Has anyone heard anything about or rotated at Chicago Loyola? I have heard they are highly milignant? Anyone know anything about this?
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Take all of this with a grain of salt, as I interviewed there a couple years ago. That said, I remember I really liked the place (ranked 'em 3rd) and was fully content with the thought I'd end up there (ended up matching my 1st choice instead). The PD was a great guy, well-respected, down-to-earth, and incredibly understanding. I missed my interview day due to a power outage at my friend's apartment, and when I told them about it, they rescheduled me, no questions asked.
The residents all seemed quite upbeat for a surgical program, though you could tell those guys were workhorses and loved what they did. As I recall, they had a burn ICU (fairly uncommon and great ICU training), state-of-the-art facilities, and ample opportunity for research.
Located a 20-30min drive north of downtown Chicago, though traffic isn't an issue at our hours ;-)
The residents all seemed quite upbeat for a surgical program, though you could tell those guys were workhorses and loved what they did. As I recall, they had a burn ICU (fairly uncommon and great ICU training), state-of-the-art facilities, and ample opportunity for research.
Located a 20-30min drive north of downtown Chicago, though traffic isn't an issue at our hours ;-)
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i'm happy to answer any questions you have
1) no not higly malignant, i heard the same thing years ago. its a tough program with rigorous training, but i think all good gen surg programs are
2) 10mins from downtown chicago, i live downtown, have made it there in 8mins before, +/- the 125 dollar speeding ticket
3) the PD is new, even nicer than the old one. rigorous training, very very very very, did i say very heavy icu training. clinical autonomy is a big plus, pressure to make best decisions, or u will present that m&m..lol . opertative autonomy is good (i think), i'm not there yet, but it seems u get the autonomy you earn, especially at the va which is right next door, 2nd largest va in the country. attendings mostly 98% scrub with you, if its a straight foward gen surg case that they as well as u feel comfortable doing, they may stand at the foot of the bed or take a seat, there for questions and help. outpatient center where u do small operations/procedures, good for interns to get their feet wet in the OR. new OR's finished in may, w/ full ipod connection, speaker systems aren't half bad either. i'm very very pleased with my operative experience, which i didn't expect thinking it was a"top heavy" program.
everything i listed above can be a negative, except the ipod part. in general, if i was interested in general surgery as a career, i would not go to any academic program, go to a good community program.
1) no not higly malignant, i heard the same thing years ago. its a tough program with rigorous training, but i think all good gen surg programs are
2) 10mins from downtown chicago, i live downtown, have made it there in 8mins before, +/- the 125 dollar speeding ticket
3) the PD is new, even nicer than the old one. rigorous training, very very very very, did i say very heavy icu training. clinical autonomy is a big plus, pressure to make best decisions, or u will present that m&m..lol . opertative autonomy is good (i think), i'm not there yet, but it seems u get the autonomy you earn, especially at the va which is right next door, 2nd largest va in the country. attendings mostly 98% scrub with you, if its a straight foward gen surg case that they as well as u feel comfortable doing, they may stand at the foot of the bed or take a seat, there for questions and help. outpatient center where u do small operations/procedures, good for interns to get their feet wet in the OR. new OR's finished in may, w/ full ipod connection, speaker systems aren't half bad either. i'm very very pleased with my operative experience, which i didn't expect thinking it was a"top heavy" program.
everything i listed above can be a negative, except the ipod part. in general, if i was interested in general surgery as a career, i would not go to any academic program, go to a good community program.
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surgical06....can u suggest any good community based programs that are receptive to foreign grads with no US clinical experience in the Chicago or ILL. area?
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Loyola has long since been known as a malignant program for general surgery. Personally, when I interviewed there (granted, a few years back), the residents were clearly unhappy and most others who interviewed there had the same opinion...it was pretty obvious. Of the surgery residents from that program that I have met (which includes people I've met in the last year), they have been pretty candid about being unhappy. Other people I know have gotten similar feelings from residents there.
However, Surgical06 makes a good point in that they have had turnover recently and who knows, things may be getting better. Faculty changes can do a LOT for morale in a short time. Some of the bad feelings the residents have may be held over from before and may not be shared by the junior residents...
The best way to find out is to do an away rotation there and see what you think. If you can't do that, interview there and see what you think. Programs can hide things at an interview, but you should be able to get a vibe from the residents about how they feel and if you think they are people you want to work with.
However, Surgical06 makes a good point in that they have had turnover recently and who knows, things may be getting better. Faculty changes can do a LOT for morale in a short time. Some of the bad feelings the residents have may be held over from before and may not be shared by the junior residents...
The best way to find out is to do an away rotation there and see what you think. If you can't do that, interview there and see what you think. Programs can hide things at an interview, but you should be able to get a vibe from the residents about how they feel and if you think they are people you want to work with.
