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[Scorpio23]

Hey are there any current or past residents from Loyola on this forum? I am interested but don't remember much about them. How's the cost of living in Chicago (I know its outside of the city in Maywood), what's the reputation of the program, how's the traning, etc!!

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[SleepIsGood]

Hey are there any current or past residents from Loyola on this forum? I am interested but don't remember much about them. How's the cost of living in Chicago (I know its outside of the city in Maywood), what's the reputation of the program, how's the traning, etc!!

A lot of Loyola's attending moved out. Almost 5 of them. Their entire pain program left to another program in Chicago as well. That should tell you what you need to know.

 

[Scorpio23]

So are you implying that this should be a low rank? Right now my top 5 are T. jefferson, Tufts, Loyola, St. Lukes and Temple ( in no particular order). I think I will go into a Pain fellowship at the end of all this. Loyola seemed like a good program, but then it was my only illinois interview.

 

[Ship]

I actually liked Loyola a lot. Amazing facilities. The gym is certainly top notch. Pool + indoor track + all the treadmills you could imagine + sauna + massage parlor. Program director is the nicest person I ever met on the interview trail. At the reception, she actively sought out each applicant to say hi. Knew everyone's apps off the top of her head. Seemed like someone who would be very in tune with resident needs.

 

[somedumbDO]

A lot of Loyola's attending moved out. Almost 5 of them. Their entire pain program left to another program in Chicago as well. That should tell you what you need to know.

5 = alot ???? yeah the pain program moved out to illinois masonic.... 3 yrs ago.... there are 40 or so attendings and every year 2 or three move out that is the same for every program.

gl

 

[Scorpio23]

Well I am ranking 14 programs and those are my top 5. At the end of the day I just want to match. With my options I hope that I make the best the choice. That's why I started this thread. There isn't much discussion about this program and I just wanted a bit more insight.

 

[SleepIsGood]

Well I am ranking 14 programs and those are my top 5. At the end of the day I just want to match. With my options I hope that I make the best the choice. That's why I started this thread. There isn't much discussion about this program and I just wanted a bit more insight.

If PAIN is your ultimate goal...again, realize that their Pain Docs (their good ones) are no longer there. So....choose carefully.

 

[karizma098]

a grad from my school is a ca-1 at loyola right now and is pretty happy - maywood isnt the most glamorous of locations around chicagoland, but loyola's facilities seem to be pretty good, from what i've seen on rounds and visits.

my cousin graduated from their anesthesia program a few years back and did a pain fellowship ( at rush i think? ) and also loved it.

as far as people leaving the program i don't know so i can't say..i'd say its probably a better bet than county or masonic as far as chicago programs go..

i live downtown and the cost of living isn't terrible. i have a new, 850sq foot condo with a balcony, and a building with a gym, doorman, pool, and an indoor heated parking spot for ~ 1400/month including utilities, cable, and internet. i live right off lakeshore drive and grant park across from soldier field, it's a quiet , safe neighborhood. if your'e looking to live in prime goldcoast probably add 200/month to my rent. if you live a few blocks south or west, places run ~1200 or 1300. oak park is close to maywood and rent is comprable to that. chicago isn't a terribly expensive city - one of it's major perks...along with food of course.

good luck figuring out where you want to be. 👍

 

[Scorpio23]

a grad from my school is a ca-1 at loyola right now and is pretty happy - maywood isnt the most glamorous of locations around chicagoland, but loyola's facilities seem to be pretty good, from what i've seen on rounds and visits.

my cousin graduated from their anesthesia program a few years back and did a pain fellowship ( at rush i think? ) and also loved it.

as far as people leaving the program i don't know so i can't say..i'd say its probably a better bet than county or masonic as far as chicago programs go..

i live downtown and the cost of living isn't terrible. i have a new, 850sq foot condo with a balcony, and a building with a gym, doorman, pool, and an indoor heated parking spot for ~ 1400/month including utilities, cable, and internet. i live right off lakeshore drive and grant park across from soldier field, it's a quiet , safe neighborhood. if your'e looking to live in prime goldcoast probably add 200/month to my rent. if you live a few blocks south or west, places run ~1200 or 1300. oak park is close to maywood and rent is comprable to that. chicago isn't a terribly expensive city - one of it's major perks...along with food of course.

good luck figuring out where you want to be. 👍

Thanks for the info!! Do u have any ideas of the work hours and call schedule? I took notes on my interview but just wanted to compare...Thanks!!

 

[shaz8901]

Loyola had so many open spots in this year's match (2010)? Whats the deal? Can someone with genuine knowledge speak about the problems there? I wanted to go to Loyola but i'm having second thoughts if it can't attract candidates. Something is up

 

[RapidSequence]

I matched on the Northeast in Anesthesiology and am graduating from a medical school in the Chicago. I've done numerous away rotations and interviewed at programs in Chicago, NY, Florida and California. I'll share my perspective on Loyola and Chicago Anesthesiology programs so that shaz8901 and everyone else on the board can have greater insight. This is most important for future applicants and M4's interested in Chicago Anesthesiology programs.

The reason Loyola didn't fill is that they try to play "the residency game" but don't do it well, so they got burned during this 2010 Match. Same thing happened to Loma Linda in California. Schools act as if they are competitive and sought after in front of applicants during interview days and to their rotating M4 students in order to seem desirable to applicants but in reality they aren't that attractive. Weak schools don't fill because they thought applicants would rank them more highly than they thought. They don't realize how unpopular they really are with applicants. So if you are a weak program like Loyola and don't show attention to a broad range of applicants (strong, average and weak) while simultaneously acting like you are the **** you will get burned.

I rotated at Loyola, they were very high on themselves. Whereas RUSH and U of C seemed genuine, approachable and interested in me. I ranked Loyola at the bottom.

Loyola acts as if it is a very strong program but it overworks its residents, has residents relieve CRNA's so that they are not paid overtime, the hospital is in a financial hole and its academics are very weak. It's a good program and you get a great education but when you rank it against other programs in Chicago it's not that strong a program. The program director is a very nice woman but she is all appearances. She acts as if her program is very competitive and looks down on applicants purposely to act exclusive. They hope this "exclusiveity" will help build their reputation and attract stronger applicants. We medical students don't realize how much the decisions at the top of the pyramid affect residents at the bottom until we become part of a department for a long time. Loyola's deep financial hole means the people at top of the pyramind in the Loyola Anesthesiology Department are forced to milk its residents for money.

Combine their weak program with Chicago's very political culture where hospital corporations and university names compete heavily. Northwestern, U of C, RUSH, Masonic, Cook-County, UIC and then Loyola. Where does Loyola fit in? Loyola has nice facilities but it isn't in the city center. It makes residents work longer hours than the rest with less teaching. I'll repeat that Loyola is a good program which will produce strong anesthesiologists but they rank lower than most other Chicago programs because the other programs work you less, teach you more, and will make you a stronger anesthesiologist without making you go through as much bullsh*t as Loyola.

Loyola learned the hard way that they need to get off their high horse.

 

[DScully]

Schools act as if they are competitive and sought after in front of applicants during interview days and to their rotating M4 students in order to seem desirable to applicants but in reality they aren't that attractive. Weak schools don't fill because they thought applicants would rank them more highly than they thought. They don't realize how unpopular they really are with applicants.

This statement is very true, not just to this specific program but many others. The exact same statement applies to ourselves (i.e., applicants) too. So just make sure you have a wide range of programs. Then decide where YOU want to go, instead of how competitive the program appears to be.

 

[justin5790]

Thanks for the post, Rapidsequence. Loyola is one of the schools I am considering, and I was wondering what their work hours are like. Could you be more specific? Thanks!

 

[RapidSequence]

Thanks for the post, Rapidsequence. Loyola is one of the schools I am considering, and I was wondering what their work hours are like. Could you be more specific? Thanks!

I am NOT the best person to ask about this because I am not a resident at Loyola but my impression is that they work longer hours than most programs, roughly 70 hours a week. Depending on who the resident was I would either get a negative response about works hours or a neutral response - something like, "Ya the hours are long but I still have a life." It's not uncommon if a resident stays past 7pm on a regular day.

But that's besides the point. You may work 5-10 hours more a week at Loyola than other Chicago programs which doesn't seem like a lot but realize that even 5 hours more a week is a huge difference. Moreover, the extra hours you work is because the program is overworking you i.e. making residents relieve CRNA's late in the day or putting you in long cases with little teaching.

RUSH also works it's residents comparable hours but the program is VERY upfront about it on interview day so they attract residents who know what they're getting themselves into. To me RUSH also appears more committed to resident education.

Loyola get's knocked because you'll do more hours when it's obvious you're just there to save the hospital money instead of learning. The hours in and of themselves are a few hours greater than the rest but not unbearable.

Does anyone know if they had problems attracting their own medical students going into anesthesiology this year?? They usually get a few of their own, maybe their own medical students got turned off to the program.

 

[SleepIsGood]

This isnt gym shopping. Just because there's a nice gym, doesn't mean the education is great.

Just remember. The more hours YOU "work" doesn't translate into better quality. Yes, you need to see a wide breath and depth of cases, but you also need to study and retain information. Keep these things in mind when considering programs.

 

[urge]

...it's obvious you're just there to save the hospital money...

Isn't it what ALL residents are for?

Learning is collateral damage.

 

[DOsaredoctors2]

Does anyone know if they had problems attracting their own medical students going into anesthesiology this year?? They usually get a few of their own, maybe their own medical students got turned off to the program.[/QUOTE]


I am a current resident at Loyola, and despite the shortcomings Rapidsequence has pointed out, I have received a excellent education, found a great job and am generally happy with my life.

It may surprise you to know that the majority of Loyola medical students going into anesthesia are staying at Loyola this year. That has not always been the case, and Loyola students have traditionally gone to other programs; again traditionally, some very selective programs both in and outside Chicago.

My personal take on the spots available in the match is that we simply failed to interview enough people. Assume that the average candidate for anesthesia applies to 10 programs. A competitive program should then interview at least 10 candidates per slot available. We interviewed about 100 people and filled 10 spots. We should have interviewed 130 people for 13 spots. The residents who did match here are excellent. They are top heavy off our match list and will have a great experience here.

The match is over. Everyone is where they are going to be. Now is not the time to be bashing other programs. (We really come off that bad?) You are all in the same boat now and the bottom line is that whether you are at your #2 choice on the West coast or at Loyola, you are going to spend the next 4 years trying to figure out some way to pay back your school loans without completing residency.

Congratulations, Doctors

 

[Hood]

Hi everyone,

[FONT="times new roman"]I am currently a resident at Loyola and thought I could provide some perspective on what the experience is like from someone in the program. I think some of the reviews so far have been somewhat unfair so I thought I'd try to clarify some of the strengths and weaknesses and give an overview of our program for potential applicants, then respond to some of the other comments that have been made..

I was originally attracted to Loyola by the faculty/residents. I interviewed in December and went back for a 2nd visit in early February. On both occasions, I got the impression that residents worked hard, but the people they worked with balanced things out. By "worked hard" I mean they put in between 60-70 hours a week. Compared to a neurosurgery or OB residency, this isn't that much. But yes, compared to some other Chicago anesthesia programs, it is a bit more. I'll address this more later. The facilities are indeed very nice. The gym is great and the ORs have been recently revamped. There remain 10-12 old ORs with the 12 new ORs, with the only real difference being the lack of computers for anesthesia in the old ORs. As has been stated, a nice gym does not a residency program make, but it is a nice plus. When residents graduate they seem to be generally welcomed with open arms in programs of their choice. The training is very good, and that comes with longer hours.

Our intern year (if you decide to apply to the advanced program) is in general a little more strenuous than a TY or a medical internship. We do 3 months of ICU, 3 months of surgery, 2 months of anesthesia (1 OR, 1 pain), 3 months of medicine, and 1 month of ER. The hours can be long, approaching the 80 mark on ICU months and certain surgical months. In other months, the hours are quite light, sometimes as low as 35-40 hours/week. Once a month, we met with our program coordinator to discuss rotations, and if other services abuse you can bring it up and things actually change. CA1 year is mostly general OR with a month of preop clinic and a month of PACU sprinkled here and there. Call is q5-6. Attendings buy dinner on call and I sleep for most of the night maybe 1/2 of my calls. CA2 and CA3 introduce CV and ICU rotations (at the senior level of course) along with peds and OB. Neuro is sprinkled in all years. Call is better as a senior. I don't want to get into more as this could go on and on but if you have other questions, please feel free to PM me.

In regard to some of the comments in this thread, I’m really surprised to hear that someone thinks Loyola is an elitist program, as I haven’t found it to be this way at all. A program director that knows details of every applicant alone belies that statement. I have never once gotten that feeling, and the students I talk to rotating through (and I do talk to all that I can, as do most of our residents) have never told me they feel that this program is pretentious. I really appreciate that our attendings do not talk down other programs and our administration does not bash on other programs.

Residents do not commonly stay past 7. We do often stay until 4 or 5, and there are times when we are sitting in the library waiting to go home, having been done with a case since 1 or 2. This is frustrating. I don't know if this is unique to our program or not, but it is my biggest complaint about our program.

It's true that Loyola as a whole is facing tough economic times (as many/most hospitals are) but the anesthesia department remains one of the few (if not the only) departments that is able to pay residents for moonlighting. In fact, most depts are in a hiring freeze, yet we are hiring 2 new attendings this year. We also just hired a new CRNA. So I wouldn't say our department is in a "financial hole."

Our academics are actually really good. Our board pass rates for the last 3 years have been 82, 85, and 90% - about 10% above the national average in each year. It's true that we do not have daily lecture and our journal clubs are relatively few and far between, but Loyola is a clinical heavy program, and you learn by doing. Attendings do teach in the OR, but you can't expect to come here and be coddled. Most of your learning is self-directed, as it should be, in my opinion. This is training to be an independent physician. We learn early on how to function independently in the ORs, and, in my opinion, are very ready for independent learning for the rest of our careers as attendings.

We matched 5/6 Loyola med students who chose anesthesia, as stated above. Also, two residents who graduated in 2009 are attendings now, and 2 residents graduating this year will be attendings next year. I think we are doing something right since we continue to heavily attract our own. Of course, all of the above is based just on my experience, but I hope hearing from a current resident has provided some good info to those of you who are looking into Loyola’s anesthesia residency. Good luck.

 

[2win]

This isnt gym shopping. Just because there's a nice gym, doesn't mean the education is great.

Just remember. The more hours YOU "work" doesn't translate into better quality. Yes, you need to see a wide breath and depth of cases, but you also need to study and retain information. Keep these things in mind when considering programs.

THAT'S THE BEST GYM THOUGH...

 

[shaz8901]

Hood, how is pain at loyola, I heard that its not the place to go if you are interested in doing it. Any thoughts?

 

[SleepIsGood]

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[shaz8901]

SleepIsGood, I heard the same thing from my sister in law who is a IM resident there. But I want to confirm if thats true from hood since they are at loyola for anesthesia. I really like loyola because the location is great for me, but I don't want to go to a "weak" program at the expense of location.

Also, if any of you guys are familiar with Masonic please let me know about it. Again, I really want to know if this program is "weak" or not and try to explain why you think its weak. My cousin is a resident in IM there and says they have good attendings. Dr. Khorsani being one of them. But again this is a community program and I don't know how much that will effect me, when I go out looking for jobs.

 

[somedumbDO]

SleepIsGood, I heard the same thing from my sister in law who is a IM resident there. But I want to confirm if thats true from hood since they are at loyola for anesthesia. I really like loyola because the location is great for me, but I don't want to go to a "weak" program at the expense of location.

Also, if any of you guys are familiar with Masonic please let me know about it. Again, I really want to know if this program is "weak" or not and try to explain why you think its weak. My cousin is a resident in IM there and says they have good attendings. Dr. Khorsani being one of them. But again this is a community program and I don't know how much that will effect me, when I go out looking for jobs.

yeah your kinda clueless about loyola....

 

[shaz8901]

yeah your kinda clueless about loyola....

Thanks for taking the time to log in to your account and post this. It really helped.

 

[RapidSequence]

Hood, how is pain at loyola, I heard that its not the place to go if you are interested in doing it. Any thoughts?

If you want to do pain Loyola is not the place to go, their whole pain department left to Masonic a few years ago and the guys they have now are just sitting back collecting their money. All of them except for Dr. Buck, he is a really good teacher and very laid-back individual.

RUSH is a great place for pain, they have strong research, good teachers, numerous opportunities, and plenty of fellowships to offer their own.

I'll continue sharing what I know about Chicago programs and hopefully it'll somehow help. Masonic had a guy named Dr. Candido working at Loyola with a few other doctors Drs. Whiteley (teaches a lot!), Tharian (does lots of pain)... Masonic offered Candido the department chair position while he was at Loyola because the previous chair Dr. Salem and his residency coordinator Dr. Villa were doing a horrible job with the department's program - they almost lost accreditation. The reason Candido left was because he got offered more $$$, the Chair position, and some other "dating" issues which you can find out from other people because writing it on SDN would be bordering on defamation even though it's true. Candido is now making a ton of money operating his own pain clinic with the hospital's resources and gets to Chair a Chicago anesthesiology program. The people that moved with him from Loyola are making a ton of money too.

What is pertinent to the future resident considering Masonic - The weird thing about Candido coming to Masonic is that the people he muscled out like Villa and Salem are still at Masonic getting paid 400,000+ but they are so bitter about the whole situation that they treat residents very poorly and don't teach. The Masonic program is very very non-academic. Many residents there say "go to an academic program" because their program is a community program with little emphasis on teaching. Whiteley has morning lectures which are good but oppurtunities are not as plentiful as compared to other programs and their is little time or patience to teach. Everyone of the residents likes Khorasani, he is genuine about teaching. But overall the program needs a lot of improvements and they know it. That is why they only offer 2 spots to people straight out of medical school and save the other 6 positions for people who are switching from other specialties to apply to their program. This makes for a weird mix of plenty of older residents who pursued a different field but then ended up at Masonic doing anesthesiology. Why do this? Because this way Masonic gets great quality residents and great test takers who because they switched specialties couldn't easily get into better programs. Masonic in return maintains a high passing rate on their boards so they don't lose their accreditation.

Masonic is a program to avoid. I have NEVER rotated or worked at Masonic but I researched the program heavily before applying and gathered the information from different residents who all seemed to agree with one another. I'm happy I matched in the Northeast 🙂

 

[Jay K]

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[Jay K]

If you want to do pain Loyola is not the place to go, their whole pain department left to Masonic a few years ago and the guys they have now are just sitting back collecting their money. All of them except for Dr. Buck, he is a really good teacher and very laid-back individual.

RUSH is a great place for pain, they have strong research, good teachers, numerous opportunities, and plenty of fellowships to offer their own.

I'll continue sharing what I know about Chicago programs and hopefully it'll somehow help. Masonic had a guy named Dr. Candido working at Loyola with a few other doctors Drs. Whiteley (teaches a lot!), Tharian (does lots of pain)... Masonic offered Candido the department chair position while he was at Loyola because the previous chair Dr. Salem and his residency coordinator Dr. Villa were doing a horrible job with the department's program - they almost lost accreditation. The reason Candido left was because he got offered more $$$, the Chair position, and some other "dating" issues which you can find out from other people because writing it on SDN would be bordering on defamation even though it's true. Candido is now making a ton of money operating his own pain clinic with the hospital's resources and gets to Chair a Chicago anesthesiology program. The people that moved with him from Loyola are making a ton of money too.

What is pertinent to the future resident considering Masonic - The weird thing about Candido coming to Masonic is that the people he muscled out like Villa and Salem are still at Masonic getting paid 400,000+ but they are so bitter about the whole situation that they treat residents very poorly and don't teach. The Masonic program is very very non-academic. Many residents there say "go to an academic program" because their program is a community program with little emphasis on teaching. Whiteley has morning lectures which are good but oppurtunities are not as plentiful as compared to other programs and their is little time or patience to teach. Everyone of the residents likes Khorasani, he is genuine about teaching. But overall the program needs a lot of improvements and they know it. That is why they only offer 2 spots to people straight out of medical school and save the other 6 positions for people who are switching from other specialties to apply to their program. This makes for a weird mix of plenty of older residents who pursued a different field but then ended up at Masonic doing anesthesiology. Why do this? Because this way Masonic gets great quality residents and great test takers who because they switched specialties couldn't easily get into better programs. Masonic in return maintains a high passing rate on their boards so they don't lose their accreditation.

Masonic is a program to avoid. I have NEVER rotated or worked at Masonic but I researched the program heavily before applying and gathered the information from different residents who all seemed to agree with one another.

RapidSequence has some excellent and spot-on insight re: Masonic.

 

[SleepIsGood]

First of all I'd like to premise this post by saying that I've had first hand contact with residents and attendings at Masonic. Their experiences and mine are in stark contradiction to what RapidSequence has posted. Let's be clear, his credibility needs to be called into question given the fact he stated he matched at the West Coast, then he changed it to the East Coast. Sounds like some of our politicians who were initially for something, before they were against it. Furthermore, there are factual inconsistencies in his posts. For example, Dr. Villa has never been the residency coordinator. Also, Dr. Tharian doing "lots of pain"? Where did you get this information?

Here are some facts. Dr. Candido is the current chairman of the department. He has been chair for approximately 2.5 years. The program has gone through a transfiguration upon his arrival. Indeed, he is a very active member and lecturer in various anesthesiology circles such as the ASA and ASRA. Nationally, he has spearheaded Regional and Pain conferences and has led various advanced pain courses (Dannemiller). His residents as a result have in my opinion had the best exposure in Chicago to regional anesthesia, the future of anesthesia. The orthopedic exposure is quite wide and in depth. Residents at his program routinely via ultrasound perform advanced techniques such as placement of femoral catheters, ant/post sciatic catheters, lumbar plexus blocks, and of course other basic regional blocks. By the way, this is at a program that does not have Regional Fellows ‘taking away' procedures.

Moving on to Pain Medicine. There is no program in the country where residents get first hand exposure to advanced pain procedures. Some may see not having a pain fellowship at the program to be a disadvantage, however, it has proved to be quite the opposite. Without having fellows to ‘take away' pain procedures, there are residents that under direct supervision have placed over 30 SCS, >10 vertebroplasties, percutaneous discectomies, discographies, and multitudes of ESI, TFESI, celiac plexus blocks, and the list is endless. Let's be honest. We all know that at this junction Pain Fellowships are the most competitive out of all the anesthesia fellowships (see the Pain Forum discussions). In light of this, Masonic has placed 100% of it's graduating seniors desiring to pursue Pain Medicine into fellowships. Rapidsequence and others may say, well that's because there are only a few residents at the program. Well what if I were to relay to you that these programs that the residents were placed into were among the best Pain programs in the country, Stanford and Harvard? Check the Pain Forums on here which further corroborate this. Don't believe me? Call the program and ask.

Here are also some first hand facts:
-Masonic led the entire midwest in per capita presentations at the MARC the past three years and is the ONLY program in the city that has mandatory, daily lectures. Not Rush, U of I, Loyola, Northwestern, Cook County or U of C can match that level of academics. No other program has daily lectures.
-Masonic is the only program in the city that pays for residents to go to board review courses.
- Masonic is the only program in the city with two full-time PhD research associates to help coordinate projects and prepare presentations and publications. Residents at this program as a result not only have great clinical exposure, but if they desire to pursue academics have a strong foundation to build upon without the usual politics surrounding university programs.

Again, with all due respect RapidSequence your post is somewhat convoluted, inconsistent, and perhaps dated. Since the inception of the new chairman (Dr. Candido), this program has uniquely blended academics and clinical practice, creating a very positive environment to learn and excel. I just thought I would chime in and as Bill O'Reilly would say give a "fair and balanced" opinion based on facts.

 

[proman]

Dr. Candido is the current chairman of the department. Nationally, he has spearheaded Regional and Pain conferences and has led various advanced pain courses (Dannemiller).

Is this the same Dannemiller company that has courses for CRNAs to learn interventional pain management procedures?

 

[RapidSequence]

I just thought I would chime in and as Bill O’Reilly would say give a “fair and balanced” opinion based on facts.

SleepIsGood, thanks for chiming in. Everyone's opinion is different, you have yours and I have mine. I'm happy you've provided some input as well, this way readers will benefit from the broader perspective.

The reason I've been contradictory on where I matched is because I've posted very negative posts on both Loyola and Masonic and I'm not going to allow these programs to find out who I am. I might've matched in the northeast or west coast or still be in Chicago 🙂. People can read everyone's posts and make up their mind for themselves.

 

[shaz8901]

I don't even know who to believe rapidsequence or sleepisgood. I am actually going to be doing a rotation at masonic in Anesthesia in a couple of months so I will get to the bottom of it. I'll update the rest of you guys with whats true and whats not.

 

[SleepIsGood]

Is this the same Dannemiller company that has courses for CRNAs to learn interventional pain management procedures?

Not sure where you got your information. Please check out www.cadavercourse.com. On it you will find a welcome letter from Dr. Candido. Here's an excerpt:

.....This one and a half day hands-on workshop is designed specifically for M.D. or D.O. professionals to provide comprehensive pain management knowledge and skill-building cadaver sessions using minimally invasive techniques. Offering both basic and advanced tracks, it allows participants a unique learning experience based upon their own level of learning. This course has been designed to provide didactic lectures by the finest minds in the interventional pain management field aligned with small group (8-9) cadaver lab training sessions, examination and ultrasound workshops, all in a real clinical environment to assure a unique learning experience based upon individual level of learning.

I have attended one of these courses and can assure you that no CRNAs were ever present. It was exclusively geered toward physicians. Again, it would behoove you to check the facts (they are on the dannemiller website).

 

[proman]

Not sure where you got your information. Please check out www.cadavercourse.com. On it you will find a welcome letter from Dr. Candido. Here's an excerpt:

I have attended one of these courses and can assure you that no CRNAs were ever present. It was exclusively geered toward physicians. Again, it would behoove you to check the facts (they are on the dannemiller website).

Ironically the Dannemiller website is now down. You should check out this thread on the other website by a CRNA doing interventional pain in Montana.


stanman1968
CRNA
Re: May/June Case
I would use 20ml of .25% bupivicaine at L3-L3 (location of lumbar sympathetic chain. I went to the Dannemiller interventional course and part of it was a discussion over pharmacology, some of the MD's have been using cymbalta and have stated it has replaced the need for sympathetic blocks, I do not know about replacment but hey I will use it.

and,

Post #33
You should take the next dannemiller cadaver course, as long as you are just a little aggressive you can learn a lot.

and,

Post #41
Of course you do, that is why I suggested the Dannemiller course, I may have learned most of my regional by trial and error and reading reading and reading, but if I can get a smart guy to actually walk me through it well I will certainly take it.

and,

Post #44
I believe they are supposed to be putting one togeather for CRNA's and it should be in November...I think.

Maybe they should be checking credentials a bit better.

 

[BEATINGU]

To RapidSequence: No one asked you where u matched so there was no reason to lie, many students rotate through these programs. Second of all, if you feel so strongly about your opinions, you shouldn't be concerned if the programs find out who you are. I have a feeling you'll be bashing your own program pretty soon after you start.

 

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To all current residents: Can you guys tell us what is up with the Loyola Transplant programs in general and the Cardio-thoracic transplant program in particular. I know that is a surgery question, but anesthesia is involved in post op care. There is word on the street that the transplant programs are struggling. Thanks.