MarWWel -- GAME THREAD

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WildZoo said:
And it doesn't help @cubsrule4e that your POE appears to be 2/3 made up of people in my village or village-lean pile. Or that it's only 3 people...maybe 4 if I interpret Zenge being in your POE.
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I mean some games you have clearer reads and leads than others. I’m sorry if my efforts this far haven’t been up to snuff. But if that’s something that should get an auto wolf lean then I don’t see why multiple other people shouldn’t be included in the same boat.

No one was has been interested in violet and reads on true I feel like have gone kind of back and forth. This whole fluff thing then started and most people have weighed in and voted on it so that’s where all the focus has been, I never saw it as a huge thing to go after, and part of the voting for her is to see if I’m going to be voted for next or not, which there’s nothing I can really speak to because my position on that should be pretty obvious.
 
Truenamer said:
Wow, I disagree with this list so much that it makes me want to drop you from yellow to orange 😂
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See the post I just made. If you want to wolf read me for my thoughts on others then that’s your prerogative, but you’d be wrong. People can’t be perfect every game. I helped get a wolf day 1 last game (the only reason she even made it to D2 was because fellow wolf got me to not vote her for being a new player out of the noob game, fair enough), but it’s not like there was a huge consensus backing us. It’s a ****ty feeling to not have a ton to contribute in a particular game for whatever the reason and then get called out for it, but it doesn’t make someone a wolf. A lot of the recent games I’ve played have only been 12-14 people or so, maybe the larger game has me reeling a little bit in terms of forming a solid POE.
 
justafluff said:
The fact that she hasn’t shared any reads yet, except for questioning people here and there. She also voted Barks and then moved to TME just like Mel did.
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I agree with our suspicious mayor
 
Truenamer said:
They haven't changed? We probably do have a wolf among our low posters. I just am having a very hard time differentiating the low posters cuz I don't know any of them well in addition to the fact that they're not giving much material to work with.
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I'm just confused about how you had formed enough of a solid POE to suspect that there were low posters in it, but today basically everyone is yellow? If you were feeling yellow about everyone then too why even mention low posters?
 
cubsrule4e said:
I mean some games you have clearer reads and leads than others. I’m sorry if my efforts this far haven’t been up to snuff. But if that’s something that should get an auto wolf lean then I don’t see why multiple other people shouldn’t be included in the same boat.

No one was has been interested in violet and reads on true I feel like have gone kind of back and forth. This whole fluff thing then started and most people have weighed in and voted on it so that’s where all the focus has been, I never saw it as a huge thing to go after, and part of the voting for her is to see if I’m going to be voted for next or not, which there’s nothing I can really speak to because my position on that should be pretty obvious.
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Well I'm just curious if everyone else is neutral, or if you have village reads making your POE small, or what. I mean I get not having strong wolf reads every game, I've been there. I just don't feel like you're as engaged in trying to solve this game as you have been in other recent village!cubs outings, like I said this does not just apply to powervillage cubs from last game.
 
kdswg said:
I'm just confused about how you had formed enough of a solid POE to suspect that there were low posters in it, but today basically everyone is yellow? If you were feeling yellow about everyone then too why even mention low posters?
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Shades of yellow is very normal? This seems to be upsetting you and I'm not sure why?
 
cubsrule4e said:
I mean some games you have clearer reads and leads than others. I’m sorry if my efforts this far haven’t been up to snuff. But if that’s something that should get an auto wolf lean then I don’t see why multiple other people shouldn’t be included in the same boat.

No one was has been interested in violet and reads on true I feel like have gone kind of back and forth. This whole fluff thing then started and most people have weighed in and voted on it so that’s where all the focus has been, I never saw it as a huge thing to go after, and part of the voting for her is to see if I’m going to be voted for next or not, which there’s nothing I can really speak to because my position on that should be pretty obvious.
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And I guess I really don't understand samac being in your second wolfiest tier when to me she's playing exactly the same way she did d1 of last game and you were quite sure of her then :shrug:
 
Truenamer said:
Shades of yellow is very normal? This seems to be upsetting you and I'm not sure why?
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because it seems like you're back tracking, and not willing to hand out actual reads
 
Truenamer said:
I agree with our suspicious mayor
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I’ve also been super wrong about her in all the other games I’ve played. I was a wolf’s sidecar and still didn’t see her as cult. And in BoWWling up to the point she shot a wolf i wolf read her. So she’s not a priority for me, but I would like her to address her voting on D1.
 
cubsrule4e said:
I mean some games you have clearer reads and leads than others. I’m sorry if my efforts this far haven’t been up to snuff. But if that’s something that should get an auto wolf lean then I don’t see why multiple other people shouldn’t be included in the same boat.

No one was has been interested in violet and reads on true I feel like have gone kind of back and forth. This whole fluff thing then started and most people have weighed in and voted on it so that’s where all the focus has been, I never saw it as a huge thing to go after, and part of the voting for her is to see if I’m going to be voted for next or not, which there’s nothing I can really speak to because my position on that should be pretty obvious.
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i dont think i agree with this. i have in my notes that dubz had two comments about seeing your logic with the suspicion on violet. and i know I've brought up why i disagree. i asked you earlier and didnt get a response- no worries if you didnt see it but ill ask again- if you really think we are misunderstanding your comments on fluff and you're not actually defending her, how are you reading fluff right now?
 
justafluff said:
I’ve also been super wrong about her in all the other games I’ve played. I was a wolf’s sidecar and still didn’t see her as cult. And in BoWWling up to the point she shot a wolf i wolf read her. So she’s not a priority for me, but I would like her to address her voting on D1.
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i sincerely understand the feeling of not wanting to be wrong about someone and being hedgey because of it. but i really think if you want us to hear you out today, it doesn't really make you sound convincing when you're wishy-washy and immediately backtrack when true agrees with your statement.
 
WildZoo said:
Well I'm just curious if everyone else is neutral, or if you have village reads making your POE small, or what. I mean I get not having strong wolf reads every game, I've been there. I just don't feel like you're as engaged in trying to solve this game as you have been in other recent village!cubs outings, like I said this does not just apply to powervillage cubs from last game.
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Well sure I have village reads, you made it seem like you were just concerned with the wolf reads aspect. You, AM, barks probably most village. Samac was up there but slipped down a bit, maybe I’m letting her tunnel affect my read more than it should, but it is what it is at the moment. Kds feeling much more active and free flowing on thread than last game, feels ok there too. Genny and Bob probably in the neutrals still. As far as the fluff thing goes, I found the interaction with barks to feel v/v, and my defense of her being a noob was just an opinion. So it’s probably a village lean there but I’ve never said I’m outright solid village reading her. But certainly people I’d like to vote before her. Bread I really don’t have anything on and never seem to.
 
WildZoo said:
And I guess I really don't understand samac being in your second wolfiest tier when to me she's playing exactly the same way she did d1 of last game and you were quite sure of her then :shrug:
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Someone else mentioned she’s got a more aggressive tone, but I think that’s just part of going after fluff as hard as she is. If y’all are right then sorry, I was wrong. Obviously that confirms village samac for me. Like I just said maybe I’m tunneling on her tunnel because I’m looking for things to wolf read but I’m not finding a ton to go on so Yhings that normally wouldn’t stand out as much are bothering me more than they should.
 
Dana_May_B said:
i sincerely understand the feeling of not wanting to be wrong about someone and being hedgey because of it. but i really think if you want us to hear you out today, it doesn't really make you sound convincing when you're wishy-washy and immediately backtrack when true agrees with your statement.
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I’m trying to be objective. I also don’t want to fight with her. I’m tired of fighting.
 
cubsrule4e said:
Well sure I have village reads, you made it seem like you were just concerned with the wolf reads aspect. You, AM, barks probably most village. Samac was up there but slipped down a bit, maybe I’m letting her tunnel affect my read more than it should, but it is what it is at the moment. Kds feeling much more active and free flowing on thread than last game, feels ok there too. Genny and Bob probably in the neutrals still. As far as the fluff thing goes, I found the interaction with barks to feel v/v, and my defense of her being a noob was just an opinion. So it’s probably a village lean there but I’ve never said I’m outright solid village reading her. But certainly people I’d like to vote before her. Bread I really don’t have anything on and never seem to.
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No that's fair I did ask specifically about your POE, asking about the rest was a follow-up because I didn't feel like I got all the info I needed just from that POE
 
SportPonies said:
Because I said he sounded like village Zenge 30 pages ago
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Yes well you haven't incorrectly called him village d1 and then died and had people quote your reads list over and over for the rest of the game so EXCUSE ME for not wanting to be too hasty
 
WildZoo said:
Yes well you haven't incorrectly called him village d1 and then died and had people quote your reads list over and over for the rest of the game so EXCUSE ME for not wanting to be too hasty
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No need to get snarky.

It’s just equally annoying to feel confident on a read and have people grill you for it and then turn around and change their mind.
 
SportPonies said:
No need to get snarky.

It’s just equally annoying to feel confident on a read and have people grill you for it and then turn around and change their mind.
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I wasn't really being snarky
I also don't think I grilled you for it?
 
SportPonies said:
The whole you-samac thing about Zenge last night wore on me very much.

Maybe I read things more critically than they were intended because work was so long, but my tolerance is low.
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I'm not sure what you're referring to. I never fully wolf read him or anything, I was just annoyed that he didn't say anything to me when he apparently thought my reasoning for barks was off, but instead waited until later when you said something about it and it was after barks had revealed and too late for me to think outside of the echo chamber of my own head. Samac has been ok with him since his back and forth with Dana as far as I'm aware.

Like I don't understand why you would expect me to just be like "oh sporty says Zenge is village, must be true" and never question him on anything?
 
WildZoo said:
I'm not sure what you're referring to. I never fully wolf read him or anything, I was just annoyed that he didn't say anything to me when he apparently thought my reasoning for barks was off, but instead waited until later when you said something about it and it was after barks had revealed and too late for me to think outside of the echo chamber of my own head. Samac has been ok with him since his back and forth with Dana as far as I'm aware.

Like I don't understand why you would expect me to just be like "oh sporty says Zenge is village, must be true" and never question him on anything?
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No, I don’t think you should just sheep my reads. Im talking about being questioned for my Zenge read as though I’m crazy.
 
Truenamer said:
Yay, now please don't be a wolf because it'll make me look really sketchy 😂
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WildZoo said:
Oh hey same :highfive:
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:thinking:

cubsrule4e said:
Well I also came in hot from moment 0 last game. This game I didnt have the luxury of even responding til over half the people had checked in. Certainly a different feel than seeing 64 Cubs posts when you come onto the thread. So I wouldnt even disagree its a different feel if youre comparing the 2 straight up. But as far as having not made any reads or pushes thats not exactly true.
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Hmmm. I think I like this post, but not enough to give a village read yet
 
WildZoo said:
I'm not sure what you're referring to. I never fully wolf read him or anything, I was just annoyed that he didn't say anything to me when he apparently thought my reasoning for barks was off
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I didn't want to say something that would get you to back off, when it wasn't a reason to village read Barks. I wasn't sure on Barks, and seeing how she handheld the pressure was a much better decision than trying to tell you you were wrong when I wasn't even sure you were. I just disagreed about how I interpreted one comment.
 
We Are Groot Day 2 Vote Tally

fluff (8) - samac, Zenge, SAR, dana, true, psv, barks, AM
cubs (3) - cubs, dubz, genny

11/17

@justafluff you are leading!!

Missing: @justafluff @SportPonies @The_Breadmann @violetvett @kdswg @BobLoblaw78

Vote closes at 10pm ET/9pm CT/7pm Fantasyland on Thursday, 2/17/22 (~7.75 hours)

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SportPonies said:
No, I don’t think you should just sheep my reads. Im talking about being questioned for my Zenge read as though I’m crazy.
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I just wondered how you arrived to the village!zenge conclusion so early when others of us were hesitant. Like maybe a wolf throwing out a village read a bit early against the actual nature of the thread.
 
Truenamer said:
I suppose because we're getting actually close I'm going to go ahead and

Unyeet samac
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Something here feels…. Like trying too hard.

Dana_May_B said:

like i said before- there was just one vote so maybe even "pile-on" is the wrong term- but i definitely agree with zenge that the thread momentum was going towards seeing fluff as sketchy
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Animal Midwife said:
Did anyone specifically stick out as sketchy that was contributing to the conversation?
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Dana_May_B said:
my initial impression is that samac wasn't sketchy even tho she was driving the convo- i think she didn't like fluff's comment and was sticking with her initial read while pushing back on fluff's defenses. however, the comments from barks and TME felt weird because they shared they were thinking about fluff being maybe sketchy without adding really any of their own reasoning
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Noting this interaction
 
samac said:
I just wondered how you arrived to the village!zenge conclusion so early when others of us were hesitant. Like maybe a wolf throwing out a village read a bit early against the actual nature of the thread.
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Yes and that’s what annoys me about the push. I am historically a very good read of Zenge and I can’t really help the fact that you weren’t there.
 
SARdoghandler said:
13 pages in and I'm reminded of how bad I am at this game. I even pulled out my computer since I'm home with half my face still frozen but it hasn't provided me further clarity. Biggest pings would be for True and Barks atm, largely for reasons that have already been discussed to death.

Yeet Barks

To have something out there while I try to put my brain on and actually think about things. Wish me luck in not drooling out the side of my mouth, y'all
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Why Barks? Do you think her role reveal D1 was fake?
 
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