Marrying Female MDs

LADoc00

Gen X, the last great generation
Removed
15+ Year Member
Joined
Sep 9, 2004
Messages
7,132
Reaction score
1,250
http://www.jhu.edu/~gazette/janmar97/mar1797/briefs.html


The divorce rate for female physicians was higher than for males (37 percent versus 28 percent). Physicians who reported themselves to be less emotionally close to their parents, and who also expressed more anger under stress, had significantly higher divorce rates.

Wow, pretty big difference there.

Those married before graduation had a higher divorce rate than those waiting until after graduation. "Marriage after medical school may allow the relationship to develop in a less stressful environment," Klag suggested.

Interesting tidbit for those dating female med students.

Members don't see this ad.
 
Well, at least internists are down at 24%... so 1 out of 4, instead of the 1 out of 3 for surgeons, and 1 out of 2 for psychiatrist... guess they realize that their husbands are crazy.

The tests also did not factor in how hot the women were... bet you the attractive ones had a higher rate of divorce... I watch Grey's Anatomy...

Seriously, it is obvious that marrying anybody in a medical career is gonna come with some baggage... and if you are not willing to deal with it, you're gonna be divorced... and it takes input from both sides to make it work.

Specialists are also gonna have to pay out more alimony...
 
Members don't see this ad :)
Interesting tidbit for those dating female med students.

I have read sme other posts by LAdoc and I am finding a trend... are you jealous?
 
So...I'm a female, just starting my residency in psychiatry, and married DURING medical school.

Discuss. :rolleyes:
 
Well, after reading THAT study... You might want to think about a pre-nup... JK
 
psych has chill hours in and out of res.

not every specialty is so lenient on the resident/attending practicing it..

So...I'm a female, just starting my residency in psychiatry, and married DURING medical school.

Discuss. :rolleyes:
 
The national divorce rate is just above 50%, so do doctors get divorced at much lower rates than the population at large?
 
http://www.jhu.edu/~gazette/janmar97/mar1797/briefs.html
"The divorce rate for female physicians was higher than for males (37 percent versus 28 percent). Physicians who reported themselves to be less emotionally close to their parents, and who also expressed more anger under stress, had significantly higher divorce rates."

Wow, pretty big difference there. Interesting tidbit for those dating female med students.

The national divorce rate is just above 50%,so do doctors get divorced at much lower rates than the population at large?

I'd say this data suggests that being married to a female physician improves your odds of a successful marriage significantly.
 
Interesting tidbit for those dating female med students.
I think you misinterpreted the statistic for the difference in divorce rate based on when the marriage occurred. The numbers given (showing those married while in school are more likely to divorce) is for all doctors, not just female doctors.

So, basically, heads up to anyone dating anyone currently in medical school.
 
I think you misinterpreted the statistic for the difference in divorce rate based on when the marriage occurred. The numbers given (showing those married while in school are more likely to divorce) is for all doctors, not just female doctors.

So, basically, heads up to anyone dating anyone currently in medical school.

I usually just lurk here because I'm way too busy in the hospital to post... But I just had to jump in for a second. I have so many friends who got married in med school and while in residency who are doing incredibly and did NOT divorce! They even had kids. :cool: Don't live your life by statistics, people. If you do, you're letting other people's failures and fears dictate your choices. I'd rather let my own abilities and my faith in God (if you have that) to dictate mine. :)

Marriage is nothing to be feared, nor should it be "put in a box" only to be pursued when you have "all your ducks in a row." Love is a very rare thing, and many people never find it. Life is too short to live by fear. If you're lucky enough for God to bring love into your life, grab onto it for all you're worth and never let go! Don't run away because your life is "busy."

Marriage is "for better or worse, for richer or poorer, til death do us part." That means you stay together whether you have long hours in residency or not, whether your spouse gets sick or not, whether you lose a job or not... The question shouldn't be: "Is this the perfect time in my life to get married?" The question should be: "Did God bring us together?" And, "Will this person stay with me through thick and thin?"

In other words... Enjoy the blessings that life brings. Don't run from them out of fear. :rolleyes: We're doctors, not martyrs. ;)
 
Members don't see this ad :)
The only thing sweeter than marrying a doctor, is divorcing one!:smuggrin:


A bitter but wise old doctor once told me, the best thing to do - don't ever get married. If you absolutely have to get married, make sure you don't ever get divorced.
 
The tests also did not factor in how hot the women were... bet you the attractive ones had a higher rate of divorce... I watch Grey's Anatomy...

:)


Not married yet, but I always thought I would most likely marry someone within a similar profession. I just think they're more likely to "get it." Of course I'm not limiting myself to a particular pool of "prospects," but I think people who've been through that type of stress and everything would better understand why I couldn't come home last night or don't feel like going out.
 
:)


Not married yet, but I always thought I would most likely marry someone within a similar profession. I just think they're more likely to "get it." Of course I'm not limiting myself to a particular pool of "prospects," but I think people who've been through that type of stress and everything would better understand why I couldn't come home last night or don't feel like going out.

Its really interesting: Women docs/premed/med students want to marry someone of similar status. Men predominantly want to marry a stay at home wife about 5-10 years younger than themselves who hasnt embarked on serious career ambitions. Obviously there is overlap.

BUT, the problem is there are FAR FAR more women who are MDs interested in marrying male MDs than there are men who will take them up on the offer. Bringing me to my next point, there are more single women MDs out there than other profession Ive encounter while the fraction of single unmarried male MDs post training is VANISHLY small. Especially post-35 years old.

How does that info effect you gals? Are you optimistic regardless? Or worried? Unconcerned because you have a cat? What?
 
Its really interesting: Women docs/premed/med students want to marry someone of similar status. Men predominantly want to marry a stay at home wife about 5-10 years younger than themselves who hasnt embarked on serious career ambitions. Obviously there is overlap.

BUT, the problem is there are FAR FAR more women who are MDs interested in marrying male MDs than there are men who will take them up on the offer. Bringing me to my next point, there are more single women MDs out there than other profession Ive encounter while the fraction of single unmarried male MDs post training is VANISHLY small. Especially post-35 years old.

How does that info effect you gals? Are you optimistic regardless? Or worried? Unconcerned because you have a cat? What?

As an already married female physician, perhaps it's not really my place to answer your question, but I will anyway :)

The thing is, what else are single, intelligent women with an interest in medicine supposed to do? It's simply not realistic to tell young women in this day and age that they should avoid pursuing high powered, high paying careers because they MAY decrease their chances for marriage later on. Well, many women who pursue pretty low prestige, low paying jobs don't end up getting married either. While they're waiting around for their rich, MD husband to come along, they're losing out big time financially because they've decided to puruse a less intensive career. Then they're still single, and they hit 30, moving on to 35....still single.

What I'm trying to say is that avoiding becoming a physician is far from a guarantee that a young woman will end up happily married to a successful MD (or insert similar type of career) husband. On the other hand, pursuing an MD for themselves is basically a guarantee that they will always be able to take care of themselves and live extremely well for the rest of their lives. Never mind the psychological side of giving up on your potential simply because of the risk of decreasing your chances for marriage later on.

Do you have any studies besides anecdotes saying that female med students/physicians prefer to marry the same while male med students/physicians prefer to marry beneath them educationally? It may very well be true, but in my experience, it's actually not. After the first few days of orientation, I knew that a male physician would not be for me! And I know quite a few females in my class who felt the same way. Not sure how the men felt and I actually never really asked them although there were probably about 4 or 5 who did marry other med students.
 
As an already married female physician, perhaps it's not really my place to answer your question, but I will anyway :)

The thing is, what else are single, intelligent women with an interest in medicine supposed to do? It's simply not realistic to tell young women in this day and age that they should avoid pursuing high powered, high paying careers because they MAY decrease their chances for marriage later on. Well, many women who pursue pretty low prestige, low paying jobs don't end up getting married either. While they're waiting around for their rich, MD husband to come along, they're losing out big time financially because they've decided to puruse a less intensive career. Then they're still single, and they hit 30, moving on to 35....still single.

What I'm trying to say is that avoiding becoming a physician is far from a guarantee that a young woman will end up happily married to a successful MD (or insert similar type of career) husband. On the other hand, pursuing an MD for themselves is basically a guarantee that they will always be able to take care of themselves and live extremely well for the rest of their lives. Never mind the psychological side of giving up on your potential simply because of the risk of decreasing your chances for marriage later on.

Do you have any studies besides anecdotes saying that female med students/physicians prefer to marry the same while male med students/physicians prefer to marry beneath them educationally? It may very well be true, but in my experience, it's actually not. After the first few days of orientation, I knew that a male physician would not be for me! And I know quite a few females in my class who felt the same way. Not sure how the men felt and I actually never really asked them although there were probably about 4 or 5 who did marry other med students.

Im not presenting answers only raising issues. I dont know if there are studies. I went to program with lots of single male residents. The consensus was that although all of us dated at some time a female doc, none of us wanted a serious relationship with one. Mainly for straightforward time reasons. There is only so much time you can devote to any relationship. If both of you are scheduling private time around ridiculous work hours, you will have issues. Add this to having to worry about where you will both end up for fellowship or a first job. It just isnt practical.

Consequently I saw alot of female residents who got used as booty call until the guys decided it was time to settle down. At which point they got engaged or moved in with teachers, part timers or otherwise uncumbered younger girls who could hang out, have dinner and watch a movie whenever they had a spare night.

Often this left the female residents angry, hurt and most importantly lonely. I watched it happen time and time again over 5 years.

Not that the guys couldnt also get dumped for non-MD men, some did. But BY FAR, the ladies were on the receiving end of the dumpage.

There are alot of ways to look at this but you bring up the point of "living well" assuming they go to med school. That isnt true. You *might* live well assuming you WORK. Actually more importantly, you HAVE to work to make the break even point for educational loans. That to me is limiting, very limiting in terms of life options.

IMO, there are alot of different career paths for an intelligent woman. The problem with medicine is that is a fairly inflexible one and one that requires MASSIVE amounts of training prior to turning a profit on your time investment.

I would rank medicine very low on a long of list of potential female-friendly careers but that is one guy's opinion.
 
Not that the guys couldnt also get dumped for non-MD men, some did. But BY FAR, the ladies were on the receiving end of the dumpage.

There are alot of ways to look at this but you bring up the point of "living well" assuming they go to med school. That isnt true. You *might* live well assuming you WORK. Actually more importantly, you HAVE to work to make the break even point for educational loans. That to me is limiting, very limiting in terms of life options.

IMO, there are alot of different career paths for an intelligent woman. The problem with medicine is that is a fairly inflexible one and one that requires MASSIVE amounts of training prior to turning a profit on your time investment.

I would rank medicine very low on a long of list of potential female-friendly careers but that is one guy's opinion.

Sounds like the men at your school were on the whole complete jerks or the women at your school were very naive to date men that cruel. Because I definitely didn't see that level of general meanness at my school.

I guess I assumed that when people have devoted so much time to medical school and training, I assumed they'd probably want to work. (I know I do. Anyone regardless of gender who doesn't want to work will find med school a poor investment.) All your concerns about medicine being a poor return on your investment if you don't work are pretty much true for any career. If you don't work, you won't earn money. Come one...you *might* live well if you work? Show me a physician who works full time who doesn't live reasonably well. If they're not living well, it's probably because they over-lived (in other words lived beyond their means) right as they started earning big dollars.

To say medicine would rank low on a list of female friendly careers? I find the term female friendly careers pretty insulting to begin with. How exactly do you define a female friendly career? I'm guessing any definition you can come up with involves careers that a historically lower paying, lower prestige, and require lower levels of education. As a female you graduated as valedictorian from my high school, who graduated summa cum laude from college, who quite frankly has always rather easily beat pretty much everyone including my male counterparts on standardized exams (well over 500 combined on steps 1 and 2)---to suggest that I or any other similar female should be shooed into a "female friendly career" because horror of horrors, we may decrease our likelihood of finding our knight in shining armor is extremely insulting (and not practical given today's high divorce rate and the fact that as I pointed out before, NOT pursuing a demanding career does NOT guarantee a happy marriage will come).

I assume you're a smart guy because you're a physician (or in training). Can you imagine being told you shouldn't be doing what you're doing because other physicians may not be interested in you? So what? IF that's true of most male physicians, then quite frankly, I think most male physicians are a**holes, and I wouldn't want to date them anyway. (And I'm not sure it is true. I think you and your guy friends sound like a bunch of obnoxious frat guys. My male friends from med school did not behave like that.) IF the females in your class keep sleeping with them in spite of this type of behaviour, then they clearly have some issues, too. Either they're reasonably okay with the booty call thing (women have needs, too) or they have serious insecurity issues (which posts and attitudes like yours only conveniently promote).

I'm glad you're happy just raising issues and not presenting answers. I feel like you really enjoy raising these types of issues and have started threads like this in the past. Why are you so interested in women in medicine and their potential marriage plans? The reason you're not presenting answers to your own dilemmas is because there aren't good answers. When I ask, what else are women supposed to do--you know it's unreasonable to advise intelligent women to act dumb for the sake of a man.

Disclaimer here: I have been a happy wife for the past three years! A happy wife with an MD whose husband has a PhD in a non-medical science who has been super supportive of me throughout medical school and residency so far.
 
It seems you might have chip on your shoulder. I fully understand.

I have known more than few female residents who desperately wanted to date someone, anyone in the hospital and it wasnt going to happen. I felt bad just watchin the whole thing play out. But so is life.

I dont think male docs are aholes, quite the contrary, my experience is that most docs in general are fairly laid back logical types, a subset are arrogant pricks who are awesome at their job and another subset are dissatisified bitter lonely single women. There isnt a diassatified bitter lonely guy category. It doesnt exist. In fact the most happy go lucky docs I know are single guys (either recently divorced or never married) in their 40s and 50s.

Medicine is a female unfriendly career path, I really stand by that. Law is FAR better due to far less education time, the more rapid realization of return on investment and general hours once you are in your mid 30s. Law also seems to be an easier start-stop career should you want to have kids.

Of course Im not an attorney but that is my assessment of situation.

"I think most male physicians are a**holes, and I wouldn't want to date them anyway" translation: I dated a male med student/premed/resident etc. and it didnt work out. I hold a grudge that will impair my peer relationships with male docs for years to come and ultimately stunt my career aspirations. I dont care though because I want to show the world I can be a real bee-otch when pissed off.

"A happy wife with an MD whose husband has a PhD in a non-medical science who has been super supportive of me throughout medical school and residency so far." translation: Yeah I settled but I refuse to show society that and I will make emphatic thread posts to that effect. I dont like to lose and I will scratch your eyes out if you claim I have...

"Sounds like the men at your school were on the whole complete jerks" translation: Yeah I really wish guys at the hospital/med school had asked me out or at least flirted. It didnt happen and now I will rationalize it is because they are all spawn of Satan.

"Show me a physician who works full time who doesn't live reasonably well" translation: Im still a med student or resident. Have never held down a real medical job and obviously dont understand a single damn thing about healthcare econ. But Im married, luckily a 2-income family if things dont work out.

Overall, I would guess..guess you arent all that attractive and have a underlying insecurity that has been gnawing at you since junior high when the "Heathers" who were cheerleaders got all the attention of popular alpha-male types and you spent afternoons at tea parties with your somewhat homely pudgy friend Betty. It continued onto high school where you played a few sports but spent the majority of your time studying vying for anyway to wrest the attention of males from the cute-girl crowd. You entered university with the solemn goal your quest for self-actualization would end and you met a self-proclaimed non-medical PhD male who fulfilled your ever dropping expectations. It was a small ceremony and a honeymoon in Mexico. He rarely says much to you these days when drinking coffee and reading the morning paper, but at least you have your man....good job!
 
It seems you might have chip on your shoulder. I fully understand.

I have known more than few female residents who desperately wanted to date someone, anyone in the hospital and it wasnt going to happen. I felt bad just watchin the whole thing play out. But so is life.

I dont think male docs are aholes, quite the contrary, my experience is that most docs in general are fairly laid back logical types, a subset are arrogant pricks who are awesome at their job and another subset are dissatisified bitter lonely single women. There isnt a diassatified bitter lonely guy category. It doesnt exist. In fact the most happy go lucky docs I know are single guys (either recently divorced or never married) in their 40s and 50s.

Medicine is a female unfriendly career path, I really stand by that. Law is FAR better due to far less education time, the more rapid realization of return on investment and general hours once you are in your mid 30s. Law also seems to be an easier start-stop career should you want to have kids.

Of course Im not an attorney but that is my assessment of situation.

"I think most male physicians are a**holes, and I wouldn't want to date them anyway" translation: I dated a male med student/premed/resident etc. and it didnt work out. I hold a grudge that will impair my peer relationships with male docs for years to come and ultimately stunt my career aspirations. I dont care though because I want to show the world I can be a real bee-otch when pissed off.

"A happy wife with an MD whose husband has a PhD in a non-medical science who has been super supportive of me throughout medical school and residency so far." translation: Yeah I settled but I refuse to show society that and I will make emphatic thread posts to that effect. I dont like to lose and I will scratch your eyes out if you claim I have...

"Sounds like the men at your school were on the whole complete jerks" translation: Yeah I really wish guys at the hospital/med school had asked me out or at least flirted. It didnt happen and now I will rationalize it is because they are all spawn of Satan.

"Show me a physician who works full time who doesn't live reasonably well" translation: Im still a med student or resident. Have never held down a real medical job and obviously dont understand a single damn thing about healthcare econ. But Im married, luckily a 2-income family if things dont work out.

Overall, I would guess..guess you arent all that attractive and have a underlying insecurity that has been gnawing at you since junior high when the "Heathers" who were cheerleaders got all the attention of popular alpha-male types and you spent afternoons at tea parties with your somewhat homely pudgy friend Betty. It continued onto high school where you played a few sports but spent the majority of your time studying vying for anyway to wrest the attention of males from the cute-girl crowd. You entered university with the solemn goal your quest for self-actualization would end and you met a self-proclaimed non-medical PhD male who fulfilled your ever dropping expectations. It was a small ceremony and a honeymoon in Mexico. He rarely says much to you these days when drinking coffee and reading the morning paper, but at least you have your man....good job!

Dude you are so wrong it's not even funny. I never wanted to date any of my male medical school classmates or other premeds or residents because I was already attached. I met my husband when we were still children. I dated a few other guys along the way but never anyone in healthcare. We have a solid, strong marriage with a moderate sized ceremony (not sure how the size of my wedding relates to this issue in any way what so ever, but hey, that doesn't seem to matter to you). And we honeymooned on a cruise, not Mexico. But I'm sure Mexcio would have been great, too. And we don't subscribe the morning paper--we're more internet news types.

As far as saying all male med students/doctors are a**holes--I love your convenient method of cut and paste. Your the one that keeps saying all the guys you know love to make booty calls out of their female colleagues. I'm the one defending the men I know in the medical profession by saying the ones I know do not participate in such behaviour. If anyone is making men look like a**holes, it's you, not me. That's my whole point--I don't think all men are jerks or the spawn of satan. I have much higher hopes and standards for the behaviour of men than you do.

How is marrying your childhood sweetheart who now has a PhD settling in any way whatsoever? I don't even know how to interpret that statement.

You ask questions and when someone threatens your thesis or brings up contradictory points, you resort to personal attacks about how someone must look or acted like in high school and think you must know how strong their marriage is? Lame lame lame lame lame. I'm 5'5", 125lbs, and have been told on more than one occasion that I look like Angelina Jolie. But you know what? IT DOESN'T MATTER. Ugly and obese people deserve good careers and loving marriages, too.

Clearly I musn't know a thing about health care economics because I think physicians live reasonably well. Damn, that double major in microbiology and economics was really a waste of time.

(Notice how I managed to respond to your post without making any references to your penis size, type of car you drive, your status as the high school chess champion, or any other inane, unproveable personal attack. It's called maturity. Try it some day--you'll find it beats being bitter. You may call me a bitter bee-atch all you want. The only person I see acting bitter on here is you. Because from what I can tell, unlike you, I AM happily married and I AM quite happy with my decision to pursue a medical career. Although I am really worried that I'll have to on food stamps and welfare at some point because becoming a physician was such a bad financial move on my part. Clearly being a teacher, nurse, secretary, or some other "female career" would have been the ticket to early retirement. Shucks.)

LADoc00--I hope you find the right woman for you someday because I truly believe everyone deserves to be happily married because it's truly is wonderful to have loving, supporting spouse to come home to every day. You seem a little bitter about the choice to puruse a medical career given that you think it's such a bad choice economically. Good luck with your students loans. Maybe if you're still in school, you can get out now and pursue something else...medicine isn't all about the money. So if you don't love it, don't do it.
 
LADoc, with all due respect, you sound like an ass. I seriously doubt for a moment you have any real sympathy for the poor female colleagues you see struggling to find meaningful relationships in the hospital.

A successful man confident with their status in life doesn't spend their time sharing their "pity" online with their poor, unloved women colleagues. A man who feels snubbed in their chosen profession might, on the other hand, attempt to compensate for his lackings with snide patronizing commentary. The fact that you've been passed up for residency, fellowship, or promotion by physicians without a penis obviously rubs you the wrong way... and you're trying to convince yourself this is acceptable, since at least you have the option of hooking up with physically attractive but intellectually under-achieving women.

Quite frankly, that option is certainly yours... but some of us are able to come to terms with the matter in a dramatically different way. Women and men in this field, just as in many others, is a meaningless distinction. Some women are uninterested in family, just as men are. Some women value professional satisfaction over relationships, just as some men do. And on the other side of the table... *some* men value professional achievement in their partners, just as women often do.

I'm the husband/spouse in my little medical marriage. I, in my non-medical career, make in one year what the typical attending will make in ten. In the years my wife will be in training, I will have made more than you will probably make over the course of your entire career in medicine. But even though I've reached the peak of my career... the last thing I wanted was a trophy wife who could decorate my house and breast-feed my babies. I wanted, and got, a doctor(-in-training) wife who will be successful at her career.

Frankly, I find the intellectual stimulation, the mutual career support absolutely thrilling... and in 5-10 years, after she finishes training, I'm hoping we'll be able to launch a new business that leverages both of our backgrounds.

When I was sitting in my luxury box with buddies + wifes/girlfriends this weekend, I personally was reveling in the fact that *my* wife was going to be a doctor... while their wives had little more than hobby careers, or were on the fast-track to soccer-mom status. That, to me, made her unbelievably sexy.

Now, I have little hope this splash of reality will actually mean much to you... whatever your psychosis is, it will most certainly take far more than the charity therapy I can throw out here to change your mind. (If I was going to dig deeper though, I'd probably want to start by digging into the poor example your mother set.)

But I do hope that the women doctors out there understand that we're not all dinosaurs out here... it's possible to have both professional and family success. Men or women, if you tackle your personal relationships with the same dedication and good judgment that you've used in your professional life, you really can have it all.
 
LADoc, with all due respect, you sound like an ass. I seriously doubt for a moment you have any real sympathy for the poor female colleagues you see struggling to find meaningful relationships in the hospital.

A successful man confident with their status in life doesn't spend their time sharing their "pity" online with their poor, unloved women colleagues. A man who feels snubbed in their chosen profession might, on the other hand, attempt to compensate for his lackings with snide patronizing commentary. The fact that you've been passed up for residency, fellowship, or promotion by physicians without a penis obviously rubs you the wrong way... and you're trying to convince yourself this is acceptable, since at least you have the option of hooking up with physically attractive but intellectually under-achieving women.

Quite frankly, that option is certainly yours... but some of us are able to come to terms with the matter in a dramatically different way. Women and men in this field, just as in many others, is a meaningless distinction. Some women are uninterested in family, just as men are. Some women value professional satisfaction over relationships, just as some men do. And on the other side of the table... *some* men value professional achievement in their partners, just as women often do.

I'm the husband/spouse in my little medical marriage. I, in my non-medical career, make in one year what the typical attending will make in ten. In the years my wife will be in training, I will have made more than you will probably make over the course of your entire career in medicine. But even though I've reached the peak of my career... the last thing I wanted was a trophy wife who could decorate my house and breast-feed my babies. I wanted, and got, a doctor(-in-training) wife who will be successful at her career.

Frankly, I find the intellectual stimulation, the mutual career support absolutely thrilling... and in 5-10 years, after she finishes training, I'm hoping we'll be able to launch a new business that leverages both of our backgrounds.

When I was sitting in my luxury box with buddies + wifes/girlfriends this weekend, I personally was reveling in the fact that *my* wife was going to be a doctor... while their wives had little more than hobby careers, or were on the fast-track to soccer-mom status. That, to me, made her unbelievably sexy.

Now, I have little hope this splash of reality will actually mean much to you... whatever your psychosis is, it will most certainly take far more than the charity therapy I can throw out here to change your mind. (If I was going to dig deeper though, I'd probably want to start by digging into the poor example your mother set.)

But I do hope that the women doctors out there understand that we're not all dinosaurs out here... it's possible to have both professional and family success. Men or women, if you tackle your personal relationships with the same dedication and good judgment that you've used in your professional life, you really can have it all.

:love: If it weren't for the fact that I know my husband doesn't frequent these boards, I would have sworn that came from his mouth (well, fingers since we're typing here). I certainly find intellectual, hard working men attractive. I can only imagine many men find the same qualities attractive in women. That's been my whole point all along--contrary to how LADoc00 tries to twist my words, it is actually ME, not him, who believes in men, who holds them to high standards, who believes in the power of strong marriage. How that makes me a man-hating, bitter woman is beyond me.

Ladies, there are good men at there. Don't be discouraged by the crap that spews out of men like LADoc00. I don't believe most men think like he does. It's just that the bitters ones are more vocal.
 
Thanks for the compliments, ladies! I'll trade them in for brownie points with the wife. No others at home like me, but I'll see what I can do about raising a couple for the next generation.

I don't mean to blow sunshine up anyone's ass, either. The statistics are what they are: balancing a successful relationship with a successful career in medicine is always hard, and it is observably more difficult for a woman than a man. But all of you are already used to beating the odds just to get to where you are professionally... so, don't stop there.
 
Thanks Heech, you beat me to it...

Can I reap some of those compliments that he got?

(Although I do not make 10 times the salary of an attending... but I have managed to make a few years worth of an attending's salary in the time it will take for a doc to get through school, residency, fellowships, AND pay back their massive loans... and that puts me ahead....)

LADoc, for a doctor... you sure have a lot of time to write on forums criticizing female doctors and making stupid one-sided observations. Maybe you should be spending that time on Match.com instead of here... because you are obviously quite the catch. Better work on that bed side manner if you wanna catch a few dates.

Me and my wife got married during her first year of Med School and 5 years and 2 kids later, we are doing just fine... I am a Mechanical Engineer, and my wife routinely tells me how she could never see anything in a male doctor... Some women are not attracted by "power" but are actually attracted to someone's character (LADoc, take some notes here...).

I have tremendious respect for my wife, and the last thing I would ever want is a stay at home mom to pop out babies and do my housework. Our relationship is a 50/50 thing... we both have respectful jobs, we both cook, we both clean, and we both take care of the kids... and when she works long hours, I cover for her...

Frankly, I feel sorry for you dude. Apparently becoming a doctor has not turned you into the chick-magnet you thought it would.
 
I would rank medicine very low on a long of list of potential female-friendly careers but that is one guy's opinion.

Just out of curiousity what would you rate as a "female friendly" career? Stripper? Secretary? NURSE? I think the only thing not "female-friendly" about being a doctor is having to answer to male doctors such as yourself.

There are alot of ways to look at this but you bring up the point of "living well" assuming they go to med school. That isnt true. You *might* live well assuming you WORK. Actually more importantly, you HAVE to work to make the break even point for educational loans. That to me is limiting, very limiting in terms of life options.

My wife has lived quite well throughout Med School and Residency, thanks to the fact that I work and we have half the loans that her peers have.

Not that the guys couldnt also get dumped for non-MD men, some did. But BY FAR, the ladies were on the receiving end of the dumpage.

translation: LADoc was on the receiving end of this "dumpage".

I dont think male docs are aholes, quite the contrary, my experience is that most docs in general are fairly laid back logical types, a subset are arrogant pricks who are awesome at their job and another subset are dissatisified bitter lonely single women.

An even smaller subset are dissatisfied bitter lonely single men who are arrogant pricks and frequent message forums for "Spouses and Partners" even though they are "Single and Lonely".
 
LADoc, with all due respect, you sound like an ass.

When I was sitting in my luxury box with buddies + wifes/girlfriends this weekend, I personally was reveling in the fact that *my* wife was going to be a doctor... while their wives had little more than hobby careers, or were on the fast-track to soccer-mom status. That, to me, made her unbelievably sexy.


Definitely believed as you did..at one point in the evolution...the reality of the situation grinds down on you though. Had a neurosurgeon today that said the hardest part of his job was arguing with his MD wife as to who's practice was more important when one of their kids got sick and someone had to close an office for a day....

I like how you drop the fact you make 10x an MD attending's salary..I can sense the machismo just below the surface of your thin veneer of metro-sexuality.

:)
 
Definitely believed as you did..at one point in the evolution...the reality of the situation grinds down on you though. Had a neurosurgeon today that said the hardest part of his job was arguing with his MD wife as to who's practice was more important when one of their kids got sick and someone had to close an office for a day....

I like how you drop the fact you make 10x an MD attending's salary..I can sense the machismo just below the surface of your thin veneer of metro-sexuality.
That kind of "debate" is not unique to MD wives; in fact, it's pretty typical for any relationship. Once in a while, it's the wife will be the neurosurgeon with a more important career... she probably gets tired of arguing the issue with her family practice husband, too. I've had to compromise on things for every day of my married life, ranging from what's for dinner to what's on TV. Only way I know to make it work.

As far as machoism... not sure why you're surprised. I'm very type-A, and very competitive in general. The only difference between our world-views is that in mine, my wife is part of the team. I don't have any plans to kick ass at her expense... instead, we'll just succeed and get rich together.

Why would I want a wife that couldn't succeed and add to our bottom line? Or give my kids the best genes possible? What's better about carrying dead weight?
 
That kind of "debate" is not unique to MD wives; in fact, it's pretty typical for any relationship. Once in a while, it's the wife will be the neurosurgeon with a more important career... she probably gets tired of arguing the issue with her family practice husband, too. I've had to compromise on things for every day of my married life, ranging from what's for dinner to what's on TV. Only way I know to make it work.

As far as machoism... not sure why you're surprised. I'm very type-A, and very competitive in general. The only difference between our world-views is that in mine, my wife is part of the team. I don't have any plans to kick ass at her expense... instead, we'll just succeed and get rich together.

Why would I want a wife that couldn't succeed and add to our bottom line? Or give my kids the best genes possible? What's better about carrying dead weight?

Not doubt this transcends medicine. It is inherent with the male-female relationship combined with the modern daily realities and ever shifting societal norms.

Of course every sane person wants their partner/SO to succeed, Im not debating that. My point is medicine is the source of unique stressors that laypeople cant really grasp by watching 2 hours of House reruns each week. The stressors are like a Hydra, when you nail one down another emerges often more potent.

Girls/young women entering medicine today are a completely different breed than the hyper career driven Gloria Steinems of yester year. They seem (and this is one guy's opinion) as a broad general group..fundamentally unprepared to deal with THE lifestyle and worse some almost come across angry and bitter because they feel "tricked" by society thinking they could have it all...

And for the record, I do feel sympathy FFS. These women were classmates, fellow trainees etc.

Im not completely cold and heartless...yet.
 
this thread frustrates me, especially some of the negative comments made on how women MDs are settling for non-MDs. i am a soon to be MD, dating a non-MD. i will totally admit that i used to think it was better to be involved with other MDs so that we could have equal "status" and similar incomes, etc. i thought that i would be happier with another MD.... i even posted about this a few months back

some time has passed and ive learned alot about how wrong i was.

if you are someone who is so obsessed with being a doctor, and that medicine is all you can talk about, all you can think about,and if you are so self righteous to think that the only people worthy of your companionship are other MDs, well then thats your choice and go ahead and marry another doctor for that purpose.

but i think most people (myself included) see medicine as a profession, as a PART of who they are. but marriage is not about finding someone with a suitable career, its about finding someone you can laugh with, someone who will support you, someone with similar goals in life.

you need to marry someone thats going to make you happy. if you happen to fall in love with a doctor, thats great. if you happen to fall in love with an architect, great. if you happen to fall in love with a teacher, great.

but nobody should just seek out spouses based on their careers. that may attract you initially but seems to spell out disaster in the long run

one of my best friends (an MD) will only date other MDs. after the first date, she claims shes found "the one". she has such a skewed perception about relationships. she forces things to work just so she can stay involved with another MD. pretty shallow but i dont have teh guts to tell her that....
 
:laugh: at LaDoc's post at pillow lmao
 
Top