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I imagine a school can revoke your degree if there is serious evidence that you cheated to obtain it, and it didn't come to light until after you graduated. This policy will vary school to school.
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I'm thinking something serious like cheating or lying related to academics could force the school to revoke your degree (noncompletion of requirement). I'm not sure how much they'd be willing to do so for cheating to get into the school (lying on transcript, paying someone to take MCAT etc).
The option to revoke your medical license is always there.....although I've heard horror stories about how difficult it is for states to do that---especially since doctors could move from one state to another if they do something bad.
The option to revoke your medical license is always there.....although I've heard horror stories about how difficult it is for states to do that---especially since doctors could move from one state to another if they do something bad.
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Here is a crazy Idea. Think about crazy inacurate things before you say them.
"Not sure about the accuracy nor of the process."
Why would a residency program take a doctor who "can't practice medicine"?
To be a pathologist you have to be licensed to practice medicine.. .
The practice of medicine has to do with a state licensing you to practice medicine (not just IM vs pathology, radiology or anything else)
And before you say well I said no offense to pathologists,
I say this. "No offense to medical students but some of them don't know what the hell they are talking about"
See you aren't offended, cause I said no offense... 🙄
Pathologist aren't all anti-social trolls, just me.
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Look, WiscDoc is right on-djmd knows not whereof he speaks. Pathologists are social ******s, plus if they knew anything about patients, don't you think they would go into patient care? Besides, why do you think Thomas Harris made Hannibal Lecter a pathologist? It ain't because of his bedside manner. And don't forget Dr. Jack Kevorkian, the apogee of the medical profession.
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"revert" ? can you please define the word revert?
why is that "doctors who screw" revert to being a pathologist?
did you know pathology is its own vast specialty with its very own residency and specialty fellowships?
you can revert to a saved document --you dont revert to a profession
in fact people who have problems in other specialties would most certainly have MAJOR problems in pathology --since pathologists read so many biopsies, surgical specimens, cytologies per day while also running the laboratory including chemistry, hematology, microbiology, blood bank, molecular testing etc--ie numerous patients are impacted by a single pathologist daily --a meticulous attention to detail and extensive knowledge of medicine is standard/required
statements like the quoted above are really offensive to a lot of people-you cant really start out a statement by saying "no offense"and then say something offensive -this doesnt really fly with people in most situations
you should visit your medical laboratory, microbiology, the blood bank, or talk to the pathologists about your patients before you leap to these kinds of conclusions about a very important medical specialty
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The only cases I've heard of where an institution revoked an awarded degree involved evidence of identity theft -- ie someone attended and graduated med school on made up credentials or under someone else's name. Doesn't happen much and there are tons of safeguards to prevent it. It's why the MCAT and USMLE require photo IDs. It's also why some standardized tests (eg bar exams in law) require fingerprinting these days.
Licenses however can be revoked for lots of reasons, ranging from criminal activity, extreme cases of repeated malpractice, fraud, repeated failure to pass license maintenance exams, etc.
Hey dongblo ...sorry ....gunghore...... Lecter was a psychiatrist. If you are going to use Kevorkian to represent physicians that are a disgrace to their profession.... Why not mention the OBGYN that carved his initials onto his patients abdomen.... Or the countless internal medicine, surgery, and psychiatry docs that kill. Oh yeah and it takes more than being Dr. Jellyfinger to procalaim good bedside manner.
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My bad, methinks you are correct re: Dr. Lecter-though seems like something in the recesses of my factoid-besotted brain tells me he originally trained as a Pathologist, or some of his original work was thought by the authorities to be that of someone very familiar with anatomy, such as a Pathologist, or something. As to the remainder of your post, not so sure what "hey dongblo sorry gunghore" and "to procalin good bedside manner" means????
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To slander pathologists entirely as a group is really unprofessional. As a group pathologists are professionals dedicated to the health of every single patient in the hospital. Just try to practice medicine or surgery without caring and involved pathologists ensuring the safety and compatability of blood and other transfusion products, diagnosing leukemias and lymphomas, detecting cervical cancer in pap smears or advising surgeons on the adequacy of margins. Ask a radiation oncologist how much pathologists matter. Pathologists are sometimes called the doctor's doctor, because this specialty requires the absolute highest level of professionalism and communication. We are consultants to other physicians. Pathologists must master huge volumes of scientific and medical information, not only do we apply this to patient care, but many of us are involved in research and discovery advancing the entire medical field. You merely demonstrate your lack of professionalism by making those unfounded and uncharitable comments. I expect better from a Wisconsinite. Perhaps you should express your sentiments to Dr. Hart in the department of pathology at UW Madison, he'll set you straight.
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My undergraduate institution revoked a number of undergraduate degrees following a years long cheating scandal in an intro physics class. There was an essay requirement at the end of the course and a number of people had been caught using essays from previous students. The professor had essays from the last five years scanned and looked for identical paragraphs. The students who were found guilty and were still in school were dismissed, and the students who had graduated had their degrees revoked.
During my time working with honor I was not personally involved in any of the same issues with medical students, but those students fell under the same system.
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C'mon, be fair. First of all, it wasn't his initials, it was the initials of his alma mater (Kentucky, I believe). Second, it wasn't on the abdomen, it was on the uterus, which is why he was able to do it for so many years before anyone noticed. Finally, he was using a well-established technique of marking one side of the uterus to ensure proper orientation during the procedure; he just got a little too creative doing it.
Frankly, I never thought it was a big deal to begin with. But either way, he paid for it.
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Sadly, if everyone is talking about the same case, it was apparently not in the uterus but on the abdomen, and it was his initials, according to the NYTimes. Much harder to defend.😱 See http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpa...cs/Organizations/B/Beth Israel Medical Center
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It's because we know about patients that we don't go into direct patient care, my dear boy.
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Sorry to have offended you, but these boards are (to some extent) a way for med students to vent and share ideas, and CORRECT things that they have heard. I am glad you stepped in and corrected the "rumor" that I was told by another M1. And for the record, I think pathologists are cool 🙂 .
P.S. no offense taken, I actually agree that there is a lot that med students don't know, that's why we are STUDENTS still.
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the pathology statement is off base// I looked to see if you are premed!
[its hard to get a reliable source, unless it is the pathologist..]
docs who screw as you say and CANT practice most likely get depressed.
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Well, sorry to have offended so many people, never the intention. I respect all medical fields and don't think any are "unimportant." I never meant it that way. I was just trying to share a story I heard about a week ago - another M1 told me his father's friend, both doctors, did some kind of error on the job (screwed up is what I meant, not just screwed), and since he was no longer allowed to see patients, he started working in pathology. the reason I posted that here was NOT to belittle pathology or anything, it was just to get a response, and see if there is any merit to that (or maybe that x-doc is working as a path tech?).
Sorry again to all the pathologists, and for the record, I just had a histo exam today and I think histo rocks (so pathology might be in the cards for me)!
Sorry again to all the pathologists, and for the record, I just had a histo exam today and I think histo rocks (so pathology might be in the cards for me)!
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This is a different case, a Dr. Michael Giller. He marked a uterus with UK as an orientation aid before removing it. He then gave a videotape to the patient (he was OVIOUSLY trying to hide it... 🙂 ) and when they saw him do it on the tape they sued. Hindsight is 20/20, and I can see how a patient might find it insensitive, but if I were a colleague of his and I knew about it, I probably wouldn't have given it a second thought. Now, if he were branding organs intended to remain in the patient.... that would be a different story.
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Either way, it's probably best not to carve letters of any kind into any part of your patient.
Haha. It's hard to be any more truthful that this..
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Good job pushing around the med student by subtley implying that you will report him to his administration for comments made on a semi-anonymous message board. Feel like a big man now?
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Where exactly did he threaten to "report" him?
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I believe you're confusing his MD with his medical license.
In any case, my alma mater apparently revoked a graduate's diploma after they stumbled across some fraud/cheating that he committed while in school. Pretty rough, but I'm sure it can happen.
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Here:
"You merely demonstrate your lack of professionalism by making those unfounded and uncharitable comments. I expect better from a Wisconsinite. Perhaps you should express your sentiments to Dr. Hart in the department of pathology at UW Madison, he'll set you straight."
He says that he lacks professionalism, says that he is not living up to the standard of his school, then names one of the MSIs esteemed faculty, with the statement that if he were aware of said comments he would be "set straight".
The implication is unmistakable. Bullying in the guise of skillful rhetoric is still bullying.
BTW: For all the premeds who didn't know it already, every time you make a statement about pathology in these forums that isn't glowingly positive, a thread pops up in the Pathology forum to make everyone aware of your heresy. That's why you suddenly have a half-dozen pathology residents trying to stare down an MSI. Just so you know.
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How does that equal a threat to report him/her? 😕 He never implied that he would tell anyone anything.
Where's the bullying? 😕 WiscDoc made a baseless and tactless statement and pathdoc responded to clarify. So what if he knows faculty at UW Madison? What is he going to do? Demand that Dr. Hart find out who WiscDoc is and fail him/her for disparaging Pathology?
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Well, the thing to say is that if you hear an unfounded rumor, you probably shouldn't pass it along as if it's the truth. As you can see, you make people angry when you do that. 🙂
Also, I doubt a physician who got in trouble somehow would be allowed to practice as a licensed pathologist -- if you lose your license, you can't practice medicine period, which includes pathology. Perhaps he found a job in a lab but was not an actual pathologist.
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This is rediculous.
Breaking the rules of your medical school will get you kicked out of med school, or your degree stripped from you.
Breaking the rules of your resident contract (Step3, moonlighting, patient confidentiality,...) will get you separated from the residency
Breaking the rules or laws of the state which grants your licence to practice medicine will result in your liscene being revoked.
Pathologists train for five years at a minimum, longer than your garden variety Internist. They are licensed to do what they do. Behind every diagnosis of cancer, anemia, infection, or anything else that involves a sample of tissue, blood, urine, or a swab, is a pathologist. Behind every blood transfusion or cancer treatment plan is a patholgist.
Why would anyone not want to be a pathologist and not a clinican? Because people are *****s.
Breaking the rules of your medical school will get you kicked out of med school, or your degree stripped from you.
Breaking the rules of your resident contract (Step3, moonlighting, patient confidentiality,...) will get you separated from the residency
Breaking the rules or laws of the state which grants your licence to practice medicine will result in your liscene being revoked.
Pathologists train for five years at a minimum, longer than your garden variety Internist. They are licensed to do what they do. Behind every diagnosis of cancer, anemia, infection, or anything else that involves a sample of tissue, blood, urine, or a swab, is a pathologist. Behind every blood transfusion or cancer treatment plan is a patholgist.
Why would anyone not want to be a pathologist and not a clinican? Because people are *****s.
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Yes it is. No one should get to the med school level without being able to spell ridiculous.🙂
(I wouldn't nitpick, but along with "pneumonic" this misspelling is one of the rampant ones on SDN).
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No, he actually recommended that he go speak with a pathologist at his medical school in order to be "set straight." That's a far cry from threatening to "report him" to said faculty member.
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As are "their," "there," and "they're."
Likewise, you can be a "shoo-in" (i.e. being quickly taken in), but you can't be a "shoe-in," though you can get a "shoe in the door" (an old delaying tactic of aggressive door-to-door salesmen).
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Patently untrue. There are plenty of reasons to rip on pathology, LADoc00 (a a pathology attending) does it all the time. We're just asking for accuracy, which is almost always severely lacking in the uninformed criticisms that propagate on these forums.
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Or..."that last micro exam didn't faze me..." instead of the erroneous "phase " (this is one of my personal favorites).
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Wow, it's been some time since I've seen a thread with so much adolescent behavior and incomprehensible usage(then again, it's been a while since I ventured on to SDN, what with things like ANATOMY and BIOCHEM and such that take up valuable time).
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Was that UVa, by chance? My PI (he went there) told me about a story like that, but I couldn't find the details on it.
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That's the one I was familiar with. I certainly think it was juvenile, but he was REMOVING the organ. What does it matter if there's a few letters scratched onto a piece of tissue?
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I agree. Carving your initials on the outside of the patient, as in the case in the NYTimes article is much more over the top.
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Patently untrue?
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=460728
Note the OP on that thread....
BTW, pathology sux. I look forward to my thread. Make it vicious!!
Dongblo and gunghore..... these were amusing plays on your username.
Most medical students spend a full year in pathology. This is generally the most important basic science course in medical school. So it is likely that Dr. Lecter knew his pathology.
Pathology residency is best kept secret out there. While you tools do your DRE, NG tubes, and great "bed side manner" consults ... we sleep in our own beds and do some seeeeeeerrrious banging. Then we go to the bank with all that cash..... cchchchchchchiiiiiinnnng chchchchiiiinnnng.
Enjoy those bed side mannerish examinations and don't get to Gungho with the KY before your DRE...... sweet pea.....
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Maybe she wanted to keep her uterus in a jar of formaldehyde and show it off and the precious tissue was no longer displayable after such graffeti?
Or maybe she was just looking to make some cash and she realized that she could probably sue the doctor for some $$$. Clever.
Personally, I would have found it hilarious, had I been the patient, but I would have ragged on him for not putting my school's initials on there.
Also - I like to use the spelling RE-diculous to emphasize that something is incredibly ridiculous. Example - that anatomy exam was rediculous!!! J/k... but honestly, I am not a very good speller and I blame using MS word and its autocorrect for my inability to spell. I type it in incorrectly and my computer fixes it without me even knowing it was wrong. I feel that many others in my age group who grew up typing all their school reports instead of them being hand-written have the same issue, although there isn't much excuse for the inappropriate usages of "there, their, and they're" except we're tired and have better things to do other than make sure we've used proper grammar.
Except me... b/c why else would I be wasting so much time writting this response? It may have something to do with next week being exam week...
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I think the rise in popularity of "instant message" programs (AOL IM, ICQ, MSN, Yahoo, etc.) back in 1996/1997 had something to do with it as well. People tend to type in shorthand, and no one bothers to correct them.
This also happens nowadays with cell phones and text messaging.
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Perhaps. But folks should be careful. Nothing makes a professional look more stupid than an inability to spell. You can be the smartest doctor -- "the" expert in your field, but if you cannot spell basic things like ridicuous or mnemonic, even the slowest med student is going to think you are a bit dim. You quickly get a reputation. In my prior career, on more than one instance I heard secretaries broadcasting to others about how they have to fix every piece of correspondence written by XYZ attorney. It's hard for such a person not to get a bad workplace rep amongst his peers in such case. You don't want this.
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Patently untrue that everyone has to be permanently glowing in their assessment of pathology. Snide remarks are made all the time, but they usually have at least a grain of truth. WiscDoc's comments were so far off base that I just had to share.
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Pathology does suck at times. Sorry to disappoint, but your own thread won't be forthcoming.
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Yes it was. I wouldn't have been able to share any details except for the fact so much was reported in our local newspaper and even nationally. This all happened in 2002 if I recall correctly.
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Dear Jeeves (and Gut Shot),Dongblo and gunghore..... these were amusing plays on your username.
Most medical students spend a full year in pathology. This is generally the most important basic science course in medical school. So it is likely that Dr. Lecter knew his pathology.
Pathology residency is best kept secret out there. While you tools do your DRE, NG tubes, and great "bed side manner" consults ... we sleep in our own beds and do some seeeeeeerrrious banging. Then we go to the bank with all that cash..... cchchchchchchiiiiiinnnng chchchchiiiinnnng.
Enjoy those bed side mannerish examinations and don't get to Gungho with the KY before your DRE...... sweet pea.....
Please see: 1) LADoc00 @ http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=460728
2) Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary: sarcasm-a sharp and often satirical utterance designed to cut (well, maybe it was weak).
FYI, I am PGY-4 in Pathology and spent a number of years in Family Medicine.
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Exactly. Probably because as a professional, the content of any written message you give will not be understandable by all (you're the expert), but most people can find simple grammatical and spelling errors.
And to get this thread back on track, so far the path guys have been consistently our best teachers, so they can't all have bad people skills.
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You misunderstood me and I resent your insulting tone. I believe UW is one of the finest institutions in the world. I have the utmost respect for the medical educators at UW. They have top notch dedicated, kind and caring pathology professors who serve as role models for students. I merely suggested that the Wisconsin based poster talk to a pathologist whom I highly respect as a role model for medical students. As he is a very intelligent, articulate, compassionate, kind, soft spoken, and patient individual. You completely misunderstood. BTW I am thousands of miles away from Madison right now.
