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SportPonies said:
i have real times with you a whole lot more than I’ve real timed with anyone else here. You’re just upset that I don’t care to theorize what a wolf I’ve never met would do with my slot when I wasn’t even alive.

And I already said that I can’t offer more today. I have a fully booked schedule, and I have had a fully booked schedule the last two days. I’m off tomorrow. If you want more from me, you’re gonna have to wait til then.

And like you said yourself, you’ve got three bullets so 🤷‍♀️ you have time to kill.
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So are you okay with being chopped today?
 
moonstermash said:
Why vote Shinichi?
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moonstermash said:
At a glance, I'd veto Gikkle, Stagg, and maybe Zenge. Stagg is actually my #2 townread right now, and I think we're fine to give Zenge 1 more day to see how he does.

For the rest, Shinichi seems too easy of a vote, IMO. I'd have to re-read for mkg thoughts, and I think Santy came out looking worse from that convo with Stagg.

My vote was a joke, but I'm fine staying where I am, especially with Clem's OMGUS. Otherwise, I'd probably go Santy or genny.
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moonstermash said:
IDK, Shinichi (2) vs Clem (19) feels like a big difference to me. Shinichi just feels like pure rand (75% chance to be town), and even if he does flip scum, it doesn't tell us that much vs. anyone else.
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moonstermash said:
I don't vibe with her reads or her vote on Shinichi, and her callout of me felt bad.
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I call these soft defenses. She isn't town reading shinichi but finding reasons to not vote them d1
 
SportPonies said:
i have real times with you a whole lot more than I’ve real timed with anyone else here. You’re just upset that I don’t care to theorize what a wolf I’ve never met would do with my slot when I wasn’t even alive.

And I already said that I can’t offer more today. I have a fully booked schedule, and I have had a fully booked schedule the last two days. I’m off tomorrow. If you want more from me, you’re gonna have to wait til then.

And like you said yourself, you’ve got three bullets so 🤷‍♀️ you have time to kill.
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The last person who said i was an emotion I was not was a wolf.

I am not the least bit upset.
 
If you are town it's OK. We have more game after this. Sorry your schedule didn't work out it's nbd
 
SportPonies said:
I mean, no?

But you guys seem to be expecting a fancy defense or better play from me today and I’m saying you’re not gonna get it until tomorrow.
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I just mean PSV and marmot have been sort of whatever about it. Just comparing
 
Whoa hey ok let's not drag Sporty into this or I'm gonna have to make an achro read and I don't want to
 
marmot` said:
It's exactly a thing that clem would do imo.

But also, it makes sense that dubz and the wolves were still looking for the PRs at that point, given that there were still two hidden, and clem was a viable slot to target.

So Idk, I'm just ignoring that nugget in my read of him
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In some circumstances yes but not when there's still a dangerous town PR around lol
 
Cannot believe I'm going to have to do more work after I definitely already solved the game smhsmh
 
Achromatic said:
I call these soft defenses. She isn't town reading shinichi but finding reasons to not vote them d1
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Those posts are basically exactly how I've talked about inactive town wagons to look better after the flip as a wolf in the past lol

Granted I'm not moonster, but I think these kind of posts are generally made by wolves to make themselves look  better post flip (as a sort of "I didn't dogpile on the inactive, look at me!", especially considering she attacks genny for basically that), rather than to actually defend the person (like you said, they're "soft defenses", meaning all they are doing if shinichi is a wolf is pairing themselves with shinichi while not actually defending them at all)

In fact I think this might even be TMIng shinichi as town?
 
moonstermash said:
Hmm, if not just NAI, my impression of Santy is lean scum. Please elaborate?
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moonstermash said:
IDK about Achro, but mine isn't. I just felt like it was an overly explained excuse to immediately leave the thread. His next couple posts trend a little better, though (didn't actually leave thread, mildly pushed back on a townread of him), so I'd agree null is accurate at the moment.
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moonstermash said:
Bad vibes? Why?

Also, I think votes are just bolded, like so:

Vote supershorty
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moonstermash said:
See, the problem is I hyper focus too well and don't do the forgetting bit, whoops. So, I'm trying a new approach, and if it works maybe I won't retire after champs. :shrug:
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moonstermash said:
I was hardly exaggerating; it was a lean scum on 2 posts, I'm not out here death tunneling or anything.

Comparing Santy's entrance to Zenges' (and Dubz' after), it just seemed a bit worse. Neither of them felt the need to immediately explain their (in)activity; Santy doing that at all felt overexplained, regardless of length. But I acknowledged while making the initial read that it could be NAI, so I didn't really walk anywhere to walk back from.
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moonstermash said:
Why vote Shinichi?
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moonstermash said:
Fair. Well, I'm definitely keeping my eyes on you, and I do have thoughts, but sharing them might defeat the purpose, TBH. We could circle back tomorrow?
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moonstermash said:
What made you think it was a joke? It was just a tiny ping off his entrance. I've mostly played turbos on MU for the past few months, and entrance reads are part of that.
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moonstermash said:
Well of course a scum flip is better, but since everyone else was playing more than you were, it seemed like looking for scum in you was a bit of a cop out, TBH. (Also, I don't want to run afoul of the rules, but let's just say there are other considerations.)

And the percentile was supposed to be odds any of us randed town, but I realized that's actually 80% (12/15), so whoops.
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moonstermash said:
Anyway, not that I think this is gonna help, but this is about where I'm at, not ordered in tiers:

moonster :angelic:

Gikkle
Stagg737

Achromatic
samac
Spacecamp
WildZoo
Zenge142

holdthemayo
mkg323
potentialsheltervet

ShinichiMD

Clem J
genny
Santy
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Alright I changed my mind, the poe is psv mayo's sub and achro

I lowkey think she just kinda spews Chad town, might be for kinda dumb reasons, but 🤷‍♀️
 
Gikkle said:
Those posts are basically exactly how I've talked about inactive town wagons to look better after the flip as a wolf in the past lol

Granted I'm not moonster, but I think these kind of posts are generally made by wolves to make themselves look  better post flip (as a sort of "I didn't dogpile on the inactive, look at me!", especially considering she attacks genny for basically that), rather than to actually defend the person (like you said, they're "soft defenses", meaning all they are doing if shinichi is a wolf is pairing themselves with shinichi while not actually defending them at all)

In fact I think this might even be TMIng shinichi as town?
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I'm not sure I see what you're seeing. It doesn't really look like achro is talking about his own handling of shinichi on Day 1 here
 
Although Chad never interacted with me sooooo...idk I'm gonna have to think more
 
It's known other places that shinichi is chadMD, I'm not outing him lol
 
Clem J said:
I see you trying to sneak yourself in there 😉
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Before now, I didn't think your POE had me very deeply in it, but my memory could be wrong (as has been proven time and again this game)
 
Hm

Two people I think are town are saying they think that's actually town spew. Ok I will play ball

unvote: sport
 
marmot` said:
Before now, I didn't think your POE had me very deeply in it, but my memory could be wrong (as has been proven time and again this game)
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It's had you as evenly in it as psv and achro lol
 
Nanook who do you want dead today. If it's sport I am officially blaming you.
 
Someone remind me which one Marmot subbed in for and which one Sporty subbed in for lol
 
Oh thank **** I feel so much better about my reads now
 
Ok so basically where I'm at with the sporty/Chad slot is that Chad on his own was weh bordering on scummy, moon may have spewed him town (I think the ordered list in particular, while definitely not concrete, leans towards Chad being town for being in his own tier given mafia  tend to put more thought into where they place teammates), and sporty has had The Right Vibes

so its not, like, a super incredibly confident read, but.
 
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