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Day 1 Yeet Tally
Zenge (2) - Space 49, Shini 28
genny () -
Dubz () -
mkg () -
Shini (1) - genny 25
Santy (1) - Stagg 14
Clem (1) - moon 39
Stagg (2) - Dubz 45, samac 75
Gikkle (1) - Clem 19
moon (3) - Santy 77, Achro 61, Gikkle 44

11/15
yeet close in ~3 hours

 

[Stagg737]

How do I feel stagg

Child, I’m not going to feel you…

Nothing seems off right now though. In the mild village leans through page 5…

 

[moonstermash]

mkg323
moonstermash
Zenge142
WildZoo
ShinichiMD
Spacecamp

[condensed for length]

@moonstermash i'd like to hear from you in particular bc I know you have pretty different reads from me

Well, obviously I'd take me out, and I'd still take Zenge out. Even aside from the meta argument, I think his vibes are ~fine.

genny and Santy I would add; I know we're opposites on that. Santy I feel had some caught for the wrong reasons vibes during the argument with Stagg, and I haven't liked his pushes on me. genny I just don't get why people are reading her towny, and frankly her and Santy feel linked together, like one or maybe both of them are wolves.

Also, TBH, I don't get why you switched from Clem. Why couldn't he just be scum playing audaciously?

 

[Santygrass]

anyone has a good enough argument as to why any of these 6 shouldn't be my vote (or why someone should be added to the list) I'd like to hear it.

Zenge shouldn't be there.

Fairly confident he is town and will further clear himself.
The read is mostly meta and comparing to how he plays as wolf and not having the same natural process to say so not able to fully explain it. But also their argument with Achro I think was towny, and how they handed their read of Dubz also is something I dont think they would do so easily as wolf because Dubz wasnt being treated as town and could be a potential yeet to just watch from afar.

(For context Zenge holds a Dubz reading card with high accuracy)

 

[Santygrass]

What part of my pushes on you havent you liked moon?

 

[Spacecamp]

Well, obviously I'd take me out, and I'd still take Zenge out. Even aside from the meta argument, I think his vibes are ~fine.

genny and Santy I would add; I know we're opposites on that. Santy I feel had some caught for the wrong reasons vibes during the argument with Stagg, and I haven't liked his pushes on me. genny I just don't get why people are reading her towny, and frankly her and Santy feel linked together, like one or maybe both of them are wolves.

Also, TBH, I don't get why you switched from Clem. Why couldn't he just be scum playing audaciously?

First vibes: why you trying to "expand the POE?"
Upon second thought, you just traded 2 names for 2 names, so I guess it's not expanding the POE.

 

[ShinichiMD]

What pressure exactly are you hoping to apply here?

I’ve been up front with all of my reads.

You’ve yet to engage with me in any meaningful way.

Voting me to

Doesn’t make any kind of sense, given my thread activity and your lack of engagement with my slot

I mean me engaging or not engaging your post changes nothing. I got to my read by reading your posts and what others have said on your slot.

Me directly interacting or therefore lack of doesn't change anything.

 

[Santygrass]

Samac , genny, gikkle , Zenge

I believe should be mostly pure. I trust

 

[ShinichiMD]

Zenge shouldn't be there.

Fairly confident he is town and will further clear himself.
The read is mostly meta and comparing to how he plays as wolf and not having the same natural process to say so not able to fully explain it. But also their argument with Achro I think was towny, and how they handed their read of Dubz also is something I dont think they would do so easily as wolf because Dubz wasnt being treated as town and could be a potential yeet to just watch from afar.

(For context Zenge holds a Dubz reading card with high accuracy)

Problem is meta isn't enough for me to just ignore them for a day or so. Because I don't have my own meta on the slot, I need something damning that makes them a actually feel town.

 

[Santygrass]

I mean me engaging or not engaging your post changes nothing. I got to my read by reading your posts and what others have said on your slot.

Me directly interacting or therefore lack of doesn't change anything.

I think what the question is mostly directed at is what do you want of "pressuring" Zenge , and the lack of interaction doesnt add up much with the desire to "pressure" .

 

[Santygrass]

Problem is meta isn't enough for me to just ignore them for a day or so. Because I don't have my own meta on the slot, I need something damning that makes them a actually feel town.

I said the argument with achro + how they let out the Dubz read on thread.
Those are both things that happened in his game and gave context to it

 

[kaydubs]

Vote: Zenge

Not sure I understand the ### stuff

Vote noted!

 

[Santygrass]

@Zenge142 what is your read on Stagg?

 

[moonstermash]

What part of my pushes on you havent you liked moon?

You keep pointing out I only asked about samac like it's a "gotcha," but I don't think it means that much. I also think randomly throwing out my name in your convo with Stagg was an unfair deflection.

 

[Santygrass]

You keep pointing out I only asked about samac like it's a "gotcha," but I don't think it means that much. I also think randomly throwing out my name in your convo with Stagg was an unfair deflection.

For the first part its mostly that but also the fact that then you said you sussed genny because you didnt vibed with their reads.

So like you had 2 slots that you didnt vibed with reads , one as town and one as scum. I see a problem with that and you not having a problem with it until poked is what its the "gotcha" to me. Because I have problems thinking the approach there then is genuine.

And the mentioning you was also with some other names and in no way a deflection or a push? Like I think I also mentioned Zenge or Dubz which are people im townreading so ¿?

 

[Stagg737]

Yes, it depends mostly if I think their take on me is real or no which is something I have trouble having a clear view .

Like, if they really just have no recollection of the recent past games with me to just feel magically off and complain about stuff that I kinda always do, then I think its probably Town!Stagg because part of me doesnt think that as scum I would be the first slot they try to go to. Its prob the reason I didnt vote him back

On the other hand I cant really believe their perception holds up and before doing their vote there were two people sorta questioning me so it feels like they were capitalizing or trying to start a focus of sus on me, being the 'off' sentiment mostly what other townies felt and not a real tought from him.

So mulling over it

Other than Moon who else said you were off/questioned you there? Because Moon seems sketch to me for that reason when I don’t think you’ve played with them?

Stagg is at the top and the bottom?

Honestly this made me feel better about Santy. Despite how recent games have turned out, historically, when people have played with me a while are reading me village early on, it starts raising red flags for me because I am usually sketchballs AF as town and can coast more early on as scum

 

[moonstermash]

You keep pointing out I only asked about samac like it's a "gotcha," but I don't think it means that much. I also think randomly throwing out my name in your convo with Stagg was an unfair deflection.

Maybe not "unfair" exactly, I struggled to come up with the right word there, TBH. I just felt "why me?" about it, like you were saying I was doing worse than you were or something.

 

[samac]

Child, I’m not going to feel you…

Nothing seems off right now though. In the mild village leans through page 5…

Yeah okay
Shocked because you find the way I play to be suspect every time

 

[samac]

Zenge shouldn't be there.

Fairly confident he is town and will further clear himself.
The read is mostly meta and comparing to how he plays as wolf and not having the same natural process to say so not able to fully explain it. But also their argument with Achro I think was towny, and how they handed their read of Dubz also is something I dont think they would do so easily as wolf because Dubz wasnt being treated as town and could be a potential yeet to just watch from afar.

(For context Zenge holds a Dubz reading card with high accuracy)

I am cautiously going to agree with you.
I reserve the right to solidify it until D2 but he feels right

 

[moonstermash]

And the mentioning you was also with some other names and in no way a deflection or a push? Like I think I also mentioned Zenge or Dubz which are people im townreading so ¿?

Were you townreading them at the time, though? It didn't feel like it to me. But, maybe I just misread that, my bad.

 

[Santygrass]

Other than Moon who else said you were off/questioned you there? Because Moon seems sketch to me for that reason when I don’t think you’ve played with them?

I dont really recall more people sussing me much from the SoD . Later I think some of my replies to you sketched out some people but nothing too big . Moon and shinichi iirc . And also shinichi also mentioned it seemed probably t/t discussion

 

[Santygrass]

Were you townreading them at the time, though? It didn't feel like it to me. But, maybe I just misread that, my bad.

I wasnt scumreading you at the time (?)
The names there were just by content purposes. Mostly at 'people who have talked the same or less than me' way. In no way the names there had any alignment read or stuff. I even complained at Stagg that he kept replying with how he felt about those names

 

[mkg323]

I bet @Animal Midwife is salivating at the prospect of killing MKG in a game shes not even playing.

@mkg323 Post please

how about this
yeet moon
him being ok with voting for people who are like, at the top of his reads list that others are pushing just felt so... idk, indifferent? passive? it gave me the ick

 

[Stagg737]

stagg is a pokey individual.
But he’s sketchy 99% of the time though in recent some games town stagg has been distinct in a way I don’t want to outline at this point because I don’t want to give him a playbook. But he hasn’t had that energy yet.

Oh child, you don’t think I control my thread affect intentionally as village and wolf? I am fully aware that I am much sketchier this game and will almost certainly continue to be so going forward.

 

[Santygrass]

Maybe not "unfair" exactly, I struggled to come up with the right word there, TBH. I just felt "why me?" about it, like you were saying I was doing worse than you were or something.

Tbh at that time I feel like I was one of the slots that were doing more content into the thread so being called out for doing little when day was too young and almost everyone was on the same level or just much lower than me in content had me.super entitled to almost pick anyone from the playerlist lmao

 

[moonstermash]

Anyway, not that I think this is gonna help, but this is about where I'm at, not ordered in tiers:

moonster

Gikkle
Stagg737

Achromatic
samac
Spacecamp
WildZoo
Zenge142

holdthemayo
mkg323
potentialsheltervet

ShinichiMD

Clem J
genny
Santy

 

[Santygrass]

Tbh at that time I feel like I was one of the slots that were doing more content into the thread so being called out for doing little when day was too young and almost everyone was on the same level or just much lower than me in content had me.super entitled to almost pick anyone from the playerlist lmao

Point being, the names provided there werent to put /sus/ into it, and just seeing at the names put there and how my read lf them were at the time is clear. And also how I later complained that Stagg replying how they felt about them wasnt my intention is once again a sign that 'deflection' wasnt the intention of the quesion.

The /intent/ was questioning stagg logic there / show it didnt hold much ground/sense

 

[Stagg737]

Anyway, not that I think this is gonna help, but this is about where I'm at, not ordered in tiers:

moonster

Gikkle
Stagg737

Achromatic
samac
Spacecamp
WildZoo
Zenge142

holdthemayo
mkg323
potentialsheltervet

ShinichiMD

Clem J
genny
Santy

Not caught up (only on pg 7) but through that if town is at the top I have significant problems with this list...

 

[Santygrass]

how about this
yeet moon
him being ok with voting for people who are like, at the top of his reads list that others are pushing just felt so... idk, indifferent? passive? it gave me the ick

What are you talking in specific here? Memory is having a bit of skill issue interpreting this

 

[moonstermash]

how about this
yeet moon
him being ok with voting for people who are like, at the top of his reads list that others are pushing just felt so... idk, indifferent? passive? it gave me the ick

What do you mean? Who am I okay voting for at the top of my reads list? Are you confusing me with someone else?

(Also, FTR, I'm a she.)

 

[Zenge142]

and what others have said on your slot.

Can you highlight anything specifically?

 

[Stagg737]

Actually, I have a reason to Scumread stagg. It's the 737.
😛

Those are the best numbers in that order. 7 is the best, followed by 3, followed by 7 again because it's just that great.

 

[moonstermash]

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Zenge (2) - Space 49, Shini 28
genny () -
Dubz () -
mkg () -
Shini (1) - genny 25
Santy (1) - Stagg 14
Clem (1) - moon 39
Stagg (2) - Dubz 45, samac 75
Gikkle (1) - Clem 19
moon (3) - Santy 77, Achro 61, Gikkle 44

11/15
yeet close in ~3 hours

Anyway, not that I think this is gonna help, but this is about where I'm at, not ordered in tiers:

moonster

Gikkle
Stagg737

Achromatic
samac
Spacecamp
WildZoo
Zenge142

holdthemayo
mkg323
potentialsheltervet

ShinichiMD

Clem J
genny
Santy

Actually, maybe I'm a sucker, but I feel a little better after talking to Santy recently. Move him up with Shinichi instead.

 

[moonstermash]

Well, I didn't mean to quote the vote tally there, but okay...

 

[mkg323]

What are you talking in specific here? Memory is having a bit of skill issue interpreting this

this was actually a skill issue on my part. reading comprehension is a bitch. moon said veto, not vote
didnt realize till i went to quote it for ya

What do you mean? Who am I okay voting for at the top of my reads list? Are you confusing me with someone else?

(Also, FTR, I'm a she.)

sorry about that!

 

[moonstermash]

this was actually a skill issue on my part. reading comprehension is a bitch. moon said veto, not vote
didnt realize till i went to quote it for ya


sorry about that!

Alright. Could you please unvote me, then? (And then maybe everyone else will, too...)

 

[Stagg737]

Rude

Scum Samac identified for incorrect spelling...

Huh. Never seen a spoiler get broken like that

You deleted the bracket at the end. To bad you can't go back and edit....

I don't think I like this sequence of posts from Zenge

If Zenge is scum, lock Achro clear. Shinichi seems a tiny bit more scummy if Zenge is scum, and whomever Zenge is talking to in the first of these quotes (links fail in the post-box) is also likely clear.

Why does this lock clear Achro? Is Achro pretty anti-bussing?

I think they're actually likely to respond since they're not just straight up inactive

It was either them or mkg

Maybe you said this, but why MKG as a top wolf read?

Also the call-out to Stagg vote being an ick while I could agree with it feels like it lacks nuance? So idk .

I could see it just being to maybe lead me to follow it and sus Stagg aswell. Waver is that also @samac isnt feeling good about Stagg so we'll see.

Another big part that I need is for @Stagg737 to be back / catch up and compare my game to my D1 of Melee . Which wasnt not long ago lol

Idk if I will get to the melee comparison tonight. But I feel better about you through page 8. I agree with the part with Dubz as well. Felt was too easy and I think a real Dubz vote on me would be solidly justified or not justified at all (aka, a vote for Stagg is always a good vote).

 

[Santygrass]

@Zenge142 what is your read on Stagg?

 

[samac]

Oh child, you don’t think I control my thread affect intentionally as village and wolf? I am fully aware that I am much sketchier this game and will almost certainly continue to be so going forward.

Then why do you get caught as a wolf

 

[moonstermash]

@holdthemayo @potentialsheltervet @Zenge142

Would you like to come vote someone who is not me? Preferably the same person, even?

 

[samac]

What are you talking in specific here? Memory is having a bit of skill issue interpreting this

I still think I’d yeet her

 

[Stagg737]

Unvote Santy

Not 100% where I'm at yet, but most concerned with Moon and Dubz.

I feel better about Santy and Space.

genny is solidly green to me.

 

[samac]

Scum Samac identified for incorrect spelling...


You deleted the bracket at the end. To bad you can't go back and edit....


Why does this lock clear Achro? Is Achro pretty anti-bussing?


Maybe you said this, but why MKG as a top wolf read?


Idk if I will get to the melee comparison tonight. But I feel better about you through page 8. I agree with the part with Dubz as well. Felt was too easy and I think a real Dubz vote on me would be solidly justified or not justified at all (aka, a vote for Stagg is always a good vote).

Contrary to popular belief staff someone starting a wagon that stands to gain traction on d1 is not typical wolf behavior.

 

[samac]

the thread feels somewhat stagnant and like there’s little resistance to the 2 top discussed players - stagg, moon.
There’s resistance to Zenges but that’s me and santy and dubz and I don’t think it’s coming from a wolfy place from either of yall.

It also just might be because it’s slow.
How do we feel about the discussions around stagg and moon?

 

[Stagg737]

You have a decent record reading me in the past but, ya know, recency bias. I mean it's reasonable to think things might have changed since i was on hiatus for a while.

I started posting in bad haikus and everything!

They are quite bad. Perhaps limericks may be better?

 

[Santygrass]

the thread feels somewhat stagnant and like there’s little resistance to the 2 top discussed players - stagg, moon.
There’s resistance to Zenges but that’s me and santy and dubz and I don’t think it’s coming from a wolfy place from either of yall.

It also just might be because it’s slow.
How do we feel about the discussions around stagg and moon?

Welp, for moon specifically I feel like everyone agrees they are kinda sus and didnt saw another opinion? Its a bit worrying but Im letting it roll for a bit

And from Stagg I dlnt think other than you and Dubz there is more people calling them sus so I think thread is kinda leaving Stagg in the side sort of feel . (Also the reason why I am questioning Zenge about their read on Stagg)

 

[Zenge142]

@holdthemayo @potentialsheltervet @Zenge142

Would you like to come vote someone who is not me? Preferably the same person, even?

I am actually starting to come around on moon being town. I think Moon’s worldview is very off. Don’t agree with that reads list much. Especially Santy at the bottom. But being wrong on Santy, who I think is probably town, isn’t indicative of moon being a wolf. Especially D1.

I’ve probably been guilty of the same mistake tbh.

 

[Santygrass]

Welp, for moon specifically I feel like everyone agrees they are kinda sus and didnt saw another opinion? Its a bit worrying but Im letting it roll for a bit

And from Stagg I dlnt think other than you and Dubz there is more people calling them sus so I think thread is kinda leaving Stagg in the side sort of feel . (Also the reason why I am questioning Zenge about their read on Stagg)

Also mostly because other yeet option rn that I would think is... Clem?

And would be more of an aura sheep that both genny and zenge didnt vibe with Clem more than an actual reason to sus Clem may be mafia

 

[Zenge142]

@Zenge142 what is your read on Stagg?

Whoops Sorry.

I’ve come around on Stagg with his most recent posts. Leaning town.

 

[Stagg737]

@Stagg737 can you talk to me about your read on Clem presently?

Clem is Clem. Not much there, but also nothing that seems off. I'll give him until D2 before actually applying pressure. Then the power washer comes out...