Match result question

[CODDS]

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Hi, I'm new to the forum. I've been in private practice Dentistry for 8 years and have just sold my practice for a relocation. I am considering a possible OMFS residency or perhaps a GPR before we decide on a relocation site. Of course, I did not PASS or MATCh, and I am suprised that MATCH will not provide non-applicants with program information about who did not fill their MATCH positions. Hoping that someone can tell me a simple way to find out this information through another source.

Thank You-

 

[Stroszeck]

Why would you do a GPR when you've been in practice for nearly a decade?

 

[CODDS]

That's a great question. Private practice was really good to me and I've also taken some great CE over those 8 years (and some not-so-great CE as well). However, If I return to practice as a GP I would like to offer a few skill sets that I feel are not offered well on the CE course circuit- primarily hospital based care, advanced exodontia, impacted 3rd molar exodontia, advanced grafting, and IV sedation.

I'm aware that all of these topics can be addressed on the CE market, but from my experience (esp IV Sedation) the ability for CE to address the actual competencies required to offer these services to the public is limited. I would like multiple supervised case experiences in these areas (esp IV Sedation)

I am also interested in investigating academics and feel a GPR with a teaching component could be a valuable tool for determining my long term satisfaction in academics

 

[gryffindor]

That's a great question. Private practice was really good to me and I've also taken some great CE over those 8 years (and some not-so-great CE as well). However, If I return to practice as a GP I would like to offer a few skill sets that I feel are not offered well on the CE course circuit- primarily hospital based care, advanced exodontia, impacted 3rd molar exodontia, advanced grafting, and IV sedation.

You might be better off looking for an OMS intern year instead of a GPR if you want to do these things you mentioned above. Since match just happened, I'm sure lots of programs are interviewing for their interns right now. You might want to get your resume together ASAP and start calling around for positions. I believe there are some current threads about this topic in this forum.

 

[CODDS]

Do OMS intern positions offer sedation training? Hospital dentistry? Where can I find a list of Intern Programs?

Anyone able to provide information on the original question? Is the only way to know the post-match info to call/e-mail the programs?
Thanks

 

[armorshell]

Do OMS intern positions offer sedation training? Hospital dentistry? Where can I find a list of Intern Programs?

Anyone able to provide information on the original question? Is the only way to know the post-match info to call/e-mail the programs?
Thanks

Some offer sedation training, not much in the way of hospital dentistry though.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=690336

We need to beseach someone to post the GPR/AEGD post match. Though, it sounds like you may want to do a little more research on exactly what you're looking for and where to find it.

 

[gryffindor]

Do OMS intern positions offer sedation training? Hospital dentistry? Where can I find a list of Intern Programs?

Anyone able to provide information on the original question? Is the only way to know the post-match info to call/e-mail the programs?
Thanks

Maybe you could try to get in touch with the Dean's office at your dental school and see if they could get you the unmatched list.

 

[drgoro]

It always rubs me the wrong way when I hear general dentist and IV sedation...maybe because I've witnessed 'simple' sedations gone wrong. God knows, we don't need more scrutiny on 'dentists' and anesthesia related complications.

 

[CODDS]

DrGoro,
I appreciate your sentiment on IV sedation and GP's. That same sentiment is why I (if possible) will decline the available opportunities on the Non-Hospital CE market which would validate most states IV Sedation requirement, and choose instead to spend 1+ year of my income producing life to learn proper technique, safety, and case experience in a proper training environment such as a GPR. I believe a properly trained GP (trained in an academic setting) offering IV sedation is as safe a choice for sedation as an OMFS. I do not feel the same way about those performing IV and Oral sedation following CE courses of various lengths.

- On topic, I will try to contact my Dental School, but it would be nice is someone would post as well.

 

[HupHolland]

DrGoro,
I appreciate your sentiment on IV sedation and GP's. That same sentiment is why I (if possible) will decline the available opportunities on the Non-Hospital CE market which would validate most states IV Sedation requirement, and choose instead to spend 1+ year of my income producing life to learn proper technique, safety, and case experience in a proper training environment such as a GPR. I believe a properly trained GP (trained in an academic setting) offering IV sedation is as safe a choice for sedation as an OMFS. I do not feel the same way about those performing IV and Oral sedation following CE courses of various lengths.

- On topic, I will try to contact my Dental School, but it would be nice is someone would post as well.

The list of unmatched GPR programs were posted on the forum Monday. Shouldn't be too hard to find. However, most of these programs have already been bombarded by applicants that went through the MATCH process and did not match, so who knows how much attention your application will get. Worth a try, though..

 

[CODDS]

I did not find GPR Unmatched postings posted on Monday, just a thread on OMFS positions.

 

[servitup]

DrGoro,
I believe a properly trained GP (trained in an academic setting) offering IV sedation is as safe a choice for sedation as an OMFS.

Not even close. OMFS residents do minimum of 4 months of dedicated anesthesia training in the OR plus years of outpatient sedations all during residency. I don't have a problem with GP's learning to give a little versed and fentanyl but no chance they are as well trained as OMFS in the nuances of anesthesia, especially airway management and emergencies.

That said, I think the GPR at MCG in Augusta does a lot of IV sedation.

 

[CODDS]

Not even close. OMFS residents do minimum of 4 months of dedicated anesthesia training in the OR plus years of outpatient sedations all during residency.

I'm not suggesting that GPR dentist perform deep sedation or general anesthesia, just IV and ORAL conscious sedation. And for this service, I believe there is no difference between the proficiency level of both practitioners OMFS and GPR. It would be like saying you need to attend an OMFS residency to be proficient at common surgical and non-surgical extractions of erupted teeth or placement of dental implants. This is just not the case for attending an OMFS residency. I realize that these points could go round-round for quite a lengthy post, I’d really just like to get the facts on unmatched GPRs. Thanks for the mention about MCG.

 

[drgoro]

Thre is a difference in proficiency, but b/c you know no better you wouldn't see it. And your post has another glaring error in your thinking, combo PO and IV can be some of the most unpredictable types of sedation being more difficult to titrate under certain circumstances. But anyone with any experience would have known that...

If anesthesia is a real interest, my suggestion is to do it properly and try and MATCH dental anesthesia next cycle. Its not just pushing meds, its knowing how to assess the medical history and perioperative findings in a pt.

 

[CODDS]

IMHO there are many excellent GPR programs that differ with the above perspective. I'll stick with the stats of those programs & my knowledge about safe practices in dentistry. Back to the original question with respect to Match results.

 

[HupHolland]

I did not find GPR Unmatched postings posted on Monday, just a thread on OMFS positions.

Ok, fine. Just a few threads below yours...

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=792597

 

[CODDS]

I don't know how I missed it, thank you very much!

Can anyone comment on UNC Chapel Hill GPR program?
Thanks

 

[servitup]

And for this service, I believe there is no difference between the proficiency level of both practitioners OMFS and GPR.

I humbly disagree. True proficiency includes managing complications. GPR won't teach you much about that. I definitely think with proper patient selection, sedation dentistry is a great service to learn and is extremely safe and predictable. I think you should definitely find a program to learn it, whether it be CE or a GPR or even dental anesthesia.

I disagree with the notion that any GPR trained GP is as proficient with any type of anesthesia as a board eligible OMFS. Just because they are less proficient doesn't mean they shouldn't do it though.

 

[CODDS]

Any opinions of UCSF or UNC GPRs?

 

[CODDS]

Bump, anyone have pros/cons on UNC or UCSF GPR's

 

[MrPolarZero]

I think UNCSF's GPR is ok. I had some friends go into this one, and they all said that it is really good, though there might be a few things that you need to work out.