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Love the OR and have a move in date scheduled for a little over 4 weeks before school starts. Fiancée is a nurse who will be working 40+ hours a week, so I'm wanting to have something to do to pass the time. Reached out to my med school and they have opportunities for research in pediatric and vascular surgery. All are clinical so a pub is possible I feel like if I commit to one of them. Go for it and relax during M1 or wait and try to find something later on in M1/M2?
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YoungDoc25 said:
Love the OR and have a move in date scheduled for a little over 4 weeks before school starts. Fiancée is a nurse who will be working 40+ hours a week, so I'm wanting to have something to do to pass the time. Reached out to my med school and they have opportunities for research in pediatric and vascular surgery. All are clinical so a pub is possible I feel like if I commit to one of them. Go for it and relax during M1 or wait and try to find something later on in M1/M2?
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The fact that you are even asking this means 1. You're just trying to brag. 2. You don't actually like being competitive and just wanna tip toe around it however you like the *thought* of being a surgeon.

A real G would have taken both the peds and vascular opportunities and delivered on both of them while still planning for summer after M1.
 
DNC127 said:
The fact that you are even asking this means 1. You're just trying to brag. 2. You don't actually like being competitive and just wanna tip toe around it however you like the *thought* of being a surgeon.

A real G would have taken both the peds and vascular opportunities and delivered on both of them while still planning for summer after M1.
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Not sure how I got you triggered by that? Just genuinely interested if spending my last 4 "free" weeks doing research is worth it from people at schools with these wonderful opportunities for research. Sorry If that doesn't include you and your DO school 👍
 
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YoungDoc25 said:
Sure.

Any input on the opportunity being worth giving up the last few weeks of summer?
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It's only a few weeks. I'm sure it won't negatively affect you. But, you know yourself the best.

Idk man what interests you? If you can get a pub out of it then that is always good, ya know? Also depends on what your interests are. Your school sounds like it has ample opportunities for students so if you pass it up then it sounds like you can easily get connected next year or the year after. Your call.
 
YoungDoc25 said:
Not sure how I got you triggered by that? Just genuinely interested if spending my last 4 "free" weeks doing research is worth it from people at schools with these wonderful opportunities for research. Sorry If that doesn't include you and your DO school 👍
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Definitely take it, for multiple reasons:

1) Real research is incredibly valuable come match time, and does not often fall in your lap.

2) These are by no means your last 4 weeks of freedom. MS1 and MS2 has pretty much the same insane vacation schedule as college and you even get a summer after MS1. 4 weeks is not a big loss.

3) Have you ever had a third slice of pie after thanksgiving dinner? It's good pie, but it's just not that good to you because you're already full up on that particular kind of good thing. That's what 4 weeks of freedom at the end of college is like.
 
YoungDoc25 said:
Not sure how I got you triggered by that? Just genuinely interested if spending my last 4 "free" weeks doing research is worth it from people at schools with these wonderful opportunities for research. Sorry If that doesn't include you and your DO school 👍
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Actually have seven manuscripts (5 first author) in peer-review, two of which are revise and resubmits likely to get published in the number 1 journal in the world for their respective fields, presented or been accepted for presentation at multiple state/national level conferences, and have received thousands of dollars in grant money as an M1 and will be flown to that societies conference on their dime to present my research... so I think my DO school is providing me ample opportunities to get research. If you are truly interested in surgery, your question was quite silly.... like c'mon you just got offered a great opportunity and you need to come to SDN to ask if you should do it? Ask dumb questions, get dumb responses. If you don't take this opportunity those 4 weeks will fly by anyways and you would be wishing you had just padded your CV before school started.
 
ChiTownBHawks said:
It's only a few weeks. I'm sure it won't negatively affect you. But, you know yourself the best.

Idk man what interests you? If you can get a pub out of it then that is always good, ya know? Also depends on what your interests are. Your school sounds like it has ample opportunities for students so if you pass it up then it sounds like you can easily get connected next year or the year after. Your call.
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I appreciate the input. My interests really just involve working with very sick people and having a range of procedures/surgeries. Really enjoy vascular for that reason. Enjoyed being in the NICU so ped surgery has been a thought but I've never been exposed to it. Typical M0 basically. Not a clue in the world as to what I'll end up doing :laugh: just know these are super competitive specialties with aspects that I like and would be to my advantage to get a pub in if I ended up loving them
 
Perrotfish said:
Definitely take it, for multiple reasons:

1) Real research is incredibly valuable come match time, and does not often fall in your lap.

2) These are by no means your last 4 weeks of freedom. MS1 and MS2 has pretty much the same insane vacation schedule as college and you even get a summer after MS1. 4 weeks is not a big loss.

3) Have you ever had a third slice of pie after thanksgiving dinner? It's good pie, but it's just not that good to you because you're already full up on that particular kind of good thing. That's what 4 weeks of freedom at the end of college is like.
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Haha love the pie analogy! You make a good point about it not being my last little bit of free time though. And having free time later on in M2/M3 may be more valued after trying to stay afloat for 2-3 years in med school. Thanks!
 
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That time of the year when pre-meds start coming to allo. It's always so refreshing. We play slightly nicer outside of pre-allo, the shoulder chip isn't as necessary here man 😉
 
Mr Roboto said:
That time of the year when pre-meds start coming to allo. It's always so refreshing. We play slightly nicer outside of pre-allo, the shoulder chip isn't as necessary here man 😉
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Ah, yes. I can't wait for the first day of school when I finally become an M1. The 2 months between now and then will truly be enlightening/life changing 🙄
 
YoungDoc25 said:
Not sure how I got you triggered by that? Just genuinely interested if spending my last 4 "free" weeks doing research is worth it from people at schools with these wonderful opportunities for research. Sorry If that doesn't include you and your DO school 👍
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YoungDoc25 said:
Ah, yes. I can't wait for the first day of school when I finally become an M1. The 2 months between now and then will truly be enlightening/life changing 🙄
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You have two options when leaving your ego at the door: you can either get off your high horse now or let your attendings destroy you for it. Your choice, but I'd go with the former.
 
AcademicNeurosurgery said:
You have two options when leaving your ego at the door: you can either get off your high horse now or let your attendings destroy you for it. Your choice, but I'd go with the former.
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No ego at all. Just asked a genuine question and got a ridiculous response. If you'd like to give advice though, I'd gladly take it on the original question.
 
YoungDoc25 said:
No ego at all. Just asked a genuine question and got a ridiculous response. If you'd like to give advice though, I'd gladly take it on the original question.
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Definitely an ego when you bash other health professionals. Again, you can act however you want, just trying to help you out.

With regards to your original question, it's really up to you. Research is valuable for all specialties, but necessary for competitive specialties. If you feel rested and ready to go, definitely go for it. If you are feeling burnt out from undergrad, don't push yourself and instead relax and develop healthy habits for a balanced life.

I would personally go for it, but that's because I enjoy being academically productive (particularly in research) and knew I wanted a competitive specialty. There will be other opportunities for research though so don't feel like this is a make or break opportunity.

Best of luck to you.
 
AcademicNeurosurgery said:
Definitely an ego when you bash other health professionals. Again, you can act however you want, just trying to help you out.

With regards to your original question, it's really up to you. Research is valuable for all specialties, but necessary for competitive specialties. If you feel rested and ready to go, definitely go for it. If you are feeling burnt out from undergrad, don't push yourself and instead relax and develop healthy habits for a balanced life.

I would personally go for it, but that's because I enjoy being academically productive (particularly in research) and knew I wanted a competitive specialty. There will be other opportunities for research though so don't feel like this is a make or break opportunity.

Best of luck to you.
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I applied to DO schools as well...? He was an a** in his response, so I jabbed back. I don't see the issue.

I appreciate the insight though. I've had a gap year spent in the hospital wiping butts, so this might actually be a good tune up before school.
 
meurotic said:
Bruh, you can't mess with allo the way you mess around with the pre-med forum. You'll get eaten alive.
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YoungDoc25 said:
I applied to DO schools as well...? He was an a** in his response, so I jabbed back. I don't see the issue.
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Okay, and you got into an MD school. Mentioning DO schools is irrelevant, plenty of DOs are productive in research. You used it as an insult, we're not dumb.

So he said something that hurt your feelings, you very maturely "jabbed back", and we are the snowflakes?
 
AcademicNeurosurgery said:
Okay, and you got into an MD school. Mentioning DO schools is irrelevant, plenty of DOs are productive in research. You used it as an insult, we're not dumb.

So he said something that hurt your feelings, you very maturely "jabbed back", and we are the snowflakes?
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I know that about DO schools, hence the reason I applied to them. I said that as to show you I don't look down on them like you said. Why would I apply if I felt I was superior..?

Yes. I asked a legitimate question and someone said something dumb, so I responded with something as dumb. And then I put a comment out there with clear sarcasm about you all being snowflakes. Somehow triggered you too. Man, allo is sensitive tonight
 
For those hopping in late (TL;DR)

M0 posts question about opportunity. Current M(insert number)s didnt have that at the time, so M0 is automatically hit with humble brag/big ego slams with few actual responses. M0 makes dig at DO and Allo (ironic enough) becomes a sensitive mess.

Stay tuned
 
YoungDoc25 said:
I know that about DO schools, hence the reason I applied to them. ... Why would I apply if I felt I was superior..?
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Because you knew you were borderline for MD and were playing it smart/safe.

YoungDoc25 said:
For those hopping in late (TL;DR)

M0 posts question about opportunity. Current M(insert number)s didnt have that at the time, so M0 is automatically hit with humble brag/big ego slams with few actual responses. M0 makes dig at DO and Allo (ironic enough) becomes a sensitive mess.

Stay tuned
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If you're really interested in gunning for it, then take the opportunities that have presented themselves to you. This really isn't a hard decision to make, four weeks isn't going to make or break your summer vacation.

Also, for the love of God, please do not be one of my future classmates.
 
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is M0 really becoming a thing?
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Some schools are starting to refer to applicants in that way during interview days, and I latched onto it a little bit because I just think it's funny/harmless. One of the school's I interviewed at had an "M0 Dinner" afterwards where they invited current students to talk with interviewees. But to say something like "Oh, I'm not a pre-med, I'm an M0" is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen.
 
Écureuil said:
Some schools are starting to refer to applicants in that way during interview days, and I latched onto it a little bit because I just think it's funny/harmless. One of the school's I interviewed at had an "M0 Dinner" afterwards where they invited current students to talk with interviewees. But to say something like "Oh, I'm not a pre-med, I'm an M0" is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen.
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To each their own. I see a premed as someone who is applying and/or not accepted. An M0 is one who has accepted a seat at an actual medical school but has not began the curriculum. Our current student body refers to all of us this way. Not that one is better than the other, but it does make identifying where you are in the process much more clear. My comment on that above was clear sarcasm as it had nothing to do with my original question. You missed that, as did most other people in this thread and took everything entirely too personally.
 
Écureuil said:
I'm sure your mind-reading powers are going to get you really far in medicine. In any case, trying to inflate the importance of M0 over that of pre-med as a title is just a pissing contest. Seeing all of the above 'rebuttals', I'd say to just try not to get smacked down too hard by someone who actually matters, best of luck dude.
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Considering I clearly said it isn't a matter of one being better than the other (or "pissing contest"), but that it is nice for clarification, I don't need mind reading powers to evaluate your understanding of my posts. Thanks for contributing to this awesome thread 👍
 
YoungDoc25 said:
To each their own. I see a premed as someone who is applying and/or not accepted. An M0 is one who has accepted a seat at an actual medical school but has not began the curriculum. Our current student body refers to all of us this way. Not that one is better than the other, but it does make identifying where you are in the process much more clear. My comment on that above was clear sarcasm as it had nothing to do with my original question. You missed that, as did most other people in this thread and took everything entirely too personally.
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Oh, come on.

You're excited and proud of being accepted to medical school (an understandable feeling, btw) and as a result want to brand yourself with this new, silly, status of M0. Your reason for doing this is no mystery to anyone. Do you take us for fools? Your attempt to justify using this term that most people haven't heard used before for the sake of clarity is laughable.

If indeed you don't have prejudice towards DOs, as you claim, but you lashed out with a disparaging comment towards DOs because you felt like it would be hurtful, you have impulse control issues. Do you also lash out at people with epithets when they say something you don't like? You better get this under control before medical school. You are going to realize that you need people's help to learn medicine. That won't be easy with your attitude.

As for your original question, the answer to this is very personal. Research will be helpful and for some specialties you will probably want to have some research during med school at some point. That said, people can and do match every specialty without the opportunity you had. It really depends on how much a summer is worth to you in relation to doing the research. Nobody but you knows what you want to do with that time otherwise. Maybe you have a family member who is getting married and you really want to be there, or whatever. Nobody but you fully understands your priorities. The only two facts we can give about this situation are the following:

1. Research this summer would be helpful for your career aspirations.
2. Not doing research this summer will not put you out of the running for any specialties.
 
sloop said:
Oh, come on.

You're excited and proud of being accepted to medical school (an understandable feeling, btw) and as a result want to brand yourself with this new, silly, status of M0. Your reason for doing this is no mystery to anyone. Do you take us for fools? Your attempt to justify using this term that most people haven't heard used before for the sake of clarity is laughable.

If indeed you don't have prejudice towards DOs, as you claim, but you lashed out with a disparaging comment towards DOs because you felt like it would be hurtful, you have impulse control issues. Do you also lash out at people with epithets when they say something you don't like? You better get this under control before medical school. You are going to realize that you need people's help to learn medicine. That won't be easy with your attitude.

As for your original question, the answer to this is very personal. Research will be helpful and for some specialties you will probably want to have some research during med school at some point. That said, people can and do match every specialty wiut the opportunity you had. It really depends on how much a summer is worth to you in relation to doing the research. Nobody but you knows what you want to do with that time otherwise. Maybe you have a family member who is getting married and you really want to be there, or whatever. Nobody but you fully understands your priorities. The only two facts we can give about this situation are the following:

1. Research this summer would be helpful for your career aspirations.
2. Not doing research this summer will not put you out of the running for any specialties.
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M0 isn't some new term..? At least not where I'm from. I have no secret motive either, so I'm not sure really what you're reaching for.

I lashed out because I got a ridiculous answer that attacked me, so yes I dug back. I have 0 impulse controls. This is an anonymous website with nothing but keyboard warriors, so I had nothing to lose. Attributing that to how I conduct myself in public is a pretty big stretch. I work in the hospital around attendings every day, and I have great relationships with them and the medical students that come through there. I am not worried, but thanks for your concern. Forunately, people answer most questions like I asked in real life with genuine advice. Seemingly a far stretch to receive such advice here on Allo until my title is M1. Lesson learned.

Thanks for the actual thoughts on the situation though. Just wasn't sure as far as it being worthwhile to people on here. Like the prestudying topic constantly brought up, a perspective from people who have done it is valued.
 
Just depends on what you value I guess..

If you want to hit the ground running, do the research. When you hop into school, you will already be in your zone. Plus, like previously mentioned, it will be nice to throw on your CV, ya know?
If you want to take the time off to pursue interests outside of medicine before locking yourself down, do that.

Either way, you really can't go wrong friend.

Goodluck.
 
SunnyDO said:
Just depends on what you value I guess..

If you want to hit the ground running, do the research. When you hop into school, you will already be in your zone. Plus, like previously mentioned, it will be nice to throw on your CV, ya know?
If you want to take the time off to pursue interests outside of medicine before locking yourself down, do that.

Either way, you really can't go wrong friend.

Goodluck.
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Exactly what I was looking for. I really appreciate it.
 
YoungDoc25 said:
Exactly what I was looking for. I really appreciate it.
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But but.....He's a filthy inferior DO, aren't you gonna take a dig at him? You're just gonna thank him for his advice? No berating? No lashings? If Sir Osler were alive he'd have you flogged!
 
RogueBanana said:
But but.....He's a filthy inferior DO, aren't you gonna take a dig at him? You're just gonna thank him for his advice? No berating? No lashings? If Sir Osler were alive he'd have you flogged!
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It seems as though I've had a sudden change of heart 😉
 
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