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Zenge142 said:
Why moon?

How are you feeling about Clem?

I’m not getting the TeddyBear!Clem I’m used to seeing when he’s village.
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I think Clem could be wolf yeah . But I also see them flipping town and wouldn't be surprised.

Moon is the slot that I think they are not being fair in their read either to genny or to gikkle so thats what its in my mind rn
 
Dubz can you talk me about how you feel about Stagg?
 
Spacecamp said:
I'm reading this as scummy hedging.
(Please ignore the fact that I am not currently voting)
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Zenge142 said:
If it helps with the context I have a history of not voting early day one. Like there’s a whole lore and everything. There’s fan fiction. Memes. Merchandise. Etc.
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Also this is a reference to that:
Zenge142 said:
So you’re only giving post counts to people who exercise their vote early, eh?

Alright Then Keep Your Secrets GIF by hero0fwar
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Santygrass said:
But then you dont care about not vibing with the top 3 town reads of Gikkle and veto them for yeeting?

(Samac you didnd understood, and me+genny you sus)
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Santygrass said:
Like, to me that just read as you having to waver or at leats question either your read on us or on gikkle and I dont think you're worried about that?
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TBH, I didn't see Gikkle's read post until after I finished that, but even with those disagreements, I still think Gikkle's been towny enough today.

Santygrass said:
But I agree that the call-out in you to me felt like nothing special, but I think genny has done more villagey post that outweighs that(??
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I mean, part of it might just be that genny's aura reads are a bit too... how do I say this non-judgementally... difficult for me to understand? Maybe it's just a different type of vibe read, but I don't get it and it seems really easy to fake. And TBH I don't see any particularly villagery posts on an ISO skim, either.
 
Santygrass said:
I think Clem could be wolf yeah . But I also see them flipping town and wouldn't be surprised.

Moon is the slot that I think they are not being fair in their read either to genny or to gikkle so thats what its in my mind rn
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Do you think Moon would Bus D1?

Because I’m partly thinking of a Clem vote to help resolve moon on the assumption I wouldn’t think moon would bus Clem D1 like that.
Santygrass said:
they are not being fair in their read either to genny or to gikkle so thats what its in my mind rn
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but this fairly compelling.
 
Day 1 Yeet Tally
Zenge (2) - Achro 40, Space 33
genny () -
Dubz () -
mkg (1) - samac 61
Shinichi (1) - genny 21
Santy (1) - Stagg 13
Clem (2) - moon 31, Gikkle 38
Stagg (1) - Dubz 40
Gikkle (1) - Clem 19
moon (1) - Santy 62

10/15
yeet close in ~8 hours
 
Santygrass said:
Dubz can you talk me about how you feel about Stagg?
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I think I mentioned he seems...

Gah idk how to put it into words really so I'm gonna ramble.

It's giving me Stardew 2 vibes where he was coming across real village early on because of the effort he seemed to be putting into his post, like looking engaged, but that's now actually how he plays when he's village. That's not to say he's a lazy villager or something but that on surface level his wolf play tends to look more involved and his village play tends to look less so.

It feels like the former here.
 
Achromatic said:
Then why ask
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Again, the name is so familiar I’ve been operating under the assumption someone here was more familiar with them as a player. And I didn’t realize they only had two posts. My asking has been under these assumptions.
 
moonstermash said:
TBH, I didn't see Gikkle's read post until after I finished that, but even with those disagreements, I still think Gikkle's been towny enough today.
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My point is mostly that seeing the trifecta of one slot that you didnt understand as top town + 2 considerations of yeet as top towns from a slot that you are townreading I'd expect your view of the game to be questioned or a bit of wavering?

But only asking about samac and then have to be prodded about it makes me feel that view of reads you have may not be genuine /?
Or at least have trouble seeing how it holds up?

moonstermash said:
I mean, part of it might just be that genny's aura reads are a bit too... how do I say this non-judgementally... difficult for me to understand? Maybe it's just a different type of vibe read, but I don't get it and it seems really easy to fake. And TBH I don't see any particularly villagery posts on an ISO skim, either.
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But also I can agree with this on a soul level. genny usually is a slot that I have always have problems forming a read or seeing where they are at. This game Im quite surprised with how direct they've been with their thoughts, and Im taking it as a good thing
 
Achromatic said:
I would probably just sheep someone and see where the day takes me.

I'm more concerned with world building early rather than having multiple strong scum reads
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@samac what are your thoughts on this post?
 
Zenge142 said:
Do you think Moon would Bus D1?

Because I’m partly thinking of a Clem vote to help resolve moon on the assumption I wouldn’t think moon would bus Clem D1 like that.

but this fairly compelling.
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Dont know moon meta to anwer that, but for now to me they aren unaligned. Dont think is a hard bus and in the realms of possible distancing if a partner tbh
 
Now that I think about it I think genny has talked previously about being more srs bizness for champs practice games to emulate the champs vibes.

I could be making that up but in my head it explains her more direct approach/being easier to read this game.
 
Santygrass said:
Dont know moon meta to anwer that, but for now to me they aren unaligned. Dont think is a hard bus and in the realms of possible distancing if a partner tbh
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That’s fair.

Do you feel any different about moon after this?
moonstermash said:
TBH, I didn't see Gikkle's read post until after I finished that, but even with those disagreements, I still think Gikkle's been towny enough today.



I mean, part of it might just be that genny's aura reads are a bit too... how do I say this non-judgementally... difficult for me to understand? Maybe it's just a different type of vibe read, but I don't get it and it seems really easy to fake. And TBH I don't see any particularly villagery posts on an ISO skim, either.
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I saw your response but I’m curious if it’s impacted your read at all?
 
Achromatic said:
Questions? Concerns?
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Im not thrilled about how outside of your tunnel of me, despite people who I think are coming across as village, telling you you’re probably wrong, your response about where else you’d be voting today if not me is to just be like:
Achromatic said:
I would probably just sheep someone and see where the day takes me.
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That’s like… admitting to not having any interest in trying to solve and vote out scum.
 
Zenge142 said:
That’s fair.

Do you feel any different about moon after this?

I saw your response but I’m curious if it’s impacted your read at all?
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Not really.

Like, it didnt move the needle for me in amy direction. Its okayish .

Jury still out and not sold on any read yet
 
Zenge142 said:
Im not thrilled about how outside of your tunnel of me, despite people who I think are coming across as village, telling you you’re probably wrong, your response about where else you’d be voting today if not me is to just be like:


That’s like… admitting to not having any interest in trying to solve and vote out scum.
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That is incorrect.

What I am saying is if people I am townreading hold firm that I should be generous with my rope with you then, me not having any strong scum reads atm, would defer to my town reads and live in their world for the day and pursue their agenda to see if it benefitted the town or not. One of the lovely things about being town is I can choose to work with others and to validate them and see if they have a good idea or not. It's a secondary method of solving but it is still solving.
 
Achromatic said:
That is incorrect.

What I am saying is if people I am townreading hold firm that I should be generous with my rope with you then, me not having any strong scum reads atm, would defer to my town reads and live in their world for the day and pursue their agenda to see if it benefitted the town or not. One of the lovely things about being town is I can choose to work with others and to validate them and see if they have a good idea or not. It's a secondary method of solving but it is still solving.
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This still just feels as though you’re saying you’re doing much in the way of solving slots.

Like if you’re saying you’re going to develop village reads, and then sheep them, then by the very nature of developing those village reads you’re ultimately going to have reads that are not village reads.

So to say, outside of your tunnel of me you’re going to just pick one of your village reads and sheep them, instead of having an idea of where you want to vote for reasons based on your own reading and interpretations of the game is concerning.
 
Achromatic said:
What is the proposed scum angle for me taking this approach?
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Seriously?

You don’t see the scum angle?

Sheeping someone you’re “village reading” onto a vote you know is a villager and then getting to shield yourself from the misyeet blame by saying “I was just sheeping a village read :angelic:”

The idea that you “don’t see the scum angle there” is also concerning.
 
Zenge142 said:
Seriously?

You don’t see the scum angle?

Sheeping someone you’re “village reading” onto a vote you know is a villager and then getting to shield yourself from the misyeet blame by saying “I was just sheeping a village read :angelic:”

The idea that you “don’t see the scum angle there” is also concerning.
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Why would I say that? I made a willing decision to sheep someone. That being my decision means I have no right to shy away from accountability.

I am afraid your scum angle is beneath my scum range. If I wanted to choke the life out of a villager I knew was town I promise I would do it gleefully friend.
 
Also nothing in my posts said I didn't understand a scum angle. I wanted to know what yours was.

I feel like I had a conversation. Very similar to this in a game recently. I need to remember if it was with town or with a wolf.
 
Achro what is your take on moon and how much you agree/disagree with my assesment on their view ?
 
Moon, Clem , Stagg

Rn these are the slots I could see my vote ending up today
 
Santygrass said:
Achro what is your take on moon and how much you agree/disagree with my assesment on their view ?
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Can you quote your post for me? Not used to this forum yet

I am mildly concerned that they don't seem to care much about my existence.
 
Hmm.

Yes I think this conversation was with a town member who felt like I would try to shirk accountability with my methods. Alright I have gotten what I needed from zenge.

unvote zenge
 
Achromatic said:
Why would I say that? I made a willing decision to sheep someone. That being my decision means I have no right to shy away from accountability.

I am afraid your scum angle is beneath my scum range. If I wanted to choke the life out of a villager I knew was town I promise I would do it gleefully friend.
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This is such a non-answer.

You went from: “I can’t possibly see how this play would be beneficial for a scum”

To: 1: “This wouldn’t happen; I’d still take accountability”
And
2: “I would never do this as scum”

Which,
1. No. This is my point. You now have a valid reason to be on a bad vote without the responsibility of having your own analysis scrutinized for lack of genuineness.

And 2: I don’t think that’s something we’re just going to take at face value, nor should we.
 
Santygrass said:
My point is mostly that seeing the trifecta of one slot that you didnt understand as top town + 2 considerations of yeet as top towns from a slot that you are townreading I'd expect your view of the game to be questioned or a bit of wavering?

But only asking about samac and then have to be prodded about it makes me feel that view of reads you have may not be genuine /?
Or at least have trouble seeing how it holds up?
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Cant quote properly the string of posts, you can go a posts back when I asked them about why they only asked about samac in regards to gikkle list
 
Zenge142 said:
This is such a non-answer.

You went from: “I can’t possibly see how this play would be beneficial for a scum”

To: 1: “This wouldn’t happen; I’d still take accountability”
And
2: “I would never do this as scum”

Which,
1. No. This is my point. You now have a valid reason to be on a bad vote without the responsibility of having your own analysis scrutinized for lack of genuineness.

And 2: I don’t think that’s something we’re just going to take at face value, nor should we.
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I didn't say that.
 
Santygrass said:
Cant quote properly the string of posts, you can go a posts back when I asked them about why they only asked about samac in regards to gikkle list
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Oh right. Yeah if they are scum that's probably an oppsie from them. But also as town I can see people just picking a name to discuss
 
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