MATCH QUESTION

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" the enemy of a good plan is a perfect one"

we don't change things for the hell of it, especially important things. unless there was a likely substantial benefit to be gained from changing the system, such a change wouldn't occur.
Does that mean we can't even talk about a hypothetical change? Important things are exactly the things we need to constantly be thinking about improving, you know, because they're important.

The mentality of waiting until things hit the ****ter to even think about improving them is a pretty dangerous one and the same reason why we still use a 1990s technology website to apply to residency.
 
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we can talk about it of course but seeing as the current iteration was such a massive improvement over the past one, it seems likely that a change wont occur for some time
 
we can talk about it of course but seeing as the current iteration was such a massive improvement over the past one, it seems likely that a change wont occur for some time
I agree, it probably won't happen for some time.
 
That might have been how it used to be, but I'm sure they would have realized over time that was just as bad a strategy as the car dealer who says the sale price expires if you don't buy today, and lo and behold it's still the same price next month...

Buying a car and applying for a job are pretty much not the same thing at all. The old residency process was actually very similar to applying to other jobs. If you get a job offer, you don't get to just sit on it for months and hope one of the other places you applied to offers you an interview before you have to choose.

Applying to medical school (or college) is not at all like applying for jobs in the real world.
 
I think Chip is asking some reasonable questions.

First, ERAS. I certainly agree that one of the best ways to drive innovation in the technology sector is through competition, and another application service would most likely do that. However, there are some downsides. First, either you'd need to convince programs to use two+ different application systems, and all the pain that causes, or applicants would be forced to use both systems to apply to various programs -- that would be twice as much work for applicants, and perhaps end up being more expensive. If a new service were not to charge applicants, they would need to get funding from somewhere. Would you be willing to have all of your private, vital information owned by a drug company. or a marketing firm, for free applications? Everything we use costs something, somewhere -- sometimes you just don't see how you pay for it. Overall, I do think that a competitor would be nice and would help drive competition, and I think the same service could be delivered for a much reduced price. And if I were to set this up, I would have some money flow to programs per application. In fact, I've got some coding skills, and I can see how this could be done. If you've got no plans after medical school....

Second, the match. This is a more complicated situation. As mentioned above, imagine getting an acceptance to medical school early that states that they have offered more positions than they have in their class, and that there is a $10,000 non-refundable deposit to secure a seat, and when all seats are full all remaining offers are void. For good, competitive residency programs this is exactly the type of scenario that will/has developed (not with a deposit, but with early contract offers that are short lived, and the contract may have a financial penalty if you try to cancel it). The reason this all happens (and the reason residency is different from a regular job) has to do with the following:

1. Residency currently runs on a Jul 1 - Jun 30 schedule. All of the spots open up at exactly the same time, rather than being spread through the year
2. Residency programs are highly regulated as to how many spots they have. If I'm approved for 10 spots per year, I can't have 11 people. So I can't "overbook" like airlines do.

The residency schedule is simply a result of med schools graduating in May/June. It would be possible for residency programs to change, so that they have new interns starting 2-3 times per year. This makes some things more complicated, as residency is an educational process in addition to a job -- so it's easier for me to deliver a standardized curriculum if everyone is in sync with each other. But it could be done, and would decrease the need for a match. The training slot issue isn't easy to address, but one could argue that the ACGME could be forced to stop assigning a specific number of slots to programs, and simply assess the quality of training -- if a program takes too many residents then the quality would drop and the ACGME would intervene.

All of these changes have downstream effects that are good and bad. Having 2-3 start dates through the year generates more flexibility for applicants, and generates a more diverse workforce for programs (i.e. not every intern is new the same day). On the other hand, it's possible med school grads could get an offer to start at one program now, and a better program in 6 months (and you would presumably need to pay your loans during those 6 months). Loosening rules so that programs can expand at will could create a problem with poor programs expanding like crazy, and then when they get into trouble residents might be tossed out and screwed. Whether this is good/fair is all in the eye of the beholder.

And I think that's the bottom line -- if you change the rules of how people obtain residencies, you will create winners and losers. Some people will do better, and some will do worse in the new system. A free market system might help people who are very focused on a specific location. A free market system might drive up salaries as residents would be able to play offers off one another. On the other hand, I could imagine offering one spot to three people and having them bid on how low their salary would be. Measuring the "goodness" of the system is very complicated. You could average each applicant and program's happiness. You could look at the % very happy and/or %very unhappy.

TL;DR version: Competition for ERAS as an application service would be a good thing. Given the current structure of residency training, the match is the best option. A non-match solution would require many other changes.
 
I think Chip is asking some reasonable questions.

First, ERAS. I certainly agree that one of the best ways to drive innovation in the technology sector is through competition, and another application service would most likely do that. However, there are some downsides. First, either you'd need to convince programs to use two+ different application systems, and all the pain that causes, or applicants would be forced to use both systems to apply to various programs -- that would be twice as much work for applicants, and perhaps end up being more expensive. If a new service were not to charge applicants, they would need to get funding from somewhere. Would you be willing to have all of your private, vital information owned by a drug company. or a marketing firm, for free applications? Everything we use costs something, somewhere -- sometimes you just don't see how you pay for it. Overall, I do think that a competitor would be nice and would help drive competition, and I think the same service could be delivered for a much reduced price. And if I were to set this up, I would have some money flow to programs per application. In fact, I've got some coding skills, and I can see how this could be done. If you've got no plans after medical school....

Second, the match. This is a more complicated situation. As mentioned above, imagine getting an acceptance to medical school early that states that they have offered more positions than they have in their class, and that there is a $10,000 non-refundable deposit to secure a seat, and when all seats are full all remaining offers are void. For good, competitive residency programs this is exactly the type of scenario that will/has developed (not with a deposit, but with early contract offers that are short lived, and the contract may have a financial penalty if you try to cancel it). The reason this all happens (and the reason residency is different from a regular job) has to do with the following:

1. Residency currently runs on a Jul 1 - Jun 30 schedule. All of the spots open up at exactly the same time, rather than being spread through the year
2. Residency programs are highly regulated as to how many spots they have. If I'm approved for 10 spots per year, I can't have 11 people. So I can't "overbook" like airlines do.

The residency schedule is simply a result of med schools graduating in May/June. It would be possible for residency programs to change, so that they have new interns starting 2-3 times per year. This makes some things more complicated, as residency is an educational process in addition to a job -- so it's easier for me to deliver a standardized curriculum if everyone is in sync with each other. But it could be done, and would decrease the need for a match. The training slot issue isn't easy to address, but one could argue that the ACGME could be forced to stop assigning a specific number of slots to programs, and simply assess the quality of training -- if a program takes too many residents then the quality would drop and the ACGME would intervene.

All of these changes have downstream effects that are good and bad. Having 2-3 start dates through the year generates more flexibility for applicants, and generates a more diverse workforce for programs (i.e. not every intern is new the same day). On the other hand, it's possible med school grads could get an offer to start at one program now, and a better program in 6 months (and you would presumably need to pay your loans during those 6 months). Loosening rules so that programs can expand at will could create a problem with poor programs expanding like crazy, and then when they get into trouble residents might be tossed out and screwed. Whether this is good/fair is all in the eye of the beholder.

And I think that's the bottom line -- if you change the rules of how people obtain residencies, you will create winners and losers. Some people will do better, and some will do worse in the new system. A free market system might help people who are very focused on a specific location. A free market system might drive up salaries as residents would be able to play offers off one another. On the other hand, I could imagine offering one spot to three people and having them bid on how low their salary would be. Measuring the "goodness" of the system is very complicated. You could average each applicant and program's happiness. You could look at the % very happy and/or %very unhappy.

TL;DR version: Competition for ERAS as an application service would be a good thing. Given the current structure of residency training, the match is the best option. A non-match solution would require many other changes.

Very well stated. Thank you for this.
 
TL;DR version: Competition for ERAS as an application service would be a good thing. Given the current structure of residency training, the match is the best option. A non-match solution would require many other changes.

Agreed. I predict ERAS will have a competitor within a decade. I also predict the NRMP will be around for a while. They have a Congressional exemption to antitrust laws after all. I wonder who will come up with the new application service...
 
hi tpn 89,
I saw your post as I was looking for experiences in which people were struggling with clerkships. I am a med student in the US and was doing fine during the preclinical years. But as soon as wards started, I have been having major difficulties. It's mostly the presenting to residents/attendings and having to juggle lots of different information in a short amount of time that gives me a lot of trouble. I tend to be spacey and talk slowly. I also get really nervous when having to talk in front of people. Your post about how you can't seem to keep every little detail about patients straight in your head really resonated with me. I was just wondering if you had a solution to this. Did you school advisor help you? Did things get better as 4th year went on? Did you end up matching into a residency program you are happy with? I don't think these problems that I or you have experienced can be explained by lack of intelligence or effort. I just feel like medicine is really rigid and requires a very specific personality. I'm restarting clerkships next week after returning from a leave of absence and feeling really nervous about the whole ordeal. I would love to hear how you progressed through medical school and whether you eventually found a career path you were happy with.
 
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