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OP,

Need more deets.
GPA 3.2+ with a 500+ MCAT should get you in somewhere.

DO schools are all about the well-rounded student.
What about your EC's? DO letters? Volunteering and clinical work?

This isn't just about numbers.
 
DO schools really run the gamut as far as GPA is concerned.

The newest, scariest DO schools have GPA matriculant averages in the 3.1-3.3 range.
The average/upper-middle DO schools have GPA matriculant averages closer to a 3.5.
The top DO schools are living around a 3.65-3.75.

Pick your battles based on your current GPA. Unless you're under a 3.0, your chances at DO are not awful depending on your school list. Just be realistic. Don't apply to the likes of DMU with a 3.1 and a 501.
 
Isoval said:
DO schools really run the gamut as far as GPA is concerned.

The newest, scariest DO schools have GPA matriculant averages in the 3.1-3.3 range.
The average/upper-middle DO schools have GPA matriculant averages closer to a 3.5.
The top DO schools are living around a 3.65-3.75.

Pick your battles based on your current GPA. Unless you're under a 3.0, your chances at DO are not awful depending on your school list. Just be realistic. Don't apply to the likes of DMU with a 3.1 and a 501.
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With the newer ones, if someone is interested in internal medicine/family, would there be a drawback in attending one of these schools? Would there be a chance you would not match like it is attending a Caribbean?
 
smartwater9698 said:
With the newer ones, if someone is interested in internal medicine/family, would there be a drawback in attending one of these schools? Would there be a chance you would not match like it is attending a Caribbean?
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@Goro used to not recommend William Carrey because of their low match rates (sub-90%), not sure if this is fixed now. I believe LMU-DCOM is a similar story.

Even the worst of the worst DO schools is a better option than Caribbean, to be sure.
 
Isoval said:
@Goro used to not recommend William Carrey because of their low match rates (sub-90%), not sure if this is fixed now. I believe LMU-DCOM is a similar story.

Even the worst of the worst DO schools is a better option than Caribbean, to be sure.
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I still can't recommend WCU.

Here are the schools on my Bad Boy list:
Nova: three of the four last years have declining first-time COMLEX pass rates. They're now at ~85% and on top of this, some 7% of their 2018 grads failed to match. This was the second worst match rate among all the COMs (only WCU did worse). These are things you expect from a new school, not a veteran. Something is very wrong there.

Wm Carey: VERY high attrition rates and only a 92% placement rate for their Class of 2018. That means 8% of their grads are now unemployed, NOT doing residency. No SOAP, no scramble, no TRI. This is simply NOT acceptable. I expect they'll be put on probation very soon.

Touro-NY: Poor COMLEX II pass rates; unethical behavior in how they dealt with an overbooking issue three years ago.

LUCOM: I have a profound distaste for the politics of their parent organization; their Faculty make blatant attempts to twist facts to match their theology.

From the wise gyngyn: Liberty is poorly regarded due to the history of intolerance of their founding fathers. This school's reputation for intolerance puts its grads at a disadvantage at many reputable residency programs.

LMU: granted continuing Accreditation with Heightened Monitoring. “Accreditation with Heightened Monitoring: This indicates that fewer than three standards are non-compliant and ongoing monitoring will occur via progress reporting. For schools with this status, accreditation will be granted for four years.”

This is the only COM that has this level of accreditation status right now.

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Goro said:
I still can't recommend WCU.

Here are the schools on my Bad Boy list:
Nova: three of the four last years have declining first-time COMLEX pass rates. They're now at ~85% and on top of this, some 7% of their 2018 grads failed to match. This was the second worst match rate among all the COMs (only WCU did worse). These are things you expect from a new school, not a veteran. Something is very wrong there.

Wm Carey: VERY high attrition rates and only a 92% placement rate for their Class of 2018. That means 8% of their grads are now unemployed, NOT doing residency. No SOAP, no scramble, no TRI. This is simply NOT acceptable. I expect they'll be put on probation very soon.

Touro-NY: Poor COMLEX II pass rates; unethical behavior in how they dealt with an overbooking issue three years ago.

LUCOM: I have a profound distaste for the politics of their parent organization; their Faculty make blatant attempts to twist facts to match their theology.

From the wise gyngyn: Liberty is poorly regarded due to the history of intolerance of their founding fathers. This school's reputation for intolerance puts its grads at a disadvantage at many reputable residency programs.

LMU: granted continuing Accreditation with Heightened Monitoring. “Accreditation with Heightened Monitoring: This indicates that fewer than three standards are non-compliant and ongoing monitoring will occur via progress reporting. For schools with this status, accreditation will be granted for four years.”

This is the only COM that has this level of accreditation status right now.

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Thanks for stopping by 😉
 
I'll be matriculating this summer after having a sub 2.0 GPA my freshman year, followed by a 3.7 in the remaining ~90 hours to end with a 3.2 cGPA/sGPA, 514 MCAT. It can be done 🙂 (all credit to @Goro btw haha)
 
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Isoval said:
DO schools really run the gamut as far as GPA is concerned.

The newest, scariest DO schools have GPA matriculant averages in the 3.1-3.3 range.
The average/upper-middle DO schools have GPA matriculant averages closer to a 3.5.
The top DO schools are living around a 3.65-3.75.

Pick your battles based on your current GPA. Unless you're under a 3.0, your chances at DO are not awful depending on your school list. Just be realistic. Don't apply to the likes of DMU with a 3.1 and a 501.
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The 3.1-3.3 matriculant doesn’t always indicate a poor student. Lots of these students are non-trad, and faced something in their first year of college which caused their grades to plummet, then they have an upward trend of 3.5+ maintained over several years, but that earlier gpa is difficult to overcome, and 3.1-3.3 is just as high as they can achieve, all things considered.
 
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Moocille said:
The 3.1-3.3 matriculant doesn’t always indicate a poor student. Lots of these students are non-trad, and faced something in their first year of college which caused their grades to plummet, then they have an upward trend of 3.5+ maintained over several years, but that earlier gpa is difficult to overcome, and 3.1-3.3 is just as high as they can achieve, all things considered.
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All I said the schools on the bottom end are scary, a la LMU, TouroNY, WmCarrey, and the like.

I did not imply, nor did I mean, that the 3.1 student was inherently worse than the 3.7 student.
 
~3.3 cgpa with a 510 MCAT here (lowest gpa in first 2 years, upward trend from there), with postbac classes spread over 2.5 yrs post grad, 6 II total: 4MDs, 2 DOs. Matriculating at an MD, while waiting on 2 MD decisions. Had some unusual ECs, but I feel that if your gpa is on the lower side, you need an upward trend, a decent MCAT score, good ECs, and a "story" to tie your app together. A lot of people neglect this, but FIT is one of the most important things when you apply, so make sure you think about your experiences and what story you want to tell to the ADCOMs as you craft your school list

bottom line: you can do it
 
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kuzy said:
I'll be matriculating this summer after having a sub 2.0 GPA my freshman year, followed by a 3.7 in the remaining ~90 hours to end with a 3.2 cGPA/sGPA, 514 MCAT. It can be done 🙂 (all credit to @Goro btw haha)
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Congrats! Thats big time, and good luck!
 
Long-timer lurker, first post. Recent return applicant here and a bit of an outlier (age 42), so any assistance would be appreciated. The last time I applied was in 2002, at which time I had a 32R MCAT score (if that means anything to you). Bad divorce with a small child, who is now 20. Had always hoped to resume pursuit of medicine and I somehow managed a 510 this spring (after 17 years away from the material). AMCAS estimates my undergraduate BCPM at a 3.12 with a total undergraduate cumulative GPA at 3.36. Postgraduate GPA (in nursing) was a 3.7, and graduate GPA (also nursing) is a 3.9. I am a nurse practitioner and have been working in the field full time as a prescribing clinician for the last 5 years (10k hours). In the interval since my last application attempt, I raised a child and completed aforementioned programs. Most of my ECs are hobbies, as I was a single parent while pursuing the rest. My LizzyM score is a 64.6. Trying to get a feel of where all I should apply. Should I be focusing more on DO schools? In-state schools only? Any thoughts and recommendations would be welcome.
 
Moocille said:
The 3.1-3.3 matriculant doesn’t always indicate a poor student. Lots of these students are non-trad, and faced something in their first year of college which caused their grades to plummet, then they have an upward trend of 3.5+ maintained over several years, but that earlier gpa is difficult to overcome, and 3.1-3.3 is just as high as they can achieve, all things considered.
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I fall into this demographic.

3.3 cgpa, 3.1 sgpa 504 mcat
upward trend 3.7+ 60 units

1 DO acceptance in the 2018-2019 cycle
 
Ragtime said:
I fall into this demographic.

3.3 cgpa, 3.1 sgpa 504 mcat
upward trend 3.7+ 60 units

1 DO acceptance in the 2018-2019 cycle
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Congrats on the acceptance! I'm fairly similar to you in terms of trends and stats and was wondering how many schools you applied to last cycle and how many IIs you received?
 
UG: 3.1 cGPA, 3.05 sGPA, 29R MCAT (506), GPA tanked sophomore and junior years
Grad school: 3.8 GPA, MCAT retake was 28 then 29 (old one expired, composite MCAT was 32, ~512 on new scale)

First cycle: senior year- 15 MD and 5-10 DO applications, 2 DO interviews, rejections
Second cycle: second year of grad school: 25 MD apps, 10-15 DO apps, 0 interviews (had to take a medical leave and schools didn't want to take the risk on me, told by many to reapply after finishing grad school)
Third cycle: 30MD apps, 15 DO apps, 1MD ii, 2 DO ii's, accepted to a DO school and withdrew the other 2 ii's and all other apps except 4 at that time (mid-November)

About to start PGY-2 at my top ranked program in my desired field.
 
Stagg737 said:
UG: 3.1 cGPA, 3.05 sGPA, 29R MCAT (506), GPA tanked sophomore and junior years
Grad school: 3.8 GPA, MCAT retake was 28 then 29 (old one expired, composite MCAT was 32, ~512 on new scale)

First cycle: senior year- 15 MD and 5-10 DO applications, 2 DO interviews, rejections
Second cycle: second year of grad school: 25 MD apps, 10-15 DO apps, 0 interviews (had to take a medical leave and schools didn't want to take the risk on me, told by many to reapply after finishing grad school)
Third cycle: 30MD apps, 15 DO apps, 1MD ii, 2 DO ii's, accepted to a DO school and withdrew the other 2 ii's and all other apps except 4 at that time (mid-November)

About to start PGY-2 at my top ranked program in my desired field.
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Why were you applying to MD with a 506?
 
hungrydoc710 said:
Why were you applying to MD with a 506?
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On the old MCAT a 29 was a reasonable score for MD schools and my EC's were pretty strong. 10th percentile for all MD matriculants used to be around 27 and there were actually a number of schools for which a 29 was above the mean. The scale has changed pretty significantly and conversions aren't really very accurate imo (they just look at equivalent percentiles) since the actual test has changed pretty significantly. So it wasn't really applying MD with a 506 since the conversions don't really have very good validity.

To give you an idea of the differences according to percentiles though, average MCAT score was ~24.5 (498), average DO matriculant was ~26 (~500/501), and the average MD matriculant was ~31 (~510). You can see the conversions aren't really that great, but a 2 point difference on the old MCAT wasn't really a big deal and my composite was above the national average (which a few schools looked at). Also, a 506 is the 73rd percentile while 510 is only 83rd percentile (not a massive jump), so not great but also not low enough that I'd tell someone to forgo MD applications altogether (should definitely be applying to plenty of DO schools as well though).

Also my pre-med adviser was god-awful and said I was competitive for MD schools that I probably shouldn't have bothered with, even with my terrible GPA. I also had several MD schools tell me after my second cycle that they would have interviewed me if I hadn't had to take medical leave, but I withdrew my app at most of those schools once I had an acceptance in hand.
 
SLC said:
UG: 2.8, 3.1 sGPA, 30M MCAT. Applied 2010 and got accepted to my target school immediately.

Had very very good EC portfolio, which I think helped.

Performed above average as a medical student and resident.

Am an attending now.
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Lol damn wish I was applying a decade ago.. whatever here now
Wishing much luck to the future applicants
 
3.1 GPA 516 MCAT w/ a strong upward trend.

Multiple DO II and acceptances. Current MS3 at an MD school.
It's not a myth, there are schools that reward reinvention but you will have to put in the work to earn it. I'm not sure what your situation is OP, but in my experience DO schools are very willing to look at the whole picture, as are several MD schools.

My favorite thread for some added encouragement
 
BBQisgood4u said:
Congrats on the acceptance! I'm fairly similar to you in terms of trends and stats and was wondering how many schools you applied to last cycle and how many IIs you received?
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thank you!!

i applied to 14 schools total, got 3 interviews, then cancelled 2 of them after I got my acceptance.

good luck to you!
 
holdthemayo said:
3.1 GPA 516 MCAT w/ a strong upward trend.

Multiple DO II and acceptances. Current MS3 at an MD school.
It's not a myth, there are schools that reward reinvention but you will have to put in the work to earn it. I'm not sure what your situation is OP, but in my experience DO schools are very willing to look at the whole picture, as are several MD schools.

My favorite thread for some added encouragement
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GPA: 3.1 cGpa 3.3 sGpa (upward trend past year and a half having a GPA of no less than 3.5) Graduation date set for next spring
Ethnicity: South Asian
Residence: Florida
MCAT: 512
EC related to medicine: Medical scribe- 1000 +hours, Shadowing: Internal Medicine (MD): 50 hours, Anesthesiologist (DO): 50 Hours
EC non medicine related: 200 hours volunteering at my local homeless shelter, NCAA student athlete for 1 year, tutored Organic chemistry for the past 2 years
Research: 250 hours of research, paper published, and presented at 2 conferences one in Washington DC and one at my University.
Working: Worked part time to pay for my school related fees as well (do not know how much weight this will hold)
LOR: 2 professors (physics/organic chemistry), 1 research, and 2 physicians one DO and one MD.
 
TheAveragePreMed said:
GPA: 3.1 cGpa 3.3 sGpa (upward trend past year and a half having a GPA of no less than 3.5) Graduation date set for next spring
Ethnicity: South Asian
Residence: Florida
MCAT: 512
EC related to medicine: Medical scribe- 1000 +hours, Shadowing: Internal Medicine (MD): 50 hours, Anesthesiologist (DO): 50 Hours
EC non medicine related: 200 hours volunteering at my local homeless shelter, NCAA student athlete for 1 year, tutored Organic chemistry for the past 2 years
Research: 250 hours of research, paper published, and presented at 2 conferences one in Washington DC and one at my University.
Working: Worked part time to pay for my school related fees as well (do not know how much weight this will hold)
LOR: 2 professors (physics/organic chemistry), 1 research, and 2 physicians one DO and one MD.
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You are going to have a good application cycle. You are very competitive at every DO school and should receive a ton of II. I think you have a shot at MD schools as well, just apply smart. Congratulations on turning things around the past few years.
 
Dave TN said:
Long-timer lurker, first post. Recent return applicant here and a bit of an outlier (age 42), so any assistance would be appreciated. The last time I applied was in 2002, at which time I had a 32R MCAT score (if that means anything to you). Bad divorce with a small child, who is now 20. Had always hoped to resume pursuit of medicine and I somehow managed a 510 this spring (after 17 years away from the material). AMCAS estimates my undergraduate BCPM at a 3.12 with a total undergraduate cumulative GPA at 3.36. Postgraduate GPA (in nursing) was a 3.7, and graduate GPA (also nursing) is a 3.9. I am a nurse practitioner and have been working in the field full time as a prescribing clinician for the last 5 years (10k hours). In the interval since my last application attempt, I raised a child and completed aforementioned programs. Most of my ECs are hobbies, as I was a single parent while pursuing the rest. My LizzyM score is a 64.6. Trying to get a feel of where all I should apply. Should I be focusing more on DO schools? In-state schools only? Any thoughts and recommendations would be welcome.
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Good luck from a fellow nurse (not NP ) in the process! You will be an awesome doctor.


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Dave TN said:
Long-timer lurker, first post. Recent return applicant here and a bit of an outlier (age 42), so any assistance would be appreciated. The last time I applied was in 2002, at which time I had a 32R MCAT score (if that means anything to you). Bad divorce with a small child, who is now 20. Had always hoped to resume pursuit of medicine and I somehow managed a 510 this spring (after 17 years away from the material). AMCAS estimates my undergraduate BCPM at a 3.12 with a total undergraduate cumulative GPA at 3.36. Postgraduate GPA (in nursing) was a 3.7, and graduate GPA (also nursing) is a 3.9. I am a nurse practitioner and have been working in the field full time as a prescribing clinician for the last 5 years (10k hours). In the interval since my last application attempt, I raised a child and completed aforementioned programs. Most of my ECs are hobbies, as I was a single parent while pursuing the rest. My LizzyM score is a 64.6. Trying to get a feel of where all I should apply. Should I be focusing more on DO schools? In-state schools only? Any thoughts and recommendations would be welcome.
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Your MCAT is competitive for MD and DO, your BCPM and cumulative GPA is concerning though for MD schools, as graduate GPA is not counted. I think that your chance for DO schools are high, and you can be competitive at certain MD schools that reward reinvention for sure. I would definitely focus more on DO schools. My stats can be used for your reference as well, as I apply to both MD and DO schools.
 
Decided to reply in the same format as that other thread, but I'd rather keep it here in pre-DO.

1. Your age and GPA and MCAT if you have it:
Late 20s when I applied.
Applied with a final Undergrad+post-bac AACOMAS cGPA of ~3.1 and sGPA of ~2.85 and AMCAS of something like 2.9/2.7. MCAT in the mid-30s (>515 equivalent score)

2. Your financial and work situation:
Had some money saved up from working in industry and research. Worked part time/on the side throughout the time of my post-bac. Both myself and my wife had a supporting family that was generally always there in the event of an emergency, which fortunately rarely happened. With the money we (spouse and myself) saved, I was able to pay for a lot of med school tuition in MS1-2 to minimize loans, and it was especially helpful going to one of the least expensive private med schools in the country.

3. Your family and significant other situation:
Fiance --> wife during that period. No kids yet. My spouse was getting a modest grad student stipend at the time of the post-bac, spent some time while in med school out of work, but then started at a new job (5-figures) in the last 1-1.5 yrs of med schools. First child in med school, second in residency.

4. Your plan or your path to success:
Undergrad GPA total of <2.5 (bad Sophomore and Junior years, followed by 3.5 for rest) with some real sciences in there. Worked in research and a different profession for years, then did a DIY post-bac for 2 yrs with a 3.85 GPA taking all science/pre-reqs and advanced science courses as well as working towards a combined certificate in Medical Ethics/History of Science and Medicine. Working part-time in research and the other profession for at least part of the post-bac. Didn't finish the certificate due to not being able to complete one specific course due to availability (course was always full prior to being able to register for it as a post-bac student and was only offered 1 semester a year), plus I got into med school.

I had a lot of ECs, including lots of volunteering, leadership experience, community organizing, unrelated work experience, research with multiple publications, all in high numbers spread across the 10 year period of undergrad->work->post-bac.

Rushed the MCAT, due to timing of application season and wedding. Studied for a few weeks and got the score I wanted, but should have taken it earlier, studied for longer, and applied to med school earlier in the season. Applied late for med school (primary in August after MCAT score came back, secondaries by early Sept). Applied broadly to US MD, DO, and Carib MD (applied Big-4+AUA only, completed secondaries for Ross and SGU only, interviewed for both and was accepted to both). Had no real state MD schools (a couple "public" schools but none with >50% IS students and 1 is top-15 MD school). Had no connections to other states with less competitive MD schools. Interviewed at 2 US MD schools and 4 DO schools, withdrew apps from all other DO schools after getting the first acceptance from desired DO school, and ended up on 2 post-interview MD waitlists. Never got off the MD waitlists and matriculated at my desired DO school.

Did OK in med school. Lots of family loss throughout that time, and considered myself very fortunate to have the flexibility I did with my school location/schedule. Did OK on Steps. First child born in med school. Applied to my desired field and a backup. Had tons of interview invites (more than I expected). Matched in desired field. Currently in residency there, and have an unrestricted/permanent medical license now, so that's nice. Second child born in intern year (wouldn't recommend it).

Looking back, I don't think things would have been better/different had I gone MD. I'm very glad I didn't go Carib MD, because I know many people that did and outcomes were 50/50 - half making it to residency but having a tough and prolonged time (spending 5-6 yrs in med school/applying to residency) and half getting kicked out midway through or not placing in residency.

Its a tough, at times painful, and long road, but I love my work. In retrospect, I'd probably do it again, but maybe save a bit more time and start a bit younger. I think residency would be easier if I were younger.

There is a path, but everyone's life is so different that its a big decision that each one of us needs to make to figure out if its worth it.
 
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kuzy said:
I'll be matriculating this summer after having a sub 2.0 GPA my freshman year, followed by a 3.7 in the remaining ~90 hours to end with a 3.2 cGPA/sGPA, 514 MCAT. It can be done 🙂 (all credit to @Goro btw haha)
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what are your study tips for mcat and books? congrats too!!
 
3.05 cGPA with strong upward trend after reinvention. 514 MCAT. 2 MD acceptances and a bunch of DO invites. One of the MDs was my #1 choice so I pulled out of everywhere else. Unique life experiences but little patient exposure (100 hours or so) and little shadowing (30 hours). Decent ECs other than that.
 
acstylin said:
3.05 cGPA with strong upward trend after reinvention. 514 MCAT. 2 MD acceptances and a bunch of DO invites. One of the MDs was my #1 choice so I pulled out of everywhere else. Unique life experiences but little patient exposure (100 hours or so) and little shadowing (30 hours). Decent ECs other than that.
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I’m in a similar situation for next cycle! Do you mind sharing the MD schools you applied to?
 
kuzy said:
I'll be matriculating this summer after having a sub 2.0 GPA my freshman year, followed by a 3.7 in the remaining ~90 hours to end with a 3.2 cGPA/sGPA, 514 MCAT. It can be done 🙂 (all credit to @Goro btw haha)
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Stumbled upon this old thread. I have nearly identical (stats cGPA: 3.27, AAMC sGPA: 3.03, AACOMAS sGPA: 3.33, MCAT 514) after ~90 credits of 3.9. I'm making my school list now and having trouble deciding which schools to add. What did yours look like? How successful was your cycle? I can PM if you want.
 
kenykj49 said:
Stumbled upon this old thread. I have nearly identical (stats cGPA: 3.27, AAMC sGPA: 3.03, AACOMAS sGPA: 3.33, MCAT 514) after ~90 credits of 3.9. I'm making my school list now and having trouble deciding which schools to add. What did yours look like? How successful was your cycle? I can PM if you want.
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Not sure if you’ve seen my story or not but I’ll tag you in my post.
 
acstylin said:
3.05 cGPA with strong upward trend after reinvention. 514 MCAT. 2 MD acceptances and a bunch of DO invites. One of the MDs was my #1 choice so I pulled out of everywhere else. Unique life experiences but little patient exposure (100 hours or so) and little shadowing (30 hours). Decent ECs other than that.
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acstylin said:
3.05 cGPA with strong upward trend after reinvention. 514 MCAT. 2 MD acceptances and a bunch of DO invites. One of the MDs was my #1 choice so I pulled out of everywhere else. Unique life experiences but little patient exposure (100 hours or so) and little shadowing (30 hours). Decent ECs other than that.
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I am new here. Can I send you a personal message about the MD schools you applied to?
 
Fugeredenton said:
I am new here. Can I send you a personal message about the MD schools you applied to?
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Sure but I don’t know if I’m the right person for advice in this arena. I kind of just picked places where I’d like to raise my family and where my MCAT matched with a few reach schools in there too.
 
acstylin said:
Sure but I don’t know if I’m the right person for advice in this arena. I kind of just picked places where I’d like to raise my family and where my MCAT matched with a few reach schools in there too.
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No problem! I have a 2 year old daughter and my wife just finished her radiology tech program so we are kind of in the same situation.
 
I didn't get a great education and most of what I learned was due to getting into a good residency.

During med school I rotated at one or two DO residencies that took anyone and there were senior medicine residents who didn't know how to read imaging, run maintenance fluids, appropriate urine output, dose insulin, run codes...I also remember a case where a pt came in with chest pain, and I was reading the resident note and it began with the very pertinent detail of how they kept their hairbrush in the top drawer and were using Q-tips the morning of said chest pain....this is just stuff I remember. My classmates who went into medicine and trained at DO residencies said because there was some sort of kickback contractual arrangement between the medical school and hospital, it was very hard to get rid of a know-nothing resident. I suppose if you're looking to cruise this probably sounds awesome. Anyways, quite the adventure.
 
I had a sub 3.0 and received DO acceptances (above average MCAT). My close friend with similar stats and 3.1 GPA/516 mcat got acceptances to CCOM, DMU, and KCU.
 
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