Match clarification

[H0mersimps0n]

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I'll keep it short and sweet.

I am a DO MS-III.

Looking to do Radiology.

Would like to do AOA internship.

If I apply for PGY-1 AOA internship and allopathic PGY-2 rads position and match the AOA spot I automatically get yanked from my allopathic rads match right?

I just want to make sure I understand this right- In order for me to do an AOA internship I'll have to only select places that have an AOA PGY-1 year LINKED to an Allopathic PGY-2 rads program correct? If I match AOA internship separately I essentially screw myself out of my PGY-2 applications.

Anyone have link to website with more rules and regulations on this BS?

Thanks

HJS

 

[Taus]

As long as your allo rads position starts at PGY-2 then you are fine....you can apply to both matches in the same year without getting pulled out of anything as long as one match is used for an internship and one for the residency.

 

[flux=rad]

As long as your allo rads position starts at PGY-2 then you are fine....you can apply to both matches in the same year without getting pulled out of anything as long as one match is used for an internship and one for the residency.

Taus has it. The only time you would run into trouble is with categorical radiology positions, which have an attached internship. You can't really apply to these because you would already have a PGY-1 committment if you match an AOA internship. As long as you apply to only advanced programs, which begin at PGY-2, there's no problem.

 

[H0mersimps0n]

I've heard from at least 3-4 people that have said just the opposite.

Is there a link or somewhere I can go to read about the exact rules? I haven't been able to find anything.

If you two are right this is excellent news for me because of the places I want to apply etc.

Thanks for the replies

 

[bobo]

I can tell you I know several people in my class that did an osteopathic intern year and then started allopathic residencies at the pgy-2 level. It's pretty common. Another resident in my class also did this.

Good luck w/rads. One person in my class out of 250+ matched (don't know how many tried) and he had astronomical Step I scores.

 

[macman]

I'll keep it short and sweet.

I am a DO MS-III.

Looking to do Radiology.

Would like to do AOA internship.

If I apply for PGY-1 AOA internship and allopathic PGY-2 rads position and match the AOA spot I automatically get yanked from my allopathic rads match right?

I just want to make sure I understand this right- In order for me to do an AOA internship I'll have to only select places that have an AOA PGY-1 year LINKED to an Allopathic PGY-2 rads program correct? If I match AOA internship separately I essentially screw myself out of my PGY-2 applications.

Anyone have link to website with more rules and regulations on this BS?

Thanks

HJS

You can play this one a number of ways:

1) do a AOA internship and start rads as a PGY-2 and apply to programs that only start res's as PGY-2's (which may limit your choices)

2) ignore the AOA match, apply to both ACGME internships/prelim/transitional and rads programs that start as PGY-1's (where the internship is a package deal). If you end up matching PGY-2 rads you could always scramble into a AOA internship (there are always lots of spots-though not necess. the best places)

One Caveat: some AOA internships are linked with a FP/IM program and COULD end up bumping you out of the NRMP match. This is common with AOA FP residencies. Check with the programs.

Question: what is your reason for doing the AOA internship?

 

[flux=rad]

Is there a link or somewhere I can go to read about the exact rules? I haven't been able to find anything.

The specific rules are essentially whatever a specialty's certification board requires you to do before they'll certify you. For radiology you can look at the requirements on the ABR's site and see that they mention AOA approved programs for first year:
http://www.theabr.org/DR_Pri_Req.htm

As far as the specific match rules, I'm not quite sure where you would look. You don't get pulled out of the NRMP match for advanced positions if you match to an AOA internship. It's a common path to take.

 

[H0mersimps0n]

to respond:

-I'm looking to do an AOA internship as to not be dogged the rest of my life by having to avoid job opportunities in the magic 5 states (PA and FL most importantly). It's infurating but I'd rather not retrospectively kick myself in the ass. AND applying for the AOA "exception" status or whatever really isn't an option because most of the PGY-2 allo rads programs I want to go to are painfully close to AOA internships and would make for a less than convincing "I need to be near my family and there are no AOA internship around" argument.

-Well, I've had people insistant on both sides of the argument, it's good to hear so many people saying that I can match an AOA internship and not be yanked from NMRP match for my PGY-2 position. I'll sleep better if I or someone can find the fine print.

Thanks for the responses, I appreciate it.

 

[macman]

Who told you that you could not do a AOA internship and still do the NRMP for PGY-2 spots? Are they med students or residents? I know many many people who have done this.

to respond:

-I'm looking to do an AOA internship as to not be dogged the rest of my life by having to avoid job opportunities in the magic 5 states (PA and FL most importantly). It's infurating but I'd rather not retrospectively kick myself in the ass. AND applying for the AOA "exception" status or whatever really isn't an option because most of the PGY-2 allo rads programs I want to go to are painfully close to AOA internships and would make for a less than convincing "I need to be near my family and there are no AOA internship around" argument.

-Well, I've had people insistant on both sides of the argument, it's good to hear so many people saying that I can match an AOA internship and not be yanked from NMRP match for my PGY-2 position. I'll sleep better if I or someone can find the fine print.

Thanks for the responses, I appreciate it.

 

[TCOM-2006]

a detailed look through the following sites should answer most questions:
http://www.nrmp.org/
http://www.do-online.osteotech.org/index.cfm?PageID=sir_matchprotocol

also, since we're on the topic of the 'magic 5' states issue, here's a post to check out
http://www.do-online.osteotech.org/blog/index.php?itemid=1648#comments

this has to change - DOs in the magic 5 really need to start applying pressure to their board

 

[Future DOctor]

Another question..

If you wanted to do a Surgical Subspecialty (where the internship was linked) and there was a rotating internship at that same hospital, is it possible to get the PGYI year approved for the linked internship? I know there was something on do-online that said if there wasn't a comprable internship around, that a LCME could be approved, but does that mean there can't be any internships in the vicinity or just the linked one?

 

[flux=rad]

From: http://www.do-online.osteotech.org/index.cfm?PageID=sir_matchprotocol

Withdrawing Matched Students from the NRMP

Students who are matched through the AOA Intern/Resident Registration Program and who also have registered to participate in the NRMP Main Match in the same year will have their AOA Match status communicated to the NRMP. The NRMP will automatically withdraw these matched students from that year's NRMP Main Match for concurrent programs. Specifically, a student who is matched in the 2006 AOA Intern/Resident Registration Program to an internship-only program (OGME-1 only) will not be permitted to participate in the 2006 NRMP Main Match for a PGY-1 position. Also, a student who is matched in the 2006 AOA Intern/Resident Registration Program to a combined internship/residency program (OGME-1 and OGME-2) will not be permitted to participate in the 2006 NRMP Main Match for a PGY-1 or PGY-2 position.

As stated earlier, no mention of being pulled from PGY-2 when matching for an internship only, as it's not a concurrent position.

 

[Sugar72]

Another question..

If you wanted to do a Surgical Subspecialty (where the internship was linked) and there was a rotating internship at that same hospital, is it possible to get the PGYI year approved for the linked internship? I know there was something on do-online that said if there wasn't a comprable internship around, that a LCME could be approved, but does that mean there can't be any internships in the vicinity or just the linked one?

In addition to there not being any AOA internships in the area you are required to live - you also have to complete required rotations that are listed in the AOA resolution - I think it is resolution 19 - but I am not sure. SInce I am doing a surgical internship - I know that the rotations don't fit the requirements.
Additionally, even if there is an AOA approved rotating internship at a facility and you match into its allopathic counterpart and it is the exact same rotations - the AOA will not approve it. It is crazy but true. Initially I thought I would try to get the seal of the almighty AOA on my internship - but I am just resentful these days - screw those 5 states...there are 45 other ones right?

PS

Lots and lots of people just apply for pgy2 positions through the allopathic match and do the pgy1 AOA match (and i use this term match lightly in conjunction with AOA). If you are trying to go into a really competitive field like radiology it will limit the number of programs you can apply to though. If you really want to do an AOA internship you might want to apply broadly to all allopathic programs categorical (pgy1-pgy4) and advanced (pgy2-pgy4) and then rank advanced programs higher and after you match into your advanced program, you can find an open osteopathic internship. Believe me, there are still a lot of them with open positions. Assuming of course that you don't want to do an AOA radiology residency.