
• Our first-time COMLEX-1 pass rate has historically been a few percentage points below the national average.
• Some of the basic sciences professors are sub-par when it comes to lecturing (language barriers, not engaging, ineptly made powerpoints).
  
• The school struggles to fully inform 2nd year students about the details of clinical rotations. I believe this is because the administration is transitioning to a new lottery system for assigning core rotation sites.

I think KYCOM strongly prepares students for rotations and clinical encounters.
The curriculum here covers everything you need to know to do well on the boards. IMO, however, success on COMLEX-1 is more reflective of the individual student's efforts, regardless of what school he attended.

 

[elam1001]

Just adding on to what the other person was saying about the Pros of KYCOM. KYCOM's current dean is the AOA president elect and will be signing your recommendation letter when applying to residencies. Our OMM professor is the president of the OMT national organization. Attendance is not mandatory. We have a free clinic to the community which we get to work in, within your first year. Our rooms we use for the SP exams are literally a copy and paste of the rooms of the 2nd level PE that you will take. Our school also listens to the needs of the students ie: we said we wanted more study rooms on campus, within 3 months we had 15 brand new rooms for study space.

 

[samac]

I go to KYCOM and although attendance isn't mandatory after your first semester the lecture capture system sucks. There is no way to speed up the lectures and it's flash video, so you can't download any thing that does speed it up.
I actually had a choice between LMU DCOM and KYCOM and chose KYCOM.
For one there is no living in walking distance from DCOM. I hate that because they don't even salt their roads, they put sand on them. I interviewed after a snow storm and I was very glad my father brought me in a 4 wheel drive truck. At KYCOM you can live downtown and I like not worrying about weather.
Tuition was a factor. LMU DCOM was about 5k/yr more expensive than KYCOM without taking fees into account. Saving 20k over 4 years between 2 very similar schools made me a little happy.
I know the 2 schools also share a few rotation sites.

Honestly, if you love LMU DCOM go there and don't let your friend influence your decision. You've seen both places and you said you love DCOM, but your friend loves KYCOM. I think you have your decision right there.

 

[BorntobeDO?]

DCOM is barely more expensive. I was pretty impressed with my DCOM interview. KYCOM is kind of one of the schools you don't hear much about, but when you do, it's usually very negative. I applied there, but never heard anything, but received multiple other interviews/acceptances from other schools, so I'm not sure why. I would probably chose DCOM in your situation.

BUT, with that being said, I attend a school with a large class size and I understand DCOM has around 250 students. If I could back into time when picking a school, it would undoubtedly have been tuition > class size > everything else. I don't know why, but I must have not thought about class sizes when picking a school. It's an absolute nightmare at times and you definitely get the feeling of just being a number (tuition dollars) most of the time.

I second the thought on class size. Its great when you want an anatomy review session with the fellow, but there are only 200 slots (100 with the 'good' one) and you have 200 DO students + 140 masters students 'competing' for them. That being said, LMU actually has a fellowship program and offers review session. If your average drops below 70 they will get you a tutor during the first year (at NO cost to you, they pay).

So I would note the remediation policy and also any weirdness in the grading system (i.e. LMU says you must pass every component in a class with a 70% average, you can't pull up lab with test and vice versa). These are very important aspects. Also check for giant linkage programs. While you don't directly compete with the masters students, in a way you do because LMU dumps the Masters and DO average together. And our Masters do not take every class with DO, but basically take 6 hours of fluff plus MGA. This means that questions that weren't well covered might not get thrown out (cause the masters students have a lot more time to pick professors brains than you do and average higher than the DO).

At the same time your less busy former linkage students will be able to tutor you (and the masters program is a big reason why we have good availability of tutors who have to have had a B or better in the course).

So I think thats the biggest pro and con I didn't address before picking a program.

Summary
Pro:
We have tutors
No mandatory attendance (mediasite is okay, but it is getting upgraded in Dec, can't wait 🙂 Also we CAN speed ours up)
Large amounts of selectives and electives
We have study rooms (not enough, but some is better than none)
Knoxville is about an hour from harrogate
Our Cafe is pretty good.
Real university. Probably over half graduate students, but its real, not a stand alone COM


Con:
Big class + Huge linkage program = everyone not on equal ground and too many people in a couple of your first year class (not an issue after 1st year)
Harrogate is no Target for 60 miles

Housing isn't as cheap as it should be. 2 bedroom can be found for $600 with effort, but for an area this rural should be $400
Tuition at 46k is expensive even tho it is 'middle-low' for DO. Doesn't include books, equipment or laptop (shouldn't be a major factor, but annoying none the less).

 

[BorntobeDO?]

Just adding on to what the other person was saying about the Pros of KYCOM. KYCOM's current dean is the AOA president elect and will be signing your recommendation letter when applying to residencies. Our OMM professor is the president of the OMT national organization. Attendance is not mandatory. We have a free clinic to the community which we get to work in, within your first year. Our rooms we use for the SP exams are literally a copy and paste of the rooms of the 2nd level PE that you will take. Our school also listens to the needs of the students ie: we said we wanted more study rooms on campus, within 3 months we had 15 brand new rooms for study space.[/QUOTE]
That is nice, I am jealous.

 

[FBurnaby]

@HandsomeRob I thought the class size was 225? There are 340 people taking anatomy?? How difficult is it to get your desired core site, say in Knoxville?

 

[OsteopathicHopeful]

@HandsomeRob I thought the class size was 225? There are 340 people taking anatomy?? How difficult is it to get your desired core site, say in Knoxville?

There are about 150 master's students in the mix for anatomy

 

[BorntobeDO?]

@HandsomeRob I thought the class size was 225? There are 340 people taking anatomy?? How difficult is it to get your desired core site, say in Knoxville?

The class size is bigger than 225. They told us 243 at the beginning of the year, but I have counted more (in the DO schedules) than that so not sure. Although the 225 + 8% does = 243 so I guess thats our official class size. And there are 140+ masters students in MGA with the DO (although about 40-50 DO Linkage students had already gotten a B in MGA last year and didn't have to repeat it, so only about 190ish DO students. 340 sounds about right for the total. Its alot. The LMU linkage program is actually really friendly to the Masters students IMO. And it does have some benefits for DO students as well (more tutors, and your masters students partners can help your group out a lot if you get a good one). So I have mixed feelings. I do wish there was less people tho.

We do lottery for Core sites, its not weighted by rank or anything so its a bit of luck. Since our 'core' is only 6 months you can put your top 3 as Knoxville core first semester, Knoxville core second semester, or Knoxville either(update: heard this may change to a 9 month format where they count the selectives as part of the core, so no more ranking 6 month halfs if true 🙁 . I haven't had to do it yet, but I would get familiar with a couple sites and don't get deadset on one place for core. Also during hospital day the hospitals that are core sites let you know if they will provide room and board, and also food, (unfortunately this is only for single students tho).

Also you can see what residency's are in certain places. I think getting a core with a residency with what you want in it, and that will lower your cost should be a higher priority over pure location. But thats me. The point is, don't look at it like location is the only important thing. You want a place that will set you up to look good on audition rotations too. But really I should let upperclassmen talk about that, as they have actual experience that I don't.

 

[Oh_Gee]

I second the thought on class size. Its great when you want an anatomy review session with the fellow, but there are only 200 slots (100 with the 'good' one) and you have 200 DO students + 140 masters students 'competing' for them. That being said, LMU actually has a fellowship program and offers review session. If your average drops below 70 they will get you a tutor during the first year (at NO cost to you, they pay). They don't kick people out for 'just' failing in general, and will allow you to repeat the year.

So I would note the remediation policy (pretty good at LMU) and also any weirdness in the grading system (i.e. LMU says you must pass every component in a class with a 70% average, you can't pull up lab with test and vice versa). These are very important aspects. Also check for giant linkage programs. While you don't directly compete with the masters students, in a way you do because LMU dumps the Masters and DO average together. And our Masters do not take every class with DO, but basically take 6 hours of fluff plus MGA. This means that questions that weren't well covered might not get thrown out (cause the masters students have a lot more time to pick professors brains than you do and average higher than the DO).

At the same time your less busy former linkage students will be able to tutor you (and the masters program is a big reason why we have good availability of tutors who have to have had a B or better in the course).

So I think thats the biggest pro and con I didn't address before picking a program.

Summary
Pro:
We have tutors
We don't kick people out for failing (usually)
No mandatory attendance (mediasite is okay, but it is getting upgraded in Dec, can't wait 🙂 Also we CAN speed ours up)
Large amounts of selectives and electives
We have some pretty good sites (like ETSU core)
We have study rooms (not enough, but some is better than none)
Knoxville is about an hour from harrogate
Our Cafe is pretty good.
Real university. Probably over half graduate students, but its real, not a stand alone COM.
Only DO school in TN, Yay! (this is actually a pro, got a good rep around the block here, I just went to hospital day and I felt the love).
New Dean is coming from CUCOM and has developing our OGME as a high priority (and experience from doing it with Campbell).
More opportunities than I expected for research (not overwhelming, but much more than the basically none I thought there was).

Con:
Big class + Huge linkage program = everyone not on equal ground and too many people in a couple of your first year class (not an issue after 1st year)
Harrogate is no Target for 60 miles kind of rural
No Salt on the road for snow because of aesthestics is about the dumbest thing I have ever heard. That was the reason I was told, seriously.
Housing isn't as cheap as it should be. 2 bedroom can be found for $600 with effort, but for an area this rural should be $400
Tuition at 46k is expensive even tho it is 'middle-low' for DO. Doesn't include books, equipment or laptop (shouldn't be a major factor, but annoying none the less).

any comments on quality of LMU's rotation sites?

 

[dfib slim]

any comments on quality of LMU's rotation sites?

Hit and miss but I'm at a great site though. Bigger city, residents on IM, all inpatient except FM, numerous electives already set up in the area at different hospitals. Got to do a thoracentesis today, numerous PICCs under fluoro, ect.

 

[Oh_Gee]

Hit and miss but I'm at a great site though. Bigger city, residents on IM, all inpatient except FM, numerous electives already set up in the area at different hospitals. Got to do a thoracentesis today, numerous PICCs under fluoro, ect.

Memphis?

 

[Makati2008]

Just adding on to what the other person was saying about the Pros of KYCOM. KYCOM's current dean is the AOA president elect and will be signing your recommendation letter when applying to residencies. Our OMM professor is the president of the OMT national organization. Attendance is not mandatory. We have a free clinic to the community which we get to work in, within your first year. Our rooms we use for the SP exams are literally a copy and paste of the rooms of the 2nd level PE that you will take. Our school also listens to the needs of the students ie: we said we wanted more study rooms on campus, within 3 months we had 15 brand new rooms for study space.

Everything you said was nice except no one cares (residency program director wise )your dean is AOA president elect. It has no bearing on the clinical competency of the applicant.

 

[ToKingdomCome]

I think I'd take kycom. I'll be honest, I don't know much about either but that thread about lmu rotation's is scary

 

[Makati2008]

I think I'd take kycom. I'll be honest, I don't know much about either but that thread about lmu rotation's is scary

I wouldn't take KYCOM but I will say that I agree, the rotation situation is messed up at DCOM. I was satisfied with ob,peds, EM,surg but the rest were not the best. Also they made it a little difficult for me to go acgme(not intentionally but I pulled the short straw schedule)

 

[ToKingdomCome]

I wouldn't take KYCOM but I will say that I agree, the rotation situation is messed up at DCOM. I was satisfied with ob,peds, EM,surg but the rest were not the best. Also they made it a little difficult for me to go acgme(not intentionally but I pulled the short straw schedule)

Has the rotations there always been shotty or has it just been that way in recent hears?
Lmu seems to produce solid match results though?

 

[Makati2008]

Has the rotations there always been shotty or has it just been that way in recent hears?
Lmu seems to produce solid match results though?

Always not the best

 

[IslandStyle808]

I think I'd take kycom. I'll be honest, I don't know much about either but that thread about lmu rotation's is scary

I have interviewed at both in the past. The rotation situation at KYCOM is not much better. I have asked my interviewers about rotations with residencies, they told me of one site (there maybe more). However, I could tell it was extremely preceptor based.

 

[BorntobeDO?]

any comments on quality of LMU's rotation sites?

We share some rotations with UT, ETSU etc. We also have a number of rural sites like Pineville which is a rural hospital with no residency (although they told me they are going to start a FP one soon). I know we chopped out some sites that were weaker last year (and we lost some this year to ACOM), rumors mill says we will replacing them by adding Chattanooga (update: apparently not happening), and possibly a site in Florida.

Can't comment on any individual site cause I am not there yet at all. Upperclassmen will have to speak on that.

 

[FBurnaby]

@HandsomeRob any sites with pediatrics residency?

 

[Shinobiz11]

@HandsomeRob any sites with pediatrics residency?

http://www.lmunet.edu/academics/sch...ic-medicine/academics/clinical-rotation-sites

 

[BorntobeDO?]

@HandsomeRob any sites with pediatrics residency?

I don't remember any specifically, so you would need to hit up shinobiz11 list. That is the official list. Although I can think of one core (cause I talked to them at hospital day cause they were giving out cool clipboards, don't judge me, I didn't even get a clipboard 🙁) that is coming online in Michigan for next year that is a FP residency that isn't on there (I believe it is McLaren, in flint MI). They told me they will be a core site for DCOM next year and they give free food and board to single students (but not me as I have a family). Come on McLaren, no clipboard or food and board for me, where is the love?

As far as which ones are peds, honestly I don't remember. I wasn't looking at that on hospital day, so I would have to go down the list and search like everyone else. Plus I know the number is way less if any. IM and FP were available, and even taking a cursory look I found a site that is a AOA Rad residency. But peds, I just wasn't paying attention to that (and it didn't seem like there were a ton of them).

I know the Knoxville core has a children's hospital, so if I had to guess I would say that one. The only way you will really know is googing for most of these hospitals, cause a lot of them don't advertise their GME on the main page. Sorry I am not the guy to ask about peds residencys. I imagine that they are going to be mostly audition/elective/selective rotations, and probably not at a Core.

I am getting off this topic tho, as upperclassmen will have more actual experience than me.

 

[schwasted589]

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[FBurnaby]

@swiftjab

 

[Makati2008]

I don't remember any specifically, so you would need to hit up shinobiz11 list. That is the official list. Although I can think of one core (cause I talked to them at hospital day cause they were giving out cool clipboards, don't judge me, I didn't even get a clipboard 🙁) that is coming online in Michigan for next year that is a FP residency that isn't on there (I believe it is McLaren, in flint MI). They told me they will be a core site for DCOM next year and they give free food and board to single students (but not me as I have a family). Come on McLaren, no clipboard or food and board for me, where is the love?

As far as which ones are peds, honestly I don't remember. I wasn't looking at that on hospital day, so I would have to go down the list and search like everyone else. Plus I know the number is way less if any. IM and FP were available, and even taking a cursory look I found a site that is a AOA Rad residency. But peds, I just wasn't paying attention to that (and it didn't seem like there were a ton of them).

I know the Knoxville core has a children's hospital, so if I had to guess I would say that one. The only way you will really know is googing for most of these hospitals, cause a lot of them don't advertise their GME on the main page. Sorry I am not the guy to ask about peds residencys. I imagine that they are going to be mostly audition/elective/selective rotations, and probably not at a Core.

I am getting off this topic tho, as upperclassmen will have more actual experience than me.

Children's in knoxville has no peds residency. I rotated there and wondered why not. Also the rotations there hit/miss. Radiology-Great. Gen Peds- Excellent.
GAS-horrible. No tubes the whole month and CNRA students can tube but a Med student can't....

 

[Mehd School]

Summary
Pro:
We have tutors
We don't kick people out for failing (usually) - Fail two courses and you repeat the year. Fail another course and you're done. Honestly, it's hard to fail so they're doing you a favor in the long run.
No mandatory attendance (mediasite is okay, but it is getting upgraded in Dec, can't wait 🙂 Also we CAN speed ours up) Mediasite is the absolute bomb, and we are so incredibly lucky to have it. We have an a-hole of a professor second year who somehow thinks his learning style is best and we have mandatory attendance for that one class. Cherish mediasite. It is a gift from the heavens above.
Large amounts of selectives and electives
We have some pretty good sites (like ETSU core) Hard to say as a second year, and especially as a first year. We can only go off of hearsay which varies wildly. I'm fairly sure our rotations are largely a liability just like every other DO school in the country without a dedicated hospital or longstanding relationships with rotation spots.
We have study rooms (not enough, but some is better than none)
Knoxville is about an hour from harrogate Closer to an hour and a half, and it is the biggest pain in the ass of a drive ever. If knoxville was only 30 minutes away it would be great living here. But since we essentially live on a secluded island, it sucks.
Our Cafe is pretty good. Your undergrad cafe must have been god awful.
Real university. Probably over half graduate students, but its real, not a stand alone COM. You should have put quotation marks around "real". Buildings exist on campus here, but I swear in two years I've seen like 3 people on campus that weren't eating lunch or working out.
Only DO school in TN, Yay! (this is actually a pro, got a good rep around the block here, I just went to hospital day and I felt the love). Meh
New Dean is coming from CUCOM and has developing our OGME as a high priority (and experience from doing it with Campbell).I liked our old dean. That guy had some actual pull in the area and around the country. New guy seems promising, but change up top can lead to unwanted change down below. Campbell has VERY different policies than DCOM and that guy may have liked them enough to bring them with him. Glad I'm almost done in Harrogate.
More opportunities than I expected for research (not overwhelming, but much more than the basically none I thought there was). Very, very meh.

Con:
Big class + Huge linkage program = everyone not on equal ground and too many people in a couple of your first year class (not an issue after 1st year) I've posted my thoughts before on what I call the "master's advantage" and it wasn't very popular as I expected. But I maintain, it's unfair to med students to compete for grades with people only taking that one class. Your first year is absolute cake if you did a masters. Props to them, I guess. I would have done it too if I needed to, it's a sweet program and some of my best friends were masters students.
Harrogate is no Target for 60 miles kind of rural
No Salt on the road for snow because of aesthestics is about the dumbest thing I have ever heard. That was the reason I was told, seriously. Sand on roads is a southern thing. It doesn't snow/freeze here enough to warrant very expensive trucks to lay the salt.
Housing isn't as cheap as it should be. 2 bedroom can be found for $600 with effort, but for an area this rural should be $400 Housing is super cheap here, you're nuts. If you can find a two bedroom hosue for $400 go kick the drug dealer out of your attic. I rent a 4 bedroom house with 3 other roommates and it's $900. It's literally insane.
Tuition at 46k is expensive even tho it is 'middle-low' for DO. Doesn't include books, equipment or laptop (shouldn't be a major factor, but annoying none the less).

An MS2's take on things in red above

 

[dfib slim]

An MS2's take on things in red above

I'm a die-hard mediasiter and felt the same way about the professor that requires you to attend lecture. In the end I was grateful how that class was put together. Felt really strong going into step1 in that area and got a few usmle questions correct that I may not have gotten otherwise. Things not in the standard board prep materials.

As far as the masters students go once second year rolls around they aren't at an advantage anymore. Personally I'd consider it a disadvantage to have an easy first year only to be hit by a train with the volume of second year. And AFAIK the masters students are not included in the class ranking. They were left off of our first and second year ranking and it wouldn't make sense to add them to the third.

 

[Mehd School]

I'm a die-hard mediasiter and felt the same way about the professor that requires you to attend lecture. In the end I was grateful how that class was put together. Agree to disagree. I am in no way a fan of how he tailored the class. I don't even know why they call it a reproduction class. It's strictly OB/GYN. Felt really strong going into step1 in that area and got a few usmle questions correct that I may not have gotten otherwise. Things not in the standard board prep materials.

As far as the masters students go once second year rolls around they aren't at an advantage anymore. Personally I'd consider it a disadvantage to have an easy first year only to be hit by a train with the volume of second year. -This I agree with. And AFAIK the masters students are not included in the class ranking. They are, I asked. They were left off of our first and second year ranking and it wouldn't make sense to add them to the third.Every medical student in the country is ranked in some way. Would be a giant red flag otherwise.

Red again.

But in response to the repro lectures - the guy is simply a joke. He told us that he knows the course is succeeding due to how well we perform on exams. I wonder if that has anything to do with him holding a review session the saturday before the exam and telling us 90% of what was on there. My friend didn't start looking at repro (besides readings) until that review session and got a 94% on the exam. She's a B/C student.

 

[dfib slim]

Red again.

But in response to the repro lectures - the guy is simply a joke. He told us that he knows the course is succeeding due to how well we perform on exams. I wonder if that has anything to do with him holding a review session the saturday before the exam and telling us 90% of what was on there. My friend didn't start looking at repro (besides readings) until that review session and got a 94% on the exam. She's a B/C student.

Surprisingly a number of students still fail the exams.

 

[elam1001]

Everything you said was nice except no one cares (residency program director wise )your dean is AOA president elect. It has no bearing on the clinical competency of the applicant.

Lolzzz, but you cared enough to take time of your day to reply with something rude. I'll tell you what they will care about: boards, grades, etc. And guess what? At the end of the day doesn't matter where you go because those factors are dependent on what YOU put into it. So I guess the same can be said about ANY school. Therefore I don't even see why you're even on this network because half the discussions is about which school to choose and where you go doesn't mean getting a 400 vs 700 on boards. I didn't say ANYTHING in my comment about getting a Mayo clinic residency if you come to KYCOM, saying that our dean is the current AOA presidential elect is because guess what he is a big deal, won't mean you will get 100% the residency you want because he wrote you a letter! but it will help in competitive field. Idk what world you live in, but who you know DOES matter. so your comment really is irrational, but don't worry, I'm sure you will get far in life.

 

[elam1001]

I wouldn't take KYCOM but I will say that I agree, the rotation situation is messed up at DCOM. I was satisfied with ob,peds, EM,surg but the rest were not the best. Also they made it a little difficult for me to go acgme(not intentionally but I pulled the short straw schedule)

Because you know so much about KYCOM.

 

[elam1001]

Always not the best

How the hell do you know? Please tell me, please.

 

[samac]

Don't take offense Elam. No need for that.

 

[BorntobeDO?]

I'm a die-hard mediasiter and felt the same way about the professor that requires you to attend lecture. In the end I was grateful how that class was put together. Felt really strong going into step1 in that area and got a few usmle questions correct that I may not have gotten otherwise. Things not in the standard board prep materials.

As far as the masters students go once second year rolls around they aren't at an advantage anymore. Personally I'd consider it a disadvantage to have an easy first year only to be hit by a train with the volume of second year. And AFAIK the masters students are not included in the class ranking. They were left off of our first and second year ranking and it wouldn't make sense to add them to the third.

Our last deans hour has me thinking this may be changing. I don't know how it could change and be fair to non-linakge (other than ranking individual years, and ranking the linkage against themselves the first year). It wouldn't be fair at all to rank them directly.

 

[Mehd School]

How the hell do you know? Please tell me, please.

Lolzzz, but you cared enough to take time of your day to reply with something rude. I'll tell you what they will care about: boards, grades, etc. And guess what? At the end of the day doesn't matter where you go because those factors are dependent on what YOU put into it. So I guess the same can be said about ANY school. Therefore I don't even see why you're even on this network because half the discussions is about which school to choose and where you go doesn't mean getting a 400 vs 700 on boards. I didn't say ANYTHING in my comment about getting a Mayo clinic residency if you come to KYCOM, saying that our dean is the current AOA presidential elect is because guess what he is a big deal, won't mean you will get 100% the residency you want because he wrote you a letter! but it will help in competitive field. Idk what world you live in, but who you know DOES matter. so your comment really is irrational, but don't worry, I'm sure you will get far in life.

Because you know so much about KYCOM.

How the hell do you know? Please tell me, please.

Chill out man. Everytime KYCOM comes up in a negative light you get snappy. You must get snappy a lot.

Oh and speaking of mayo - http://www.mayo.edu/people/brennan-j-boettcher-do

 

[Makati2008]

Lolzzz, but you cared enough to take time of your day to reply with something rude. I'll tell you what they will care about: boards, grades, etc. And guess what? At the end of the day doesn't matter where you go because those factors are dependent on what YOU put into it. So I guess the same can be said about ANY school. Therefore I don't even see why you're even on this network because half the discussions is about which school to choose and where you go doesn't mean getting a 400 vs 700 on boards. I didn't say ANYTHING in my comment about getting a Mayo clinic residency if you come to KYCOM, saying that our dean is the current AOA presidential elect is because guess what he is a big deal, won't mean you will get 100% the residency you want because he wrote you a letter! but it will help in competitive field. Idk what world you live in, but who you know DOES matter. so your comment really is irrational, but don't worry, I'm sure you will get far in life.

Lol. My comment was quite true and it hurt your pride. It's obvious from the tone of your writing. I'm in an ACGME program and I know for a fact my PD doesn't care who the AOA president is(heck it's a meaningless position IMHO). Also I did a year in an AOA residency and that PD didn't care as well but whatever. Get back to me when you are actually in a speciality, and not at an ultra-isolated school that they couldn't get me to go to if it was free.

Thanks!

 

[elam1001]

Lol. My comment was quite true and it hurt your pride. It's obvious from the tone of your writing. I'm in an ACGME program and I know for a fact my PD doesn't care who the AOA president is(heck it's a meaningless position IMHO). Also I did a year in an AOA residency and that PD didn't care as well but whatever. Get back to me when you are actually in a speciality, and not at an ultra-isolated school that they couldn't get me to go to if it was free.

Thanks!

My ultra isolated school obviously hurts YOUR feelings because you take the time of your so busy schedule in your "hot shot speciality" to come on SDN & give advice on a place you don't know **** about and actually take the time to comment on multiple posts to tell people not to come here. Maybe you should get back to me when you grow up 🙂

 

[elam1001]

Chill out man. Everytime KYCOM comes up in a negative light you get snappy. You must get snappy a lot.

Oh and speaking of mayo - http://www.mayo.edu/people/brennan-j-boettcher-do

It's really cute how you're supporting your little friend. And yes I will get snappy because I won't allow you or Mr.Hot Shot to disrespect my school especially when you know NOTHING about it. But instead are idiots who read a post on here 3 years ago and just repeating what you saw. So unless you have attended KYCOM, or did a rotation here I don't see how your opinion or his is relevant, do you?

 

[EF0028]

Lol. My comment was quite true and it hurt your pride. It's obvious from the tone of your writing. I'm in an ACGME program and I know for a fact my PD doesn't care who the AOA president is(heck it's a meaningless position IMHO). Also I did a year in an AOA residency and that PD didn't care as well but whatever. Get back to me when you are actually in a speciality, and not at an ultra-isolated school that they couldn't get me to go to if it was free.

Thanks!

Um your comment was actually misdirected in the first place. She didn't say that the fact that he is AOA president elect will make people pick you for residency. Just the fact that it's an influential position. Meaning that it's easier to get our students' concerns voiced at the national level. For all of us. Dr. Buser was at the forefront of the merger. That's why it matters, because our voices are being heard and we have someone who is right in the middle of things at the national level. So that helps. There wasn't a need for any of that when she just stated facts about her school that she is more than allowed to be proud of. It is a common trend on here for people to have opinions about KYCOM that don't actually know that much about the school just based on what they read on threads that were posted years ago. That is why there are students from all schools on here to provide input. To help each other. So just like DCOM is allowed to say what they think are pros for their school, we are allowed to state ours too. That's what she did, and in fact you were the one that brought negativity into it. So I'd say stick to what you know and let other people answer the questions you don't know the answer to. That's a central skill a doctor is supposed to have, isn't it? DOs (and MDs) will be working together no matter where you go, so I'd start to have a little respect for fellow students.

 

[Makati2008]

My ultra isolated school obviously hurts YOUR feelings because you take the time of your so busy schedule in your "hot shot speciality" to come on SDN & give advice on a place you don't know **** about and actually take the time to comment on multiple posts to tell people not to come here. Maybe you should get back to me when you grow up 🙂

First, consider yourself warned about your language. Secondly I am free to base my opinion of your school due to my personal experiences there.

Goodbye

 

[Makati2008]

Um your comment was actually misdirected in the first place. She didn't say that the fact that he is AOA president elect will make people pick you for residency. Just the fact that it's an influential position. Meaning that it's easier to get our students' concerns voiced at the national level. For all of us. Dr. Buser was at the forefront of the merger. That's why it matters, because our voices are being heard and we have someone who is right in the middle of things at the national level. So that helps. There wasn't a need for any of that when she just stated facts about her school that she is more than allowed to be proud of. It is a common trend on here for people to have opinions about KYCOM that don't actually know that much about the school just based on what they read on threads that were posted years ago. That is why there are students from all schools on here to provide input. To help each other. So just like DCOM is allowed to say what they think are pros for their school, we are allowed to state ours too. That's what she did, and in fact you were the one that brought negativity into it. So I'd say stick to what you know and let other people answer the questions you don't know the answer to. That's a central skill a doctor is supposed to have, isn't it? DOs (and MDs) will be working together no matter where you go, so I'd start to have a little respect for fellow students.

You are free to believe whatever you like but Elam stating- he will be the one signing your residency letters etc... made it sound like him being President elect will help with residency spots at prestigious programs. Again it will have no effect.

I think it's a telling sign that although I gave very blunt responses about DCOM and KYCOM, only a couple of students from the KYCOM side have issues with what I am saying....

I do agree you should be proud of your school BUT be truthful about it's positives as well as negatives.

 

[samac]

You are free to believe whatever you like but Elam stating- he will be the one signing your residency letters etc... made it sound like him being President elect will help with residency spots at prestigious programs. Again it will have no effect.

I think it's a telling sign that although I gave very blunt responses about DCOM and KYCOM, only a couple of students from the KYCOM side have issues with what I am saying....

I do agree you should be proud of your school BUT be truthful about it's positives as well as negatives.

I 100% agree on behind honest with the positive and negative.
A new negative? They've started taking attendance in 1st year classes. We have no idea what they're going to do to those who aren't there, but that's a huge annoying turnoff to me. Honestly, even though it's just this semster, required attendance annoys me much more than I thought it would. I figured I'd be a class goer anyway, but I just want to nap and get on SDN in class. I'm much more focused putting myself in a bubble at my desk at home.

Edit: but there is also no need in trashing the school when you haven't been there. Saying "I wouldn't go there's for free" is kind of ridiculous without giving any substantial back up to the statement.

 

[elam1001]

Chill out man. Everytime KYCOM comes up in a negative light you get snappy. You must get snappy a lot.

Oh and speaking of mayo - http://www.mayo.edu/people/brennan-j-boettcher-do

First, consider yourself warned about your language. Secondly I am free to base my opinion of your school due to my personal experiences there.

Goodbye

First, consider yourself warned about your language. Secondly I am free to base my opinion of your school due to my personal experiences there.

Goodbye

If you had a personal experience there than I suggest you state it to back up your point. Which I highly doubt you had a personal experience there, if you did have an experience here it was probably getting rejected for admission. And commenting on your other comment, I was honest with what I said. I literally said "adding to the pros" from the other persons post, they had negatives listed as well and I didn't deny them, but I didn't have anything to add. You can give your opinion about DCOM because you go there, you don't attend KYCOM, so why does your opinion matter. I didn't comment on what I think of DCOM because I don't attend the school to give a full perspective. I guess not all of us have that common sense. And like she said you are the one who started the negativity.

 

[EF0028]

You are free to believe whatever you like but Elam stating- he will be the one signing your residency letters etc... made it sound like him being President elect will help with residency spots at prestigious programs. Again it will have no effect.

I think it's a telling sign that although I gave very blunt responses about DCOM and KYCOM, only a couple of students from the KYCOM side have issues with what I am saying....

I do agree you should be proud of your school BUT be truthful about it's positives as well as negatives.

I have no problem with negatives being brought up about KYCOM. In fact, I have never commented on anything like that on this post or any other post and tried to deny any of them. I commented on the way you commented and coming off as attacking when that's not necessary. As a moderator, I'd expect more. So that's the problem I have, not negatives that have been brought up. Every school has negatives. And Elam didn't try to disputes any of the negatives in the post she replied to. She just added to it. I think she also specifically said she was just adding onto it. So I'm not sure why you're saying she doesn't want to be honest about negatives. If that was true, she'd comment on the negatives and try to dispute them. Also, you mentioned it's based off personal experiences you have here, so that must mean that you've attended KYCOM or done a clinical rotation here. I'd love to hear about your experience.

 

[Makati2008]

If you had a personal experience there than I suggest you state it to back up your point. Which I highly doubt you had a personal experience there, if you did have an experience here it was probably getting rejected for admission. And commenting on your other comment, I was honest with what I said. I literally said "adding to the pros" from the other persons post, they had negatives listed as well and I didn't deny them, but I didn't have anything to add. You can give your opinion about DCOM because you go there, you don't attend KYCOM, so why does your opinion matter. I didn't comment on what I think of DCOM because I don't attend the school to give a full perspective. I guess not all of us have that common sense. And like she said you are the one who started the negativity.

The personal experience I haven't mentioned to keep from revealing my identity even more. I was accepted to KYCOM FYI but it wasn't for me.

I'm a resident not a student btw.

 

[elam1001]

The personal experience I haven't mentioned to keep from revealing my identity even more. I was accepted to KYCOM FYI but it wasn't for me.

I'm a resident not a student btw.

I think the fact that you are a resident is even worse, because I would expect you to be more mature. when you merely had an interview here. To my knowledge that interview is a max of 4 hours, so I don't see how you can comment on anything else except what your interview was like 4 years AGO or maybe more, which still wouldn't reflect on how the school interview process is now since a lot has changed in the past 4-5 years. Everybody is entitled to an opinion, but the only opinions that matters are the ones that are off based actual experince: ie attending kyCOM or doing a rotation here. That is my whole point. You didn't agree with what I said which is fine, but you are mistaken being blunt with being rude. You could have said what you wanted and disagree with me in a polite manner, but you choose not to. I think that says a lot about your character. FYI I highly doubt we will know who you are by your interview experience since it happened so long ago, we hadn't even graduated undergrad when you were interviewing, so that makes no sense.