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Gandy741 said:
Errrrr... That's not a 65 Lizzy m lol. Even if we bump up the stats to 28 and 3.5 (which is very generous for 1 cycle difference). Then that's a 35+28= 63 and you actually have to subtract 1 from that number so pcom ga would have a 62. No DO school has a 65 LizzyM

The 1 subtract is part of her formula which you left out and even if you didn't its still 63. This is assuming a very generous bump which is probably not the 2015 incoming class profile of pcom ga anyways
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I was unaware of this -1 part of the formula. Anyway, I would assume schools like CCOM, Touro NY and CA, AZCOM, etc. have lizzym scores now that are around 64-65, and most schools being around 60 (again, the above list is outdated). And the OP has one of 55, right? So my point was that, I personally, would not feel comfortable applying with those stats. I would want my stats to be at least at or above average for the lowest stat schools to feel comfortable.
 
ATL.F.Doc said:
lol, I am actually telling you what I was told by 4th year student, she is working with the DO I am shadowing.
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I am concerned that a 4th year medical student is not able to use basic algebra. I am assuming this student is just misinformed and would be able to deduce what I have posted given the proper information
 
mathnerd88 said:
Stats don't increase dramatically that much over a couple of years. I believe at most it would be like 1 or 2 LizzyM points MAX.
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Yes, it is. believe it or not, there are a lot of students who can not get into MD schools. DO schools will become more competitive just as MD schools within the next couple years. Specially, after the new mcat.
 
TheoryOfEverything said:
I was unaware of this -1 part of the formula. Anyway, I would assume schools like CCOM, Touro NY and CA, AZCOM, etc. have LizzyM scores now that are around 64-65, and most schools being around 60 (again, the above list is outdated). And the OP has one of 55, right? So my point was that, I personally, would not feel comfortable applying with those stats. I would want my stats to be at least at or above average for the lowest stat schools to feel comfortable.
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I understand your point. As far as scores go though the touros take people with higher mcat a at the expense of much lower gpas. Overall if any school is going to hit a 65 mark its probably CCOM
 
ATL.F.Doc said:
Yes, it is. believe it or not, there are a lot of students who can not get into MD schools. DO schools will become more competitive just as MD schools within the next couple years. Specially, after the new mcat.
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If anything, I think applications for medical school are not going to increase dramatically as it has been for the past couple of years. The new MCAT is much more grueling and harder than the old MCAT (and the old MCAT did not have a writing section for the past 3 years.)

With the increasing cost of medical school tuition and Obamacare affecting doctors' salaries and the economy starting to get back on its feet, the growth of medical school applications might end up being stagnant.

With that being the case, MCAT scores, because it is based on percentiles, may start pushing LizzyM to be the same as prior years or even lower. This is just my observation and how it has been in the past. When the economy is getting worse, there is a huge influx of med school applications.
 
ATL.F.Doc said:
Yes, it is. believe it or not, there are a lot of students who can not get into MD schools. DO schools will become more competitive just as MD schools within the next couple years. Specially, after the new mcat.
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Ok you are trying to convince mathnerd and I that a school matriculant average went from a 27 to a 29 mcat and a 3.45 GPa to a 3.7 GPa in 1 cycle?




Lol
 
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What does the -1 in Lizzy M actually represent anyway? And I'm assuming for the GPA calculation you're supposed to average your overall and sci GPAs?
 
Gandy741 said:
Please correct me if I'm wrong, But I dont believe there is a single DO school with a LizzyM score of a 65.
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Well, I would say some are definitely pushing it if you go by the "classic" LizzyM calculation. I wouldn't be surprised if there were a few in the 65+ range within the next year or two (or would have been without the scoring change)... last I knew, the most recent classes at my school have had GPAs of "3.5 to 3.7" and MCAT averages "just over 28". So, pretty close. There are a bunch on that list that @FutureDrB posted that are solid 64s.

The LizzyM score might be interesting to compare within the DO world, but with the significant differences in GPA calculation between AMCAS/AACOMAS I just caution that we don't read too much into DO schools being "on the heels" of MD numbers.

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What does the -1 in Lizzy M actually represent anyway? And I'm assuming for the GPA calculation you're supposed to average your overall and sci GPAs?
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I believe that was a modifier added on due to increasing competitiveness.
 
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What does the -1 in Lizzy M actually represent anyway? And I'm assuming for the GPA calculation you're supposed to average your overall and sci GPAs?
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I don't know why the -1 is there. All I know is that its part of her formula
 
johnamo said:
Well, I would say some are definitely pushing it if you go by the "classic" LizzyM calculation. I wouldn't be surprised if there were a few in the 65+ range within the next year or two (or would have been without the scoring change)... last I knew, the most recent classes at my school have had GPAs of "3.5 to 3.7" and MCAT averages "just over 28". So, pretty close. There are a bunch on that list that @FutureDrB posted that are solid 64s.

The LizzyM score might be interesting to compare within the DO world, but with the significant differences in GPA calculation between AMCAS/AACOMAS I just caution that we don't read too much into DO schools being "on the heels" of MD numbers.


I believe that was a modifier added on due to increasing competitiveness.
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I figured that's what the -1 was for but I don't know for sure
 
This whole LizzyM thing is confusing the heck out of me lol. There seems to be something new everyday pertaining to a successful admittance to a school.

To answer a question posed to me earlier in the thread, I studied for about 3 months for my January exam. However, I was in a 18 credit semester with working part-time, so I was only averaging about 2-3 hours on weekdays, with about 4-5 hours on weekends. Not the best, I know I know, but I was averaging high 20s on my practice exams, even cracking 30 a couple of times, so I did feel confident. As for why the score turned out as it did, honestly, couldn't tell you. I wasn't nervous, felt good going in, so not sure.

This time around, bit of a different study situation. I'm only taking one class at night in June and July, which is Gen Chem 1 and 2 retakes, which helps in its own way I guess with the Chem on the exam. Additionally, I'm doing translating on a volunteer basis about 2 hours a day M-F, so I'm averaging about 5-6 hours on weekdays, and about 6-7 on Saturday. I try to give myself Sunday off, although I do a couple of verbal passages in the morning to keep my timing going strong.

Even though the content is relatively fresh from the January exam, I'm still going over the content once more, in addition to the Biochem and Psych/Soc. If any of you guys who've successfully got your score up the 2nd time have any tips, I'm all ears.

My ECs are pretty good, very very confident in them. I know DO schools take the whole application into account, but obviously there is a grade expectation. My s/cGPA can go up to as high as a 3.4ish, by my estimations, with a retake in the Fall semester, but that won't be counted in an initial application obviously, since the class will be in progress.
 
Gandy741 said:
I figured that's what the -1 was for but I don't know for sure
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Actually, apparently it was/is a correction factor to make you "safe" at schools that have matriculant numbers right around yours (i.e., you underestimate your competitiveness in order to have better chances). The more you know...
 
Chubaka31 said:
This whole LizzyM thing is confusing the heck out of me lol. There seems to be something new everyday pertaining to a successful admittance to a school.

To answer a question posed to me earlier in the thread, I studied for about 3 months for my January exam. However, I was in a 18 credit semester with working part-time, so I was only averaging about 2-3 hours on weekdays, with about 4-5 hours on weekends. Not the best, I know I know, but I was averaging high 20s on my practice exams, even cracking 30 a couple of times, so I did feel confident. As for why the score turned out as it did, honestly, couldn't tell you. I wasn't nervous, felt good going in, so not sure.

This time around, bit of a different study situation. I'm only taking one class at night in June and July, which is Gen Chem 1 and 2 retakes, which helps in its own way I guess with the Chem on the exam. Additionally, I'm doing translating on a volunteer basis about 2 hours a day M-F, so I'm averaging about 5-6 hours on weekdays, and about 6-7 on Saturday. I try to give myself Sunday off, although I do a couple of verbal passages in the morning to keep my timing going strong.

Even though the content is relatively fresh from the January exam, I'm still going over the content once more, in addition to the Biochem and Psych/Soc. If any of you guys who've successfully got your score up the 2nd time have any tips, I'm all ears.

My ECs are pretty good, very very confident in them. I know DO schools take the whole application into account, but obviously there is a grade expectation. My s/cGPA can go up to as high as a 3.4ish, by my estimations, with a retake in the Fall semester, but that won't be counted in an initial application obviously, since the class will be in progress.
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Good deal. Well, it sounds like you're working hard.

I unfortunately don't know much about the new format... but my advice is always the same: after you have the content relatively well down, take as many full-length practice exams as you possibly can. If that's too much time commitment, take timed section tests. Just keep exposing yourself to test-like conditions.
 
Chubaka31 said:
This whole LizzyM thing is confusing the heck out of me lol. There seems to be something new everyday pertaining to a successful admittance to a school.

To answer a question posed to me earlier in the thread, I studied for about 3 months for my January exam. However, I was in a 18 credit semester with working part-time, so I was only averaging about 2-3 hours on weekdays, with about 4-5 hours on weekends. Not the best, I know I know, but I was averaging high 20s on my practice exams, even cracking 30 a couple of times, so I did feel confident. As for why the score turned out as it did, honestly, couldn't tell you. I wasn't nervous, felt good going in, so not sure.

This time around, bit of a different study situation. I'm only taking one class at night in June and July, which is Gen Chem 1 and 2 retakes, which helps in its own way I guess with the Chem on the exam. Additionally, I'm doing translating on a volunteer basis about 2 hours a day M-F, so I'm averaging about 5-6 hours on weekdays, and about 6-7 on Saturday. I try to give myself Sunday off, although I do a couple of verbal passages in the morning to keep my timing going strong.

Even though the content is relatively fresh from the January exam, I'm still going over the content once more, in addition to the Biochem and Psych/Soc. If any of you guys who've successfully got your score up the 2nd time have any tips, I'm all ears.

My ECs are pretty good, very very confident in them. I know DO schools take the whole application into account, but obviously there is a grade expectation. My s/cGPA can go up to as high as a 3.4ish, by my estimations, with a retake in the Fall semester, but that won't be counted in an initial application obviously, since the class will be in progress.
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Well, my score went up, but only by 1 point. My weakness was verbal, which is also extremely hard to improve. As for BS and PS, I got similar high percentile scores on them (12 and 11) so there's not really too much room for improvement. At those scores you're just making silly mistakes or misreading the question.

For you to succeed, you need to take a lot of practice exams. I mean a lot and they all have to be real, and you shouldn't be taking a break between them. I would recommend a month of just straight up practice exams. I never really took a lot of time reading the books and trying to memorize everything. The more questions you do, the more you learn. I figured out that doing more questions help you learn faster than just reading the material. I know some people who study and do well by just taking lots of practice exams and doing a lot of questions.

I got my good BS and PS score from just doing the 1001 ExamKrackers BS and PS books. They're really good and help you learn as you're doing the questions. I also supplemented with using ExamKrackers complete MCAT study guide set.

However, this was all on the older MCAT, and I'm not sure what the new MCAT will entail. I remember just randomly guessing all those questions on those trial sections because I was already mentally drained from the three and a half hours of the real MCAT questions that counted.
 
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See, I did the whole "take as many practice exams" in test like conditions, and just do questions questions questions thing for the first exam. After the semester ended, I had about a month between the end of semester - to - exam where ALL I did was practice questions and practice tests. I feel like there should be something I should change in my study habit, though, since I obviously didn't get the score I wanted the first time.

Relating to the questions and practice exams, learning from doing questions, any strategies you guys use to learn from your mistakes on questions you get wrong? What do you do with questions you got right? etc.
 
Chubaka31 said:
See, I did the whole "take as many practice exams" in test like conditions, and just do questions questions questions thing for the first exam. After the semester ended, I had about a month between the end of semester - to - exam where ALL I did was practice questions and practice tests. I feel like there should be something I should change in my study habit, though, since I obviously didn't get the score I wanted the first time.

Relating to the questions and practice exams, learning from doing questions, any strategies you guys use to learn from your mistakes on questions you get wrong? What do you do with questions you got right? etc.
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You should try the 1001 ExamKrackers book. It really helps because those passages are material that you need to know on the MCAT. If I didn't understand the explanation to the answer on a question, I would go reference my complete MCAT study guide book from ExamKrackers to understand the background information.

Did you actually go over the questions you got wrong and really try to understand your mistakes? Just doing practice exams without understanding your mistakes is also pointless.
 
I did go over my mistakes, yes. Sometimes it was silly, careless mistakes, where I just missed a small detail - careless really, like I said. But on the one's where I knew that I just got it wrong due to not knowing, I would go back and figure out WHY I got it wrong, and if it was content related, I'd do a quick read on that topic. Maybe this strategy was what dug me? Any suggestions on doing it differently this time?
 
feeling-dizzy said:
http://admissions.tu.edu/com/demographics.html
Touro CA last year has GPA of 3.49 and MCAT 30.4
That should break Lizzy 65 even further this year. So that is one DO school; I am sure there are other if I do more research
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I have a feeling that some DO schools are actually over exaggerating their numbers. I know a couple of people who gone to Touro-CA with way lower MCAT scores than that. Unless Touro is matriculating people with MCAT of 33 or greater I am having a hard time believing this.

I know that some DO schools will just average whoever they accept into medical schools. There will be MANY MD applicants who have amazing stats and apply to DO schools as backup, and that would inflate the averages. What happens is that many of these high stat MD students would end up matriculating into MD schools and withdrawing their acceptances.
 
Chubaka31 said:
I did go over my mistakes, yes. Sometimes it was silly, careless mistakes, where I just missed a small detail - careless really, like I said. But on the one's where I knew that I just got it wrong due to not knowing, I would go back and figure out WHY I got it wrong, and if it was content related, I'd do a quick read on that topic. Maybe this strategy was what dug me? Any suggestions on doing it differently this time?
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Make sure you don't make those silly careless mistakes and then you should get a higher score. All it takes is just more practice so you make less mistakes.
 
Gandy741 said:
Ok you are trying to convince mathnerd and I that a school matriculant average went from a 27 to a 29 mcat and a 3.45 GPa to a 3.7 GPa in 1 cycle?
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I am not trying to convince no body. I have answered a question based on information from a medical student at PCOM. Simply, you could just ignore it.
 
ATL.F.Doc said:
I am not trying to convince no body. I have answered a question based on information from a medical student at PCOM. Simply, you could just ignore it.
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Well, you're right it may be getting more competitive. I know California is a crazy competitive state, so I'm not surprised their LizzyM is nearing 65.
 
ATL.F.Doc said:
I am not trying to convince no body. I have answered a question based on information from a medical student at PCOM. Simply, you could just ignore it.
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All I'm saying is if there is to be a DO school to hit the 65 mark it will be CCOM or one of the two touros, not pcom GA. At this time touros have a 64 score. We have to wait and see what the 2015 profile of various DO schools is to say more. If you are in fact correct then I fear for the legions of premeds that are trying to be physicians
 
mathnerd88 said:
I have a feeling that some DO schools are actually over exaggerating their numbers. I know a couple of people who gone to Touro-CA with way lower MCAT scores than that. Unless Touro is matriculating people with MCAT of 33 or greater I am having a hard time believing this.

I know that some DO schools will just average whoever they accept into medical schools. There will be MANY MD applicants who have amazing stats and apply to DO schools as backup, and that would inflate the averages. What happens is that many of these high stat MD students would end up matriculating into MD schools and withdrawing their acceptances.
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Dude man, do you not read the info on the website at all. Those are the stats of 135 students from class of 2018. Do the math , and you will see all the number of students add up to 135 (they only accept 135 students) each year. So there is no up-sale here to inflate the grade, because honestly I don't think they need to in California.
FYI, if you think all MD students all have crazy MCAT; you are so wrong. Some MD programs from the south have to accept high stats MCAT applicants from CA to boost their average since they accept many in-state applicants with low MCAT (cough cough Southern Alabama); and still they could not even break a 30.
 
mathnerd88 said:
I have a feeling that some DO schools are actually over exaggerating their numbers. I know a couple of people who gone to Touro-CA with way lower MCAT scores than that. Unless Touro is matriculating people with MCAT of 33 or greater I am having a hard time believing this.

I know that some DO schools will just average whoever they accept into medical schools. There will be MANY MD applicants who have amazing stats and apply to DO schools as backup, and that would inflate the averages. What happens is that many of these high stat MD students would end up matriculating into MD schools and withdrawing their acceptances.
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Touro-CA IS matriculating a great deal of applicants with 30+ MCAT scores. That's not hard to do when CA produces such a large quantity of high achieving students who could fill the classes of all CA MD programs many times over.

Additionally, there are many applicants with these stellar stats who would much rather stay in CA and take the DO acceptance from western/tours for family or comfort/stability in weather than an MD acceptance from a low tier program on the Midwest or east coast.

We west coasters are spoiled and scared to move to a place where that white stuff falls from the clouds in the winter.
 
AlteredScale said:
Touro-CA IS matriculating a great deal of applicants with 30+ MCAT scores. That's not hard to do when CA produces such a large quantity of high achieving students who could fill the classes of all CA MD programs many times over.

Additionally, there are many applicants with these stellar stats who would much rather stay in CA and take the DO acceptance from western/tours for family or comfort/stability in weather than an MD acceptance from a low tier program on the Midwest or east coast.

We west coasters are spoiled and scared to move to a place where that white stuff falls from the clouds in the winter.
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California. The west side. The best side.

I hope you come back one day
 
feeling-dizzy said:
Dude man, do you not read the info on the website at all. Those are the stats of 135 students from class of 2018. Do the math , and you will see all the number of students add up to 135 (they only accept 135 students) each year. So there is no up-sale here to inflate the grade, because honestly I don't think they need to in California.
FYI, if you think all MD students all have crazy MCAT; you are so wrong. Some MD programs from the south have to accept high stats MCAT applicants from CA to boost their average since they accept many in-state applicants with low MCAT (cough cough Southern Alabama); and still they could not even break a 30.
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Just to amend his his/her statement, it would be somewhat inflated due to all of the MD rejects with high stats who get in later in the cycle and end up matriculating.
 
AlteredScale said:
Touro-CA IS matriculating a great deal of applicants with 30+ MCAT scores. That's not hard to do when CA produces such a large quantity of high achieving students who could fill the classes of all CA MD programs many times over.

Additionally, there are many applicants with these stellar stats who would much rather stay in CA and take the DO acceptance from western/tours for family or comfort/stability in weather than an MD acceptance from a low tier program on the Midwest or east coast.

We west coasters are spoiled and scared to move to a place where that white stuff falls from the clouds in the winter.
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Winter is coming
 
yes_sir_44 said:
@Goro, how would your school average scores from old MCAT scale with new MCAT scale? Example- One score from old one is let's say a 25, then one score from the new one of 504. Just curious how they would be averaged.
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Goro said:
Gawd, my head is going to explode!

I haven't a clue as to what we're going to do. One option is to take the new %ile and convert it to the old 2-digit score, and then avg.
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I was bored and wanted to see how the percentiles matched up, so I took the info from the AAMC and did the math. Maybe this will help someone.

New Percentiles/Scores
528 = 99%
527 = 99%
526 = 99%
525 = 98%
524 = 98%
523 = 98%
522 = 97%
521 = 97%
520 = 97%
519 = 96%
518 = 96%
517 = 95%
516 = 95%
515 = 94%
514 = 94%
513 = 93%
512 = 93%
511 = 91%
510 = 89%
509 = 86%
508 = 83%
507 = 80%
506 = 76%
505 = 73%
504 = 68%
503 = 64%
502 = 59%
501 = 55%
500 = 50%

Old Percentiles/Scores
98.5-99% = 38-45
91-98.5% = 34-37
81-90% = 31-33
60-80% = 27-30
50% = 25-26

New Scores Translated into Old Scores
526-528 = 38-45
511-525 = 34-37
508-510 = 31-33
503-507 = 27-30
500-502 = 25-26
 
FutureDrB said:
I was bored and wanted to see how the percentiles matched up, so I took the info from the AAMC and did the math. Maybe this will help someone.

New Percentiles/Scores
528 = 99%
527 = 99%
526 = 99%
525 = 98%
524 = 98%
523 = 98%
522 = 97%
521 = 97%
520 = 97%
519 = 96%
518 = 96%
517 = 95%
516 = 95%
515 = 94%
514 = 94%
513 = 93%
512 = 93%
511 = 91%
510 = 89%
509 = 86%
508 = 83%
507 = 80%
506 = 76%
505 = 73%
504 = 68%
503 = 64%
502 = 59%
501 = 55%
500 = 50%

Old Percentiles/Scores
98.5-99% = 38-45
91-98.5% = 34-37
81-90% = 31-33
60-80% = 27-30
50% = 25-26

New Scores Translated into Old Scores
526-528 = 38-45
511-525 = 34-37
508-510 = 31-33
503-507 = 27-30
500-502 = 25-26
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Do they know what they are doing at all with this new scoring system?

a 500 to a 507 is a 24 to a 30? More horrifically a 500 to a 507 is a 50 percent to a 80 percent? 30 percent difference? But then a 510 to a 528 is only a 10 percent difference?

What?
 
Gandy741 said:
Do they know what they are doing at all with this new scoring system?

a 500 to a 507 is a 24 to a 30? More horrifically a 500 to a 507 is a 50 percent to a 80 percent? 30 percent difference? But then a 510 to a 528 is only a 10 percent difference?

What?
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Well the scoring makes sense if you look at a standard distribution curve...
 
This is very useful! Here's a handier table:

98.5-99% = 38-45 = 526-528
91-98.5% = 34-37 = 511-525
81-90% = 31-33= 508-510
60-80% = 27-30 = 503-507
50% = 25-26 = 500-502


DO yes, MD, no.
If someone had a cGPA&sGPA of 3.2 and the same MCAT as yours, do you think they have a fair chance of getting interviews?

According to the data user3 was kind enough to dig up: here are the schools with the highest LizzyM scores. There are some MD schools with lower.

CCOM: 3.59/29.5 = 65.4
Touro-Ca: 3.49/30.4= 65.3
Touro-NY: ~3.4/30.8 = 64.8
DMU: 3.63/28.3 = 64.6
AZCOM: 3.48/29 = 63.8
 
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Gandy741 said:
I havent seen the curve
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mcat2015scorescale690-data.jpg
 
if you're only option is a low-tier DO school don't go. You will for a fact match, but statistically speaking you will most likely end up in family medicine.


Considering how much money goes towards just becoming a doctor of osteopathic medicine, which your patients will no idea what that is, it just isn't worth it anymore. We have officially hit the threshold where going thru med school is not worth it.


Tl;dr they sell you this lie of becoming this amazing clinician when in reality you end up becomin a cog at a hospital and get the same responsibilities as a PA/NP. Proof? Go look at the "amazing" kaiser system and research scope of practice. Kaiser, saving the patient money, so that the hospital admin gets a nice fat bonus.
 
burritowithgreensauce said:
if you're only option is a low-tier DO school don't go. You will for a fact match, but statistically speaking you will most likely end up in family medicine.


Considering how much money goes towards just becoming a doctor of osteopathic medicine, which your patients will no idea what that is, it just isn't worth it anymore. We have officially hit the threshold where going thru med school is not worth it.


Tl;dr they sell you this lie of becoming this amazing clinician when in reality you end up becomin a cog at a hospital and get the same responsibilities as a PA/NP. Proof? Go look at the "amazing" kaiser system and research scope of practice. Kaiser, saving the patient money, so that the hospital admin gets a nice fat bonus.
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And what's your point? The majority of DO's become family medicine anyways, no matter which DO school you are going to.
 
burritowithgreensauce said:
if you're only option is a low-tier DO school don't go. You will for a fact match, but statistically speaking you will most likely end up in family medicine.


Considering how much money goes towards just becoming a doctor of osteopathic medicine, which your patients will no idea what that is, it just isn't worth it anymore. We have officially hit the threshold where going thru med school is not worth it.


Tl;dr they sell you this lie of becoming this amazing clinician when in reality you end up becomin a cog at a hospital and get the same responsibilities as a PA/NP. Proof? Go look at the "amazing" kaiser system and research scope of practice. Kaiser, saving the patient money, so that the hospital admin gets a nice fat bonus.
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There is nothing wrong with family medicine. I shadowed a family medicine doc for 5-6 months recently. He makes a good amount of money a year, and will have paid off his loans in a couple of years. He just got out of med residency a few years ago. His occupation is quite nice and I wouldnt mind doing that. Its not my first choice, but you are still a physician.

Not everyone gets to be a plastic surgeon. (also i dont care at alllllllll about derm or plastics anyways)
 
Gandy741 said:
Please correct me if I'm wrong, But I dont believe there is a single DO school with a LizzyM score of a 65.
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Based on DrB's post, Touro-NY probably has ~65 LizzyM now given it was a 64.8 in 2013.... Why ATLDoc chose PCOM-GA as an example of a higher LizzyM is beyond me when there are several schools with higher LizzyMs above it

Disregard ^
 
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