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One opens, while another one might not: http://www2.tbo.com/content/2010/may/15/na-usf-pharmacy-school-may-face-veto/news-breaking/
Yeah, the only thing about that USF school not opening is that it isn't facing not being opened because there are too many damn pharmacists and not enough jobs, but because someone misallocated/mismanaged funds and there's not enough to go around, apparently.
Not really the same thing, IMO.
And USF is in Florida. This school OP is posting about is in California... yet another school in CA.
Western, LLU, Touro, UCSF, UCSD, USC, UoP, Samuel Merrit, CNCP, Fremont/Fresno whatever... yeesh.
I don't know about the future ...but they need to stop mass producing pharmacists. I attended USC pharm grad ceremony this week and i happened to know that almost 50% of class don't have a job offer yet!!!. We have lots of students doing internships at our hospital and they still yet have no job offers!!! Even a couple of them are paid interns at two hospitals, but still no opening RPh positions after grad for them...
Not trying to be ugly and mean, but the chance of a future grad Pharm.D working at a liquor store can be very very possible....if they don't stop opening new schools everywhere like this.
wtf is samuel merrit and fremont/fresno??? I've never even heard of those.
Looks like Cali has a real problem with that and it is spilling over into AZ. Damn you cali people moving into my state!
I know of another school which some want to shut down, but this will be the entire university shutting down.One opens, while another one might not: http://www2.tbo.com/content/2010/may/15/na-usf-pharmacy-school-may-face-veto/news-breaking/
There was a school called tri state or tri city or something that applied for pre candidate status back in january but didn't get it. It is on the ACPE site. All these schools like St Joseph's and Harding and Concordia and D'Youville are going to make it harder in the job market. I can't wait to join some of the Pharmacy orgs so I can rile some people up. They need to stop opening up so many damn schools!
I applied.
I applied.
People, people calm down! We all can't be dean. One of you can be my secretary.
I'm going to apply because I am latina.![]()
racist...very funny...i'm latina here!
Well, booooo...you would get the job before me because of your experience 🙁 maybe I can be assistant Dean?![]()
When was the last medical school open?
For real.
When was the last medical school open?
- but as someone astute (forget who) pointed out on a thread a couple of months back, if so many weren't opening it would be a lot easier for drugstores to lobby successfully for a 'super-tech' position to replace pharmacists.
That is pretty much what is happening with med schools now: there are too few doctors coming out. As a result, other professions (most successfully the nursing lobby) have been incrementally chipping away at the medical field. There are 1001 other threads on this on SDN, but my point is this: without the artifically-imposed doctor shortage, the Allo forums would not be getting their panties in a bunch on a daily basis about "zomg teh midlevelz!!" The relative surplus of pharmacy schools might save us from a similar fate re. techs.
You can't compare nurse practitioners (master degree; some with doctoral degree) to techs (high school graduates).
Meh I think med schools have the opposite problem we do though. Sure there are too many pharmacy schools - but as someone astute (forget who) pointed out on a thread a couple of months back, if so many weren't opening it would be a lot easier for drugstores to lobby successfully for a 'super-tech' position to replace pharmacists.
That is pretty much what is happening with med schools now: there are too few doctors coming out. As a result, other professions (most successfully the nursing lobby) have been incrementally chipping away at the medical field. There are 1001 other threads on this on SDN, but my point is this: without the artifically-imposed doctor shortage, the Allo forums would not be getting their panties in a bunch on a daily basis about "zomg teh midlevelz!!"The relative surplus of pharmacy schools might save us from a similar fate re. techs.
you seem to forget, physicians can do so many procedures, operate cash only if they want. when given an option people choose a physician over a midlevel.
medicine has been around 2000 yrs and it isnt going anywhere anytime soon.
pharmacy is where it is today through politics. it is going to collapse just like the nurse anesthetists. their salaries are inflated right now but that will come crashing down hard. physicians will survive in the long run plain and simple.
Eh, as long as I get into a hospital job where I can stay til I retire, I don't care. They aren't going to decrease a salary you already have.
but you need to take into account inflation and the fact the US debt has increased along with increases in money printing.
think of the cost of a home 15 yrs ago, that same home's price was almost 5x as much today. think if your salary from 15 yrs ago never changed to keep up with inflation... you would never be able to afford most things you have.
but you need to take into account inflation and the fact the US debt has increased along with increases in money printing.
think of the cost of a home 15 yrs ago, that same home's price was almost 5x as much today. think if your salary from 15 yrs ago never changed to keep up with inflation... you would never be able to afford most things you have.
I love your negativity, it's great. 👎
15 years ago, my salary was $40,000 per year. In CA, it was around $60,000. Increase in salary wasn't due to raises rather salary adjustments because of competitive recruiting by retail chains. So the dramatic rise in pharmacist salary started in 1996 and about doubled in 10 years but it's really tapered off past 5 years.
We will not see that kind of salary increase again. It was an exception not the norm. I believe there are 2 reasons for this.
1. Real Estate bubble both residential and commercial that led to increased number of pharmacies. Wags and CVS rode this tide.
2. Increase in prescription volume.
This caused a dramatic shortage of pharmacists with 69 pharmacy school putting out a steady number of pharmacists. It didn't help that there were years when schools graduated no pharmacists due to PharmD conversion.
Technology and Mail Order will take care of the prescription volume. Now the expansion of store fronts have halted. In fact, Wags, CVS, and others will cut back on the store hours as prescription delivery system through technology advances.
Hospital pharmacy retroactively increased pharmacist salaries to keep up with retail. But this is now a moot point and really hasn't been talked about much past 5 years. Also, hospital inpatient business is declining with more emphasis on less hospitalization and more outpatient approach.
It takes a dramatic event to cause a significant change to our profession. Only way to survive this downturn of the profession is for us to provide revenue generating and valuable service that's in demand.
But quite frankly, PharmD education alone does not prepare pharmacists to provide that sort of service whatever that maybe. It certainly doesn't help that now we have 50 diploma mill schools cranking out PharmDs.
Silver lining? I will have no problem hiring qualified hospital pharmacists and I won't have to be at their mercy when it comes to expecting accountability. At the same time, if I ever go back to being a staff pharmacist, it will suck looking for a job.
So, what do we do about the diploma mills?
So, what do we do about the diploma mills?
First, you'd have to define "diploma mill." I'd say that there aren't many pharmacy schools that meet the definition of a diploma mill.
I think the term is being used as a perjorative to demean new schools, but is that really an accurate characterization?
Then, how do we get the accrediting body to limit the number of schools opening?
Then, how do we get the accrediting body to limit the number of schools opening?
you can't.
One way to limit the numer of practicing pharmacist is to implment a mandatory "resdency" requirement for licensure. then limit the residency space.