Lying about what you did last summer.

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What's the worst thing that could happen if you lie (on your med school apps) about having internships, jobs, and / or volunteer work? I did it to get into college and so far everything is great.


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I know what you did last summer....

please don't start this! it's gonna start a huge brawl.
 
BeatrixKiddo said:
What's the worst thing that could happen if you lie (on your med school apps) about having internships, jobs, and / or volunteer work? I did it to get into college and so far everything is great.


Discuss.
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Uh... you lied to get into college?

I thought medicine was a moral field too....
 
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WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?!?!?! i honestly hope people like this get found out and blacklisted from all schools, but that never happens in the real world... too bad 🙄
 
lol this isn't a lie but: i ate pork everyday for every meal, other than on free lunch days and walked 8 miles a day to work, and lived in a room in a basement that gets infested with maggots or flooded from time to time. this sure sounds like a lie though
 
karma?

haha.. but really i don't know.. i guess it's just one of those things that maybe you'd be able to slip by.. but man, if you got caught.. ouch.
 
I think your doing this just to get a rxn, but here goes......if true then you have gained nothing. You have successfully avoided work to accomplish a goal, and since work is hard, cheating will always seem like an option for you.
Unfortunately, like any cheater, liar, or criminal you will eventually get caught. Then the game is over. When that time comes you will spend a long time wishing you had learned to do things the right way.
 
kemper said:
I think your doing this just to get a rxn, but here goes......if true then you have gained nothing. You have successfully avoided work to accomplish a goal, and since work is hard, cheating will always seem like an option for you.
Unfortunately, like any cheater, liar, or criminal you will eventually get caught. Then the game is over. When that time comes you will spend a long time wishing you had learned to do things the right way.
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You don't get out into the world much, right?
 
BeatrixKiddo said:
What's the worst thing that could happen if you lie (on your med school apps) about having internships, jobs, and / or volunteer work? I did it to get into college and so far everything is great.


Discuss.
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Everybody lies in one way or another. I had to review some applications and I'm thinking to myself, Jesus, when do these people have time to take a crap.
 
Last summer I created an organization that provided free health care nationwide. I ran it along with the C.E.O. of Enron and an ex-adcom member of John Hopkins University. Dr. Phil worked for my organization as well, he counseled many young gunners at risk of suicide with his normal routine ("Do you think this is bad? If you think this is bad, then I think this is bad and we have a problem, now you tell me how we go about removing this badness from your life"). We were also on the verge of discovering the cure for cancer but the summer was over so I had to stop and focus on my studies. We all know that an A+ in Biochemistry>Cure for Cancer will help increase my chances in getting into Med. School.

True story, Pre-Med students never lie, it is unethical.
 
If you're going to make up some great story, they'll ask you why you don't have a great rec letter to go with it. The UCI dean told us it was a huge red flag otherwise.

That having been said, anyone who actually does this is a really dishonest and untrustworthy person who doesn't deserve to be a doctor.
 
Panda Bear said:
You don't get out into the world much, right?
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Exaggerating your role in a project on the application is one thing, making up a summer activity is quite another. To say everyone lies on their application is false: most people embellish to some degree (guilty - e.g. I think I claimed to lead a group of teenagers with disabilities in sports activities, when I more accurately helped facilitate, rather than lead. Fine) or exaggerate their hours, but that's not what she's asking about here. She's asking about fabricating a story entirely. Huge difference.
 
dopaminesurge said:
Exaggerating your role in a project on the application is one thing, making up a summer activity is quite another. To say everyone lies on their application is false: most people embellish to some degree (guilty - e.g. I think I claimed to lead a group of teenagers with disabilities in sports activities, when I more accurately helped facilitate, rather than lead. Fine) or exaggerate their hours, but that's not what she's asking about here. She's asking about fabricating a story entirely. Huge difference.
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lol hey when i put 60 hours a week, i freaken worked 12 hour shifts and on weekends, with more than one all nighther per week occasions. hehe but yea, lying is bad *sniffles, so don't lie
 
Panda Bear said:
You don't get out into the world much, right?
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I get out enough that I haven't had time to post over 6000 times on a website. Yeah I can tell you must get out alot. 6000 times are you kidding me. I guess its understandable if one is trying to help, but you don't seem like that type to me.
 
kemper said:
I get out enough that I haven't had time to post over 6000 times on a website. Yeah I can tell you must get out alot. 6000 times are you kidding me. I guess its understandable if one is trying to help, but you don't seem like that type to me.
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what are you talking about, she is posting through her cell phone because she cares about YOU. haha i don't know what i am talking about, but hey if they don't have a cell phone portal, can i write one for SDN???
 
What's up with all the threads about lying lately?

Must be the time in the app process when people are getting desperate....
 
kemper said:
I get out enough that I haven't had time to post over 6000 times on a website. Yeah I can tell you must get out alot. 6000 times are you kidding me. I guess its understandable if one is trying to help, but you don't seem like that type to me.
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Hey, lay off Panda. As long as i've been here he's seems to give out pretty good advice. He was only pointing out your unrealistic self-righteous view of how the world works.
 
Caristra said:
What's up with all the threads about lying lately?

Must be the time in the app process when people are getting desperate....
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lol hey i am spanish man, yo hablo espanol muy bien. como estas, senorita? si, yo SOY loco
 
kemper said:
I think your doing this just to get a rxn, but here goes......if true then you have gained nothing. You have successfully avoided work to accomplish a goal, and since work is hard, cheating will always seem like an option for you.
Unfortunately, like any cheater, liar, or criminal you will eventually get caught. Then the game is over. When that time comes you will spend a long time wishing you had learned to do things the right way.
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I ABSOLUTELY AGREE!!! It will come back to bite them in the a## in the end!😉
 
DoctorMom78 said:
I ABSOLUTELY AGREE!!! It will come back to bite them in the a## in the end!😉
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guys you know to be honest, like as long as one realizes the mistake, lets not try to give her too hard of a time. i mean even if she kind of asked for it. *begs on my knees
 
you'll likely get busted when you interview, unless you are a pathologic liar...
 
szhao said:
guys you know to be honest, like as long as one realizes the mistake, lets not try to give her too hard of a time. i mean even if she kind of asked for it. *begs on my knees
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She doesn't seem like she is feeling bad at all... yet.
 
BeatrixKiddo said:
What's the worst thing that could happen if you lie (on your med school apps) about having internships, jobs, and / or volunteer work? I did it to get into college and so far everything is great.
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Let's see, the worst that could happen is that you get blacklisted from the med schools, so you don't get in -- ever. Likely? Who knows, they do check those things occasionally, but people get away with ridiculous crap all the time.

Now as far as you getting into college by lying the first time, that probably explains why you're having such a hard time deciding between MD, DO, pharm, vet, dental, etc. I'm guessing you're not a terribly competitive applicant. So hey, maybe in your case, you don't have much to lose.
 
szhao said:
i do believe this was for college




haha well lets just so sing a song and have a bond fire, dude those are so fun, i love bond fires.
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I'm pretty sure you PMd me the other day, but at this point I'm not sure you're not a troll...

Seriously, what's with the love and singing a bondfire song schtick? It's f*cked that someone would consider doing this, so let people proclaim that rather than telling them to forgive her with their christian hearts.

EDIT: I didn't mean that to sound so abrasive. I like to S, even if you're a troll.
 
kemper said:
I think your doing this just to get a rxn, but here goes......if true then you have gained nothing. You have successfully avoided work to accomplish a goal, and since work is hard, cheating will always seem like an option for you.
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Agreed. Cheating is always an option. And in this case, imho, you will have been "cheated out of" being pissed off that you joined stupid clubs and stood around stacking linens in a hospital somewhere. Rats, tough loss!

kemper said:
Unfortunately, like any cheater, liar, or criminal you will eventually get caught. Then the game is over. When that time comes you will spend a long time wishing you had learned to do things the right way.
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yeah..! because *any* and *every* liar, cheater, and criminal got caught. The only way you'll get caught in the future is if you misjudge the risks or forget to cover your tracks. Look at Enron CFO Fastow - this guy is one of my personal heroes! He took some calculated risks, made himself a buttload of money (defrauded companies, the government, and investors out of tens of millions of dollars), covered his tracks (knowing he could plea bargain) and got out of it by spending a relatively short time in a white collar prison and paying a (relatively) small fine, and keeping the rest of his loot. If you can outsmart the system and avoid getting complacent, you'll always be ahead of the game.

I would recommend avoiding cheating yourself if it will hurt you knowledge wise or hurt you personally in the long run. (ie: never learning material for med school tests and then not being able to pass step 1).
 
dopaminesurge said:
I'm pretty sure you PMd me the other day, but at this point I'm not sure you're not a troll...

Seriously, what's with the love and singing a bondfire song schtick? It's f*cked that someone would consider doing this, so let people proclaim that rather than telling them to forgive her with their christian hearts.

EDIT: I didn't mean that to sound so abrasive. I like to S, even if you're a troll.
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awww thank you haha, i don't mind, but yea i just like to see everyone getting along and lift each other up and yes i am christian so u caught me there. i guess i will go back to my computational complexity homework. *waves. and yes i DID pm you.

i will abstain from this thread.
 
If I don't get into med school because some jackass lied their way through, I will be REALLY pissed. Hopefully it's found out they lied and cheated and get kicked out.
 
kemper said:
I get out enough that I haven't had time to post over 6000 times on a website. Yeah I can tell you must get out alot. 6000 times are you kidding me. I guess its understandable if one is trying to help, but you don't seem like that type to me.
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Dude, you may get out but not enough to realize that good does not always triumph, the guilty are not always punished, and liars are not always caught.

I am proud to have probably had one of the shortest, most succint AMCAS applications despite the fact that I am 43, served as Marine for many years, ran my own engineering firm, and was a pillar of my local Greek Orthodox Church. Not to mention having a family. I probably had a total of ten lines describing it all, without the usual "implemented," "coordinated," "facilitated," "spear-headed" and other action words describing nothing at all but beloved of the pre-med community on SDN.

My personal statement for ERAS was two short paragraphs.

I have reviewed many resumes in my time and I am strongly prejudiced against those which try to make caviar out of crap. Honesty is the best policy but it is in short supply for almost everybody applying to medical school. The system and the expectations make liars and cowards of us all.

I'd like to read a personal statement that begins, "I didn't go to Africa, I have no desire to go to Africa, and I'm not even sure I even give a crap about Africa. I'm not, applying to an African medical school."

Hey, do applicants to African medical schools write about how they held Dead American Babies in Appalachia?
 
kemper said:
I get out enough that I haven't had time to post over 6000 times on a website. Yeah I can tell you must get out alot. 6000 times are you kidding me. I guess its understandable if one is trying to help, but you don't seem like that type to me.
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Jesus. I hope you don't visit my blog. Your head will probably explode.
 
Panda Bear said:
Hey, do applicants to African medical schools write about how they held Dead American Babies in Appalachia?
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Oh God, I hope so...

anyway OP, a word of advice. Flame wars aside, don't put anything on your application that you could not provide someone or some documentation to support. If you are going to say you worked X hours at X organization, be able to provide a person at said organization to back you up.
 
I agree, what is up with the ethical lying issues in pre-allo 😕

I believe in karma as well as the fact that you are cheating yourself. What comes around goes around, maybe not today or tomorrow. But something will happen, and frankly you'll end up deserving it or it will take you to a point that you will be completely miserable with yourself.
 
MasterMD said:
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WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?!?!?! i honestly hope people like this get found out and blacklisted from all schools, but that never happens in the real world... too bad 🙄
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Actually there was a case where someone lied about an award they never received and got caught and blacklisted from USF and all the other schools too.
 
mshheaddoc said:
I agree, what is up with the ethical lying issues in pre-allo 😕
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Pretty disgusting. I'm not nearly naieve enough to think that everyone going into medicine is perfectly altruistic or bound by a golden moral compass, but to think that such a high percentage of applicants (and statistically, likely a high percentage of matriculants) have such flexible ethics is amazing.
 
I think dopaminesurge's dopamine is falling into cocaine addiction, what a shame. 🙁

Source: Nature Article
 
Panda Bear said:
Dude, you may get out but not enough to realize that good does not always triumph, the guilty are not always punished, and liars are not always caught.

I am proud to have probably had one of the shortest, most succint AMCAS applications despite the fact that I am 43, served as Marine for many years, ran my own engineering firm, and was a pillar of my local Greek Orthodox Church. Not to mention having a family. I probably had a total of ten lines describing it all, without the usual "implemented," "coordinated," "facilitated," "spear-headed" and other action words describing nothing at all but beloved of the pre-med community on SDN.

My personal statement for ERAS was two short paragraphs.

I have reviewed many resumes in my time and I am strongly prejudiced against those which try to make caviar out of crap. Honesty is the best policy but it is in short supply for almost everybody applying to medical school. The system and the expectations make liars and cowards of us all.

I'd like to read a personal statement that begins, "I didn't go to Africa, I have no desire to go to Africa, and I'm not even sure I even give a crap about Africa. I'm not, applying to an African medical school."

Hey, do applicants to African medical schools write about how they held Dead American Babies in Appalachia?
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Hmmm, High opinion of oneself (your posts and blog), self-promoting (your blog), low opinion of others (your posts and blogs), that sir is some of the criteria necessary for being labeled narcissistic. Now I understand where all your anger comes from. When you are so much better, smarter,.... than the rest of the people in the world, It's very frustrating for a narcissist like you to deal with the rest of us. I'm sorry that we make life so difficult for you.
 
kemper said:
Hmmm, High opinion of oneself (your posts and blog), self-promoting (your blog), low opinion of others (your posts and blogs), that sir is some of the criteria necessary for being labeled narcissistic.
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I've butted heads with Panda on occassion and definitely don't agree with everything the guy says (to put it mildly), but he contributes to the forums and makes them a more informative place with a wider range of views than it would have otherwise.

Who are you again?
 
Panda Bear said:
Dude, you may get out but not enough to realize that good does not always triumph, the guilty are not always punished, and liars are not always caught.
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Thank you for the condescention. I hope you enjoy imagining everyone under the age of 43 as partially-******ed, bright eyed bunnies hopping around hoping to save the world. However, the reality is that the majority of posts on this thread concede she'd probably not get caught, but decry her morality regardless.
 
notdeadyet said:
I've butted heads with Panda on occassion and definitely don't agree with everything the guy says (to put it mildly), but he contributes to the forums and makes them a more informative place with a wider range of views than it would have otherwise.

Who are you again?
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I'm kemper..........oh I get it. Your not asking who I am , but who am I to respond to an indivdual such as PB (even if he does leave a smart ass remark). Uh oh, I went and did it again. Now I'm reponding to your smart ass remark.
 
WAIT A MINUTE!! 🙂 :idea:

IF the OP is asking about lying about summer plans...don't any of us want to know what she was REALLY doing last summer ?!? Hehe 😱
 
I know what you did last summer
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the worst thing that can happen is they can kick you out or pull your degree.

it's a dumb thing to do
 
desout777 said:
the worst thing that can happen is they can kick you out or pull your degree.

it's a dumb thing to do
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There was a thread about this sort of thing last year in which there was a story about a guy at Baylor who had lied about something on his app and got caught in 3rd year. At any rate, he got kicked out of medical school for it.
 
It's not something I would do. But, for you, since you've done it before and are happy with the results, you need to weigh your options. Is it worth getting kicked out of med school for one made up exciting EC that you can't defend, prove, or talk about in interviews? Bite the bullet, get some research/clinical/life experience and maybe even have some fun doing it. No one is telling you to go stack linens in an ER, find something you like, make it meaningful...blah blah blah. You know all this....I think this is a troll. And in terms of trolling..you seem to have been successful!
 
LuvMyPup said:
It's not something I would do. But, for you, since you've done it before and are happy with the results, you need to weigh your options. Is it worth getting kicked out of med school for one made up exciting EC that you can't defend, prove, or talk about in interviews? Bite the bullet, get some research/clinical/life experience and maybe even have some fun doing it. No one is telling you to go stack linens in an ER, find something you like, make it meaningful...blah blah blah. You know all this....I think this is a troll. And in terms of trolling..you seem to have been successful!
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Agree. 👍

While probably more people don't get caught than those that do, it does happen. Also, there's going to be a point in your life (a point rapidly approaching) where you're not going to be able to lie about having done certain things or having certain skills, because medicine is an increasingly small world and you're going to have to actually prove your abilities. ("Oh sure, I know how to put in a central line, I've done it millions of times....oh wait, you actually want me to *do* one, like, right now?")
 
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