Loyola, Rush and Miami program quality?
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cole said:
My impression has been that Loyola has a very good program...Rush and Miami are about average or mid-tier. You might want to take a look at the "Rad Onc rankings" thread. It spans from 2002 to earlier this year and covers a lot programs...
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Can't comment on Miami or Rush, but Loyola has an excellent review at scutwork.
Link: http://www.scutwork.com/cgi-bin/links/review.cgi?ID=2807&d=1
Link: http://www.scutwork.com/cgi-bin/links/review.cgi?ID=2807&d=1
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I have heard that Miami is has a fundamentally sound program. The department at Rush has some instability and its direction is not completely clear at this point. I also hear that while Loyola is strong clinically, opportunities for research are limited. This is just what I have heard though.
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Miami might have changed since I interviewed there with new faculty and what not, but I thought it was a weak program. The residents don't have to dictate notes, which is awfully wierd and it didn't seem that busy for the residents. The PD at the time, however, did seem enthusiastic about making the program better.
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Regarding the program at Miami, when I interviewed there I thought that it too was a fundamentally sound program. When I was there the residents looked busy to me. The Program Director is Excellent. 👍
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miami is a cake-walk residency. patient numbers low, residents dont dictate, and very laid back (a la southbeach). they had a good pass rate and right now, given the job market, they will become gainfully employed.
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the greatest benefits to these two program is their location in chicago. loyola is in a middle-class community west of downtown chicago, and rush (though near some rough areas in west side) is still fairly near chicago.
the greatest weakness of rush's program is its chair. dr. abrams, as everyone knows, was passed up to be full chair at hopkins after holding the position as interim chair for several years. in his bitterness, he fled east coast for the midwest. the private group at rush refused to deal with him, and split off from the university. now they have a core group of two attendings that were there prior to the chair, some very young new faculty. rush has new equipment, but unless you're a forgiving person, could be a tough place.
loyola's greatest weakness is its lack of commitment to academics. the department looks nice, but good luck if you're interested in going to into academics somewhere good after training here. they've got modern equipment though and nice ancillary staff.
the greatest weakness of rush's program is its chair. dr. abrams, as everyone knows, was passed up to be full chair at hopkins after holding the position as interim chair for several years. in his bitterness, he fled east coast for the midwest. the private group at rush refused to deal with him, and split off from the university. now they have a core group of two attendings that were there prior to the chair, some very young new faculty. rush has new equipment, but unless you're a forgiving person, could be a tough place.
loyola's greatest weakness is its lack of commitment to academics. the department looks nice, but good luck if you're interested in going to into academics somewhere good after training here. they've got modern equipment though and nice ancillary staff.
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Loyola is in Maywood, which is not what you would imagine a "middle-class neighborhood" to be. Intrestingly its claim to fame was a high prevalence of syphillis when I was in med school there; so that's cool if you're into ID. I never met a student or resident who actually lived in Maywood.
Generally, to live in the most desirable young neighborhoods in Chicago, you would have a much better commute to Rush than to Loyola.
In my opinion, if you are married and/or want to buy a house, either would be OK if you have the cash. If you have kids, know that public schools closer to Loyola (Oak Park/River Forest) are better than by Rush, but you pay for this difference.
If you want a more desireable neighborhood (better restaurants, younger crowd, singles scene) then Bucktown, Wicker Park and River West (all easy commutes from Rush), are far more appealing than the suburban wasteland neighborhoods west of Loyola or the expensive, historic neighborhood of Oak Park, whose residents seem to be older, married types.
Generally, to live in the most desirable young neighborhoods in Chicago, you would have a much better commute to Rush than to Loyola.
In my opinion, if you are married and/or want to buy a house, either would be OK if you have the cash. If you have kids, know that public schools closer to Loyola (Oak Park/River Forest) are better than by Rush, but you pay for this difference.
If you want a more desireable neighborhood (better restaurants, younger crowd, singles scene) then Bucktown, Wicker Park and River West (all easy commutes from Rush), are far more appealing than the suburban wasteland neighborhoods west of Loyola or the expensive, historic neighborhood of Oak Park, whose residents seem to be older, married types.
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happyradonc said:
Actually, from 'reliable' insider sources, the private group is still there with 2 attendings, and one of them is the PD!
The other 2 attendings are fresh out of residency, one from UFlorida and one from Rush: these 2 are decent people.
"now they have a core group of two attendings that were there prior to the chair..." Actually those 2 are gone and replaced by the 2 fresh from residency.
Rush is unstable as far as the insider info goes.
Next Year is adifferent Year! Yah... 😍
