Matched Advanced PMR, No Prelim!

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Sig123

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Hey all,

Found out that I matched into an advanced position in rehab, but unfortunately no prelim spot.

Any advice on securing a prelim spot for the scramble? I'm worried that I won't get a prelim or transition year! Not sure what would happen if that were the case.

Any help would be appreciated!
 
Don't panic.

Prelim spots are a dime a dozen. First start at your med school, and surrounding areas. If you can't latch on, contact the PM&R program for assistance in getting a prelim program. You will be fine!
 
Hey all,

Found out that I matched into an advanced position in rehab, but unfortunately no prelim spot.

Any advice on securing a prelim spot for the scramble? I'm worried that I won't get a prelim or transition year! Not sure what would happen if that were the case.

Any help would be appreciated!

While it is easier procuring a prelim spot c/w an advanced or categorical spot, the scramble in general has become more brutal with each passing year.

First, you should have already met with your dean and come up with a strategy for tomorrow. Agree w/ using your home program and your advanced program for assistance. You/your dean can contact NRMP to find out what geographic area you matched.

Tomorrow you’ll get the list of unfilled programs. You’ll quickly have to fine tune your strategy based on what’s available. In general, it’s easier to land a prelim surgery > medicine > transitional. At noon – start dialing. Have a friend help out and call other programs. If you get through (big if), be poised and calm. The PD on the other end knows full well how stressful this all is. They should have all of your info through ERAS, but if they request and updated transcript or CV have one available to fax or email. Above all, don’t lose hope.

If you don’t complete a prelim year before you’re scheduled to start your PGY-2, you’ll have to give up your advanced spot.

This thread is quite helpful, especially the first post:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=346520


Good luck.
 
I have the same issue as sig123. I did not do many prelim spots as I wanted to try to stay close to my home school for my first year and it didn't work out. However, my program offers family medicine first year positions for the positions that did not match for categorical... Would a prelim year in family medicine count for PM&R residency? Would there be any issues with this? Thanks!
 
I have the same issue as sig123. I did not do many prelim spots as I wanted to try to stay close to my home school for my first year and it didn't work out. However, my program offers family medicine first year positions for the positions that did not match for categorical... Would a prelim year in family medicine count for PM&R residency? Would there be any issues with this? Thanks!

Yes, a year in FM would satisfy the first year requirement for PM&R. Shouldn't be any issues.
 
For those interested, available # of spots nationwide for the scramble:

Prelim med: 105

Prelim Surgery: 461

Transitional Year: 35

PM&R (PGY-1): 7

PM&R (PGY-2): 9


Don't know where these are yet.
 
Just curious, but do you know how many total spots, categorical and advanced, there were for PM&R this year?
 
^ Not sure on the exact #, what with the closing of a couple of programs recently. We can get access to that info tomorrow. But last year there were 370 spots total (82 categorical, 288 advanced), with 13 spots unmatched pre-scramble.
 
Thanks for all your input guys!

Crossing my fingers for tomorrow!

Take care.
 
I was in the same boat 3 years ago. I didn't take the prelims seriously, only applied to a few places, and then I didn't match.

Something happened starting with 2007 scramble that was unprecedented before. Going into that scramble in 2007, my medschool's dean told me that I had nothing to worry about and that the ball would be in my court to choose from a multitude of programs desperate to fill their spots. I started the scramble day feeling confident I would end up somewhere decent. In the beginning, I was being a little picky. We called 8-10 transitional & prelim-medicine places where I would've been happy to end up at, but none of those places would offer a spot right away, so then I decided to wait for their responses for 2-3 hours. I was reluctant to call places I was hesitant about going to, because I didn't want a situation where they offered you a spot right away and then get stuck having to accept going there.

Well, none of those 8-10 places got back to me. We called them back from time to time and, when we got through, we were told that they were still deciding. But, as we called them back for the 3rd & 4th times, they were now telling us they had filled. We then switched gears and then started calling all the transitional & prelim-med places anywhere in the country, ready to pounce at any place that would offer me a spot. By then, we were a few hours into the scramble and, unbelievably, every program was either filled or impossible to reach.

Day 2, we had no choice to focus on prelim-surgery. But even prelim-surgery spots were slim pickings. In fact, I recall that none of the places with open spots were reachable. What we found out was that the very few programs that had any documented spots left were those that appeared to purposefully leave spots open to be left up for grabs by FMG's with best possible credentials... those programs were soliciting applications from hundreds of FMG's and then would decide on the select few to invite for interviews in late-March to fill their remaining spots. I think a lot of those spots may not have been available for the match to begin with. Those programs all along probably intended to fill them outside the match.

In the end, I could not scramble in anywhere. There were like 3 other people from my school in the same boat as me. The dean said she'd never seen anything like that before. Later on, I found out it had to do with sudden increase in FMG's (many of whom have excellent credentials), although that was purely speculation.

To the OP, I really hope things worked out for you. But if not, don't lose hope. Start emailing a bunch of prelim programs and beg them to keep you in mind in case someone leaves. There's always movement, people have stuff happen in their lives and they have to give up their spots or whatever. I was eventually able to secure a prelim spot at a decent program a month later, when one of their incoming interns had to quit for family reasons.
 
Hey Pacsd

Thanks for sharing your story.

Today was an extremely stressful day. I started calling all the prelim programs and found pretty much the same experiences you described. Some took down my info, some said to apply via ERAS, and others said to fax and email them, but when I followed up, most had already filled.

I got worried, so I started calling Prelim surgery spots a few hours into the match and was shocked to hear that prelim spots for surgery were filling up fast as well!

My main goal was to preserve my advanced position -- so I called all over the place. Finally, I found a spot in prelim gen surgery today in Arizona. I was so happy that someone had finally offered me a spot -- so I took the position and signed the contract

Gen surgery is certainly not something I wanted to do for my prelim year, but i'll take it to get where I need to go!

Glad to hear all worked out for you in the end.

I hope everyone else who had to scrambled did well -- but it was certainly a rough day today.

A drink tonight may be in order!

Thanks,

Sig
 
So glad things worked out for you, sig123!

I felt compelled to post when I read about your situation, and I was wishing I'd done so one day earlier because I wanted you (and others in similar boat), going into the scramble, to know that scramble is no longer like it used to be and that you really have to just focus on finding someone to take you instead of being choosy like I was.

I'm so glad you found an internship and that, most importantly, you secured your PM&R spot. That's all that matters. Prelim year in surgery can be rough in many places, but surprisingly not so bad in others... I hope yours will be the latter. Where I did my prelim year in medicine, we consistently out-houred our surgery colleagues by about 10hours/week during our ward & unit months.
 
Thanks Ludicolo! It does feel good! I did the NRMP phone call yesterday to find out what city I matched into so I know that I matched into my #1 ranked PM&R program. Light is at the end of the tunnel! 😀

Pacsd - Glad you found and spot. Thanks for your words of encouragement! I'm hoping that my surg program isn't too rough. Its a community based program and seems to be a solid place that doesn't abuse residents -- so i'll cross my fingers and hope for the best!
 
I did the NRMP phone call yesterday to find out what city I matched into so I know that I matched into my #1 ranked PM&R program. Light is at the end of the tunnel! 😀
👍 Congrats! 👍
 
Congrats, so for PM&R unlike Neuro a surg prelim can be used for PGY-1?? Interesting...
 
Congrats, so for PM&R unlike Neuro a surg prelim can be used for PGY-1?? Interesting...

Yup. Prelim med, prelim surg, transitional year, FM, prelim peds, etc.

What’s required is 12 months of training, of which at least 6 months need to be comprised of fundamental clinical care rotations (any combination of IM, surg, peds, FM, EM, or OB/GYN), and no more than two months can be “non-patient contact” rotations (radiology, research, etc.).

In other words, we’re flexible. 😀
 
as a last resort there is always prelim surgery. Congrats!
 
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