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I've looked at several osteopathic medicine schools' websites and most of them have said that they weight MCAT scores lower and GPAs higher than most MD programs. Does anyone here have any idea of approximately how they weight MCAT scores?

My overall GPA isn't great. I was originally an electrical engineering major. That's a very hard major at this school and it really kicked my butt. Later I switched to biology and my grades have improved since then. Right now I'm at a 3.0 heading into my senior year. I expect that the GPA will continue to go up but I'd like to apply this summer and they might not see it.

Although my GPA is low, I am confident that I can get a high MCAT score. I've taken a Kaplan course and I'm scoring in the 30+ range on practice tests. I'm good at the subjects covered on the MCAT. Do you think high MCAT scores will offset my below average GPA at all? Or would I be better off applying after my senior year (hopefully with a higher GPA)?
 
The bottom line is that you don't know how well you'll do on the MCAT until that score report comes in the mail. There are those that have scored mediocre scores on Kaplan and gone on to do very well on the MCAT, and there are also those that went in with "30+" practice scores and got mid-20s. Being confident in your abilites is nice, and feeling like you're "good at what the MCAT tests" is nice, but remember that the MCAT is more a thinking test than a topical. It's simply useless to speculate upon a hypothetical future in which you've scored your ideal MCAT, because hardly any of us have done that (with the exception of a few!).

Now, that being said, I will tell you that whatever rumor is spreading around here that Osteopathic schools don't care that much about your MCAT score is FALSE. If you're expecting DO programs to simply roll over and let you in based on what you perceive to be your own merit, then you're sadly mistaken. Every year there are stellar candidates who are turned away from DO programs. If getting in to a DO program is so easy, then why did my school have 4,000 primary applications for 100 spots? 4% getting in is not what I'd call "easy entrance into DO school".

Like all medical schools in the US, there are many EQUALLY-WEIGHTED factors and some that are MORE HEAVILY weighted that go into the selection of a good candidate. The five biggies are:

1)MCAT score
2)Science and cumulative GPA
3)Extracurriculars(including research, volunteering, shadowing, etc.)
4)Interview
5)Letters of Recommendation.


Yes, DO schools do tend to pay a little more attention to extracurriculars, but only because they like to foster an eclectic, well-rounded applicant. They are not after the gunners and trolls; there are plenty of MD programs that would LOVE to have them. However, they believe that what extracurriculars an individual has chosen to donate their time to says a lot about the person. For example, if they volunteered in an ER(EVERYONE does this), were a member of the premed honor society(EVERYONE does this), and did research on campus(EVERYONE does this), then they've done nothing special in the eyes of the committee. However, if (for example) they've spent significant time abroad, volunteering their time, gaining a cultural perspective, then they've done something that hardly anyone does, and that makes the individual and therefore the applicant a more interesting human being and sets them apart from the literally tens of thousands of premed hopefuls out there.

Mostly they're looking for extraordinary people, and this applies to both MD and DO programs. If you've done extensive research and are published, then you're clearly an exceptional researcher. If you've managed to keep a 4.0 and have a 35+ MCAT, then you've either not had to work full time through undergraduate or you are a very dedicated student. If you have a list of extracurriculars that takes up a lot of disc space, then you're probably a very dedicated humanitarian. All of these people listed above are EXCEPTIONAL and extraordinary individuals. These are the types of people that schools are looking for. Because medicine is a primarily humanistic endeavor, they are looking for a humanistically diverse set of future physicians. Whom they choose is up to them, but you should go into this process knowing that there's a lot more to it than your "expected" MCAT score. You'll be going up against people who have experienced, seen, done, accomplished more than you have, and you'll have to have something more to offer the committee than "I THOUGHT I was going to rock the MCAT". Good luck to you.
 
AMEN... that is all I can say to that MJ... 😎

mj1878 said:
The bottom line is that you don't know how well you'll do on the MCAT until that score report comes in the mail. There are those that have scored mediocre scores on Kaplan and gone on to do very well on the MCAT, and there are also those that went in with "30+" practice scores and got mid-20s. Being confident in your abilites is nice, and feeling like you're "good at what the MCAT tests" is nice, but remember that the MCAT is more a thinking test than a topical. It's simply useless to speculate upon a hypothetical future in which you've scored your ideal MCAT, because hardly any of us have done that (with the exception of a few!).

Now, that being said, I will tell you that whatever rumor is spreading around here that Osteopathic schools don't care that much about your MCAT score is FALSE. If you're expecting DO programs to simply roll over and let you in based on what you perceive to be your own merit, then you're sadly mistaken. Every year there are stellar candidates who are turned away from DO programs. If getting in to a DO program is so easy, then why did my school have 4,000 primary applications for 100 spots? 4% getting in is not what I'd call "easy entrance into DO school".

Like all medical schools in the US, there are many EQUALLY-WEIGHTED factors and some that are MORE HEAVILY weighted that go into the selection of a good candidate. The five biggies are:

1)MCAT score
2)Science and cumulative GPA
3)Extracurriculars(including research, volunteering, shadowing, etc.)
4)Interview
5)Letters of Recommendation.


Yes, DO schools do tend to pay a little more attention to extracurriculars, but only because they like to foster an eclectic, well-rounded applicant. They are not after the gunners and trolls; there are plenty of MD programs that would LOVE to have them. However, they believe that what extracurriculars an individual has chosen to donate their time to says a lot about the person. For example, if they volunteered in an ER(EVERYONE does this), were a member of the premed honor society(EVERYONE does this), and did research on campus(EVERYONE does this), then they've done nothing special in the eyes of the committee. However, if (for example) they've spent significant time abroad, volunteering their time, gaining a cultural perspective, then they've done something that hardly anyone does, and that makes the individual and therefore the applicant a more interesting human being and sets them apart from the literally tens of thousands of premed hopefuls out there.

Mostly they're looking for extraordinary people, and this applies to both MD and DO programs. If you've done extensive research and are published, then you're clearly an exceptional researcher. If you've managed to keep a 4.0 and have a 35+ MCAT, then you've either not had to work full time through undergraduate or you are a very dedicated student. If you have a list of extracurriculars that takes up a lot of disc space, then you're probably a very dedicated humanitarian. All of these people listed above are EXCEPTIONAL and extraordinary individuals. These are the types of people that schools are looking for. Because medicine is a primarily humanistic endeavor, they are looking for a humanistically diverse set of future physicians. Whom they choose is up to them, but you should go into this process knowing that there's a lot more to it than your "expected" MCAT score. You'll be going up against people who have experienced, seen, done, accomplished more than you have, and you'll have to have something more to offer the committee than "I THOUGHT I was going to rock the MCAT". Good luck to you.
 
mj1878 said:
The bottom line is that you don't know how well you'll do on the MCAT until that score report comes in the mail. There are those that have scored mediocre scores on Kaplan and gone on to do very well on the MCAT, and there are also those that went in with "30+" practice scores and got mid-20s. Being confident in your abilites is nice, and feeling like you're "good at what the MCAT tests" is nice, but remember that the MCAT is more a thinking test than a topical. It's simply useless to speculate upon a hypothetical future in which you've scored your ideal MCAT, because hardly any of us have done that (with the exception of a few!).

Now, that being said, I will tell you that whatever rumor is spreading around here that Osteopathic schools don't care that much about your MCAT score is FALSE. If you're expecting DO programs to simply roll over and let you in based on what you perceive to be your own merit, then you're sadly mistaken. Every year there are stellar candidates who are turned away from DO programs. If getting in to a DO program is so easy, then why did my school have 4,000 primary applications for 100 spots? 4% getting in is not what I'd call "easy entrance into DO school".

Like all medical schools in the US, there are many EQUALLY-WEIGHTED factors and some that are MORE HEAVILY weighted that go into the selection of a good candidate. The five biggies are:

1)MCAT score
2)Science and cumulative GPA
3)Extracurriculars(including research, volunteering, shadowing, etc.)
4)Interview
5)Letters of Recommendation.


Yes, DO schools do tend to pay a little more attention to extracurriculars, but only because they like to foster an eclectic, well-rounded applicant. They are not after the gunners and trolls; there are plenty of MD programs that would LOVE to have them. However, they believe that what extracurriculars an individual has chosen to donate their time to says a lot about the person. For example, if they volunteered in an ER(EVERYONE does this), were a member of the premed honor society(EVERYONE does this), and did research on campus(EVERYONE does this), then they've done nothing special in the eyes of the committee. However, if (for example) they've spent significant time abroad, volunteering their time, gaining a cultural perspective, then they've done something that hardly anyone does, and that makes the individual and therefore the applicant a more interesting human being and sets them apart from the literally tens of thousands of premed hopefuls out there.

Mostly they're looking for extraordinary people, and this applies to both MD and DO programs. If you've done extensive research and are published, then you're clearly an exceptional researcher. If you've managed to keep a 4.0 and have a 35+ MCAT, then you've either not had to work full time through undergraduate or you are a very dedicated student. If you have a list of extracurriculars that takes up a lot of disc space, then you're probably a very dedicated humanitarian. All of these people listed above are EXCEPTIONAL and extraordinary individuals. These are the types of people that schools are looking for. Because medicine is a primarily humanistic endeavor, they are looking for a humanistically diverse set of future physicians. Whom they choose is up to them, but you should go into this process knowing that there's a lot more to it than your "expected" MCAT score. You'll be going up against people who have experienced, seen, done, accomplished more than you have, and you'll have to have something more to offer the committee than "I THOUGHT I was going to rock the MCAT". Good luck to you.

mj1878,

Incredible insight! I wonder if you could help an upcoming TUCOM-MI interviewee with some equally as helpful advice. Maybe, describe your panel interview experience? Anything else would be gladly appreciated!

Thanks
 
Thanks for the reply. I can't be certain from just reading text, but the tone I'm percieving from that post is a little angry. I didn't mean to imply that it's easy to get into DO programs and I wasn't trying to belittle their standards or anything. I understand that the MCAT is more of a critical thinking test, but mastery of the subject matter certainly helps.

I didn't meant to sound arrogant about the expected MCAT scores. I do think that a score in 30s range is realistic. I'm shooting for a 38-40. I just got the impression that osteopathic schools don't consider the MCAT to be as important as do allopathic schools. I would actually prefer for them to weight MCATs highly (unless of course I fair poorly on them 😳 )

The student's grade point average (GPA) in required courses weighs heavily in the admissions consideration. In addition applicants are required to take the Medical College Admissions Test (MCAT), however this test does not weigh as heavily in the admissions decision making as does the GPA and the information gleaned from interviews.

That's what the Virginia College of Osteopathic Medicine has to say. I saw some other colleges say things to similar effect. I do have a fair amount of clinical experience including some overseas. But I have a relatively weak overall GPA. I just wanted to know if high MCAT scores could help offset this at all.
 
DyersEve said:
I've looked at several osteopathic medicine schools' websites and most of them have said that they weight MCAT scores lower and GPAs higher than most MD programs. Does anyone here have any idea of approximately how they weight MCAT scores?

My overall GPA isn't great. I was originally an electrical engineering major. That's a very hard major at this school and it really kicked my butt. Later I switched to biology and my grades have improved since then. Right now I'm at a 3.0 heading into my senior year. I expect that the GPA will continue to go up but I'd like to apply this summer and they might not see it.

Although my GPA is low, I am confident that I can get a high MCAT score. I've taken a Kaplan course and I'm scoring in the 30+ range on practice tests. I'm good at the subjects covered on the MCAT. Do you think high MCAT scores will offset my below average GPA at all? Or would I be better off applying after my senior year (hopefully with a higher GPA)?

Hello DyersEve!

Welcome to the SDN forum.

Medical school is a roll of a dice sort of a deal. As for the O schools, if you have a low GPA, then that isn't the end of the world, but you need to score higher on the MCAT now. For example, one classmate of mine had a 3.0 culmilative and a 2.96 BCP.

His culmilative and science GPA was a little bit on the low side so he had to retake some of those classes and got about a 3.2. He took the MCAT and scored 32.

He applied to 11 O schools and had 4 interviews and two acceptances.

Also, some O schools are very EC heavy. Philadelphia has a lot of Peace Corp people attending there for example. Also a lot of former military people there too. They have a 24 MCAT, but you need to have some good ECs. Volunteering for 100 hours at the hospital won't cut it.

Other schools are very MCAT and GPA picky. UMDMJ has like a 28 MCAT for example. And the Texas O schools are hard to go to unless you are from Texas.

Best of wishes and Godspeed.

C&C
 
How is the Kaplan course. I was told that they don't teach materials at all. I will have had all of my pre-recs done except Orgo 2 which will be in progress next year. I plan on taking the course with the extra 5 hours of tutoring. I am having a tough time with physics now because it is so accelerated over the summer and I don't expect to retain much. Does Kaplan just assume you don't remember most of the material? Overall how would you rate the course?
 
Oh and yes I have heard that many COMs look very closely at ECs and the interview as much as numbers. I guess it is more about the person. I mean cmon we all know that person who had all the grades but had the personality of used Kleenex.
 
mastamark said:
How is the Kaplan course. I was told that they don't teach materials at all. I will have had all of my pre-recs done except Orgo 2 which will be in progress next year. I plan on taking the course with the extra 5 hours of tutoring. I am having a tough time with physics now because it is so accelerated over the summer and I don't expect to retain much. Does Kaplan just assume you don't remember most of the material? Overall how would you rate the course?

I found the Kaplan course to quite useful. They can't really go over all the material during class. However, books that review all the content are provided as materials for the course. They expect you to do the readings outside of class. During the lessons they go over some key areas of the material but they mainly focus on practicing how to attack the problems.

While content review is very important, it is equally important to know how approach the problems. It's a cliche, but the MCAT is as much a critical thinking exam as it is a content exam. Kaplan really stresses that. It's amazing how well you can score without actually knowing a lot of the material well.

They also have 5 required full length practice test sessions that simulate the real test....you show up at 8 am you take PS and VR, then there's a 60 min lunch break followed by the essay and Bio sci.They also have additional practice tests that are optional. I found the practice tests to be really helpful. During the diagnostic (which is half the length of the real thing) I was very exhausted mentally. But the practice tests really got my stamina up.

I took the course from Jan to April. I'm going to retake parts of it (for free as guaranteed) and take additional practice tests before taking the MCAT in August. I didn't really have time to study the content and do all the recommended homework when I took the course because my course load was quite heavy during that time. But even without studying much, my MCAT practice test scores consistently improved. I am doing all the content reviews and doing all the extra preparation that they recommended now and it's helped.

The Kaplan course helped me because they provided a nicely structured study program. I don't think I would have known where to even begin if I studied by myself. I probably would have just gone through some random MCAT prep books. It also put me in touch with similar students like myself and we started study groups etc. But of course, you can't expect miracles out of it. You'll get what you put in. You still have to work very hard to get good scores. They can only lead you to water.....
 
So, I graduated this past december and i messed up pretty badly in undergrad. I have a 3.0 overall and a 2.9 science GPA. I realize I'm on the verge of having no chance, but I'm looking for some guidance as to what I can do from here on out. As for my extra curriculars I've done a lot of public health research and clinical work in college. I'm currently shadowing 3 doctors (one D.O.), volunteering at a free clinic and doing ophthalmology research at a local university. On top of that I'm quite active in the music community, touring and giving performances, as well as actually teaching classes.

I THINK in terms of E.C. I might be okay, but if anyone has any more guidance or suggestions...i would love to know.

Academics are actually my biggest concern. I got a bunch of C's in college, and I want to know what I should due to academically prove that I am more capable than my transcripts seem to indicate. I'm not sure whether I should take these classes over again, or take upper division courses instead. Also, I just took the April MCAT...I'm not sure how i did yet...but I'm wondering with my GPA--at what score should i retake the test? I thought anything lower than a 30?

Lastly, i was wondering if I applied this December...after having taken 5 more classes (over summer and the fall semester) and possibly taking the MCAT over...if there is still a reasonable chance of getting into schools. I realize it's late in the process. But with my crappy numbers, should i even consider applying now...without something to show for? ANY advice will be MUCH appreciated!

thanks!
-lost
 
ohwhat2do said:
So, I graduated this past december and i messed up pretty badly in undergrad. I have a 3.0 overall and a 2.9 science GPA. I realize I'm on the verge of having no chance, but I'm looking for some guidance as to what I can do from here on out. As for my extra curriculars I've done a lot of public health research and clinical work in college. I'm currently shadowing 3 doctors (one D.O.), volunteering at a free clinic and doing ophthalmology research at a local university. On top of that I'm quite active in the music community, touring and giving performances, as well as actually teaching classes.

I THINK in terms of E.C. I might be okay, but if anyone has any more guidance or suggestions...i would love to know.

Academics are actually my biggest concern. I got a bunch of C's in college, and I want to know what I should due to academically prove that I am more capable than my transcripts seem to indicate. I'm not sure whether I should take these classes over again, or take upper division courses instead. Also, I just took the April MCAT...I'm not sure how i did yet...but I'm wondering with my GPA--at what score should i retake the test? I thought anything lower than a 30?

Lastly, i was wondering if I applied this December...after having taken 5 more classes (over summer and the fall semester) and possibly taking the MCAT over...if there is still a reasonable chance of getting into schools. I realize it's late in the process. But with my crappy numbers, should i even consider applying now...without something to show for? ANY advice will be MUCH appreciated!

thanks!
-lost

I think if you score 30+ you should still apply and maybe high 20s (27+) for some schools, you may at least have a shot. I would take upper level classes and just update with transcripts.

To the OP: I think for DO schools High GPAs can offset a low MCAT (my case) and vice versa. It all depends on the schools. VCOM do state they give more emphasis on the GPA than the MCAT. I was accepted there too.
 
DyersEve said:
Thanks for the reply. I can't be certain from just reading text, but the tone I'm percieving from that post is a little angry. I didn't mean to imply that it's easy to get into DO programs and I wasn't trying to belittle their standards or anything. I understand that the MCAT is more of a critical thinking test, but mastery of the subject matter certainly helps.

I didn't meant to sound arrogant about the expected MCAT scores. I do think that a score in 30s range is realistic. I'm shooting for a 38-40. I just got the impression that osteopathic schools don't consider the MCAT to be as important as do allopathic schools. I would actually prefer for them to weight MCATs highly (unless of course I fair poorly on them 😳 )



That's what the Virginia College of Osteopathic Medicine has to say. I saw some other colleges say things to similar effect. I do have a fair amount of clinical experience including some overseas. But I have a relatively weak overall GPA. I just wanted to know if high MCAT scores could help offset this at all.
Maybe you should re-read what you wrote in your 1st paragraph and see why she/he used that tone
 
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