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I saw this in the pre-podiatry forum and I thought it would be a good idea to have in the MD/DO forums. Will be helpful for those applying next year!

1. cGPA sGPA
2. MCAT
3. ECs
4. Schools applied to
5. Acceptances
6. Traditional or non traditional application
7. State you live in
 
I used to be pre-physical therapy and these threads are also in there and I loved reading through them. I think its a great thread but for whatever reason the premed crowd doesn't want to see it. Others have tried starting this up before. Yes it is a tough crowd. People say use the MSAR but that only does what this thread is meant to be to a certain extent. MSAR shows GPAs and MCAT. Yeah thats great. MSAR shows how much of the incoming class did volunteering, shadowing, post-bac, etc. But how much volunteering did each student do? 100, 200, 300 hours? how many hours and how many different doctors did the students shadow? How much leadership did they have? MSAR just says 90% of the incoming class did volunteering. Ok but it would be nice to see the type of volunteering they did, how many different places, and how many hours. How much research? Publications? This is what the MSAR doesn't show. Also this thread would be great in seeing how many interviews each student got and how many acceptances. I think part of it is the competitive environment that sometimes takes place among premeds. And part of it is the neuroticism. Nope premeds just don't want to see it.
 
TPH225 said:
According to MSAR, I shouldn't have gotten in to any of the MD schools I applied to. Must be nice to have a 517.
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The MSAR is not some crystal ball that tells you where you will or will not get in during your cycle, but allows applicants to devise a well informed school list based on many factors, that is all.

Also lol, yes it does “feel nice”, but as we all know, admission to medical school is not a reward for high test metrics, there are many other aspects to it.
 
On_The_Way_Up said:
I used to be pre-physical therapy and these threads are also in there and I loved reading through them. I think its a great thread but for whatever reason the premed crowd doesn't want to see it. Others have tried starting this up before. Yes it is a tough crowd. People say use the MSAR but that only does what this thread is meant to be to a certain extent. MSAR shows GPAs and MCAT. Yeah thats great. MSAR shows how much of the incoming class did volunteering, shadowing, post-bac, etc. But how much volunteering did each student do? 100, 200, 300 hours? how many hours and how many different doctors did the students shadow? How much leadership did they have? MSAR just says 90% of the incoming class did volunteering. Ok but it would be nice to see the type of volunteering they did, how many different places, and how many hours. How much research? Publications? This is what the MSAR doesn't show. Also this thread would be great in seeing how many interviews each student got and how many acceptances. I think part of it is the competitive environment that sometimes takes place among premeds. And part of it is the neuroticism. Nope premeds just don't want to see it.
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Yeah I love reading them too! When I posted this in the DO forum, the response was much nicer. Oh well. MSAR was extremely helpful when compiling a list of what schools to apply to but theres nothing as helpful as reading peoples' personal stories. Thanks for the support!
 
TPH225 said:
Yeah I love reading them too! When I posted this in the DO forum, the response was much nicer. Oh well. MSAR was extremely helpful when compiling a list of what schools to apply to but theres nothing as helpful as reading peoples' personal stories. Thanks for the support!
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I completely agree, that is why I would advise your sister to look at MDApps as well for curiosity, but not to rely on a few anecdotes to gauge her competitiveness
 
I applaud the efforts of the Poster who started this thread, but some of the negative responses apparently show the mindset of some MD applicants. The go look it up for yourself attitude doesn't help applicants or perhaps more importantly future applicants. These are people who will someday be colleagues. I personally would rather have colleagues who are helpful and supportive.
True, for those who respond, it's a small and not necessarily representative sample of applicants. But it CAN be helpful if for no other reason then to let someone know they aren't alone and perhaps have a chance.
Yes, there are many other resources available. But this forum is also a resource. Or am I completely bonkers???
 
1 3.9, 3.9
2. 511(127,126,128,130)
3. Won’t say to protect privacy but have all the boxes checked but could have used some more NON clinical community service
4. 45+ MD 3 DO
5. 1 MD, 1 DO
6. Traditional
7. CA
 
Kingsmen2018 said:
1 3.9, 3.9
2. 511(127,126,128,130)
3. Won’t say to protect privacy but have all the boxes checked but could have used some more NON clinical community service
4. 45+ MD 3 DO
5. 1 MD, 1 DO
6. Traditional
7. CA
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I know getting into med school is competitive but with those stats that’s crazy you only got one offer. Congrats anyways tho cuz one is all you need
 
Bill1988 said:
I applaud the efforts of the Poster who started this thread, but some of the negative responses apparently show the mindset of some MD applicants. The go look it up for yourself attitude doesn't help applicants or perhaps more importantly future applicants. These are people who will someday be colleagues. I personally would rather have colleagues who are helpful and supportive.
True, for those who respond, it's a small and not necessarily representative sample of applicants. But it CAN be helpful if for no other reason then to let someone know they aren't alone and perhaps have a chance.
Yes, there are many other resources available. But this forum is also a resource. Or am I completely bonkers???
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I don't understand why this idea was so well accepted in the DO forum but absolutely roasted here. I totally agree, having an extra resource can be nothing but helpful. For example, I didn't even know that MD applicant feature existed until now, which would have been too late. I feel as though if you see something and you don't like it, then simply don't participate.
 
TPH225 said:
I don't understand why this idea was so well accepted in the DO forum but absolutely roasted here. I totally agree, having an extra resource can be nothing but helpful. For example, I didn't even know that MD applicant feature existed until now, which would have been too late. I feel as though if you see something and you don't like it, then simply don't participate.
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Because we tend to prefer data to anecdotes. Reddit is the place for stories it seems.

Personally I would have liked to have it to read through during my application, but I appreciate the data-driven nature of Pre-Allo SDN as it serves as the “real talk” that people often need but don’t get.
 
21Rush12 said:
Because we tend to prefer data to anecdotes. Reddit is the place for stories it seems.

Personally I would have liked to have it to read through during my application, but I appreciate the data-driven nature of Pre-Allo SDN as it serves as the “real talk” that people often need but don’t get.
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I also feel like there's a heightened sense of competition here, or that applicants tend to be more anxious/on edge. While this forum has been very helpful in terms of preparing me for this application cycle, it can sometimes feel outright hostile! I think some people are less likely to want to share lest they be accused of humblebragging, etc.
 
21Rush12 said:
Because we tend to prefer data to anecdotes. Reddit is the place for stories it seems.
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Data can be collected in this way as well though. Sure, a person can over/under sell themselves on here, but it is still a form of data.

Can it tell you "yes, I will for sure get in because I have what that other poster had (or better)", or "I will for sure not get in because I'm not as good as that other poster", etc.? Nope, but then neither can the MSAR.

Should you throw the MSAR out the window, and rely only on posts like this? Nope, and especially not after paying what they charge for the MSAR, but personal reports (call them anecdotes if you want) can still have value.
 
When I was applying, I was totally obsessed with finding data like this so hopefully i can contribute to someone elses obsession haha
Edit: If you have any questions feel free to PM

1. 3.87 3.99 (All Bs were in Italian classes.)
2. 512 balanced outside a 130 CARS and 125 Pysch/Soc
3. 500 hours of shadowing, President of Philanthropy club, 600 hours of volunteering through said club, 300 hours of research, about 800 hours of valet from senior year in hs to senior year in college. 160 hours of TA intro chem course. ~70 hours as Director of Technology working with physician with medical start up targeting health disparities in minorities
4. UIC, MCW, SLU, Rush, Northwestern, SIU, Rosy Frank, Loyola, U Mich, U Minn, U Indiana, U Iowa
5. Acceptances: UIC (RFU post II TBD)
6. Traditional application IMPORTANT: Don't apply late. I sent in my secondaries Sept and due to a LOR error, I wasn't complete with UIC until late October.
7. IL
 
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I applied Texas and out of state. My philosophy was to apply top-heaving out of state because I had good chances in Texas, so why not take my shot despite a relatively low MCAT for top tiers.

1. cGPA: 3.93 sGPA: 4.00
2. MCAT 128/125/130/131 = 514
3. ECs
- ~1200 hrs of research w two pubs (one first author)
- 4-5 strong leadership positions
- ~400 hrs of non-clinical volunteering and philanthropy
- 200 hrs of clinical volunteering; 150+ hrs shadowing
4. Schools applied to
TX (didn't apply to a few): Dell (R post secondary), UTSW (II), McGovern (II), Texas Tech Lubbock (II), Long SOM (II), UTMB (II), Baylor (II)
OOS: Columbia, Duke, Cornell (R), Emory, Harvard, UMich (R), Upenn, Yale, UCSD (hold), Case Western (R), Dartmouth (R), JHU (R), Mayo (R), Stanford (R)
5. Acceptances
Pre-matches: UTSW, McGovern, TTLubbock, UTMB
6. Traditional
7. State you live in: TX

My reflection: I am slightly surprised at this point at the lack of II's out of state, even at places like Dartmouth, Case, or Emory where my MCAT was in the ballpark. I have heard that OOS schools can be less likely to interview TX residents because it is unlikely they will matriculate over a cheaper TX school, but this might just be conjecture. Nonetheless, I am very grateful to have experienced the success I did in TX. If anyone has questions feel free to PM.
 
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OlderGeorgiaPreMed said:
Data can be collected in this way as well though. Sure, a person can over/under sell themselves on here, but it is still a form of data.
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I don’t think the data collected in this way has any real validity. The story of the 3.2/505 ORM who gets into his top choice school is given the same, if not more, weight and emphasis on threads like this one. These threads have a place for motivation and encouragement, but they tend to stray into the unrealistic/misleading category more often than not.

OlderGeorgiaPreMed said:
Can it tell you "yes, I will for sure get in because I have what that other poster had (or better)", or "I will for sure not get in because I'm not as good as that other poster", etc.? Nope, but then neither can the MSAR.
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This is like saying a fortune teller is as good as a radiologist at reading CT scans because neither can say for sure what something is. Relative merit is the key.
 
hmmmm... I don't think anyone expects (or is asking for) admittance to med school on this site. I do think folks are looking for information. One can draw conclusions based on the information (with a grain of salt) provided. Will an MCAT of xyz guarantee admittance? Who knows. Will a gazillion hours of service guarantee admittance? Not if you're a jerk during your interview.
Some of the respondents here seem to think if someone asks a question they are being lazy. Well if that were the case, they wouldn't be applying to Med school would they? And no one knows everything. If that were so, they wouldn't need to apply and go to Med school in the first place. It seems some need to just get over themselves. There is much to learn.
 
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21Rush12 said:
This is like saying a fortune teller is as good as a radiologist at reading CT scans because neither can say for sure what something is. Relative merit is the key.
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You are most certainly entitled to your opinion, but this is a terrible analogy anyway you look at it. The fortune teller wouldn't have ANY experience at all with reading CT Scans, but the Radiologist should. My statement deals with people who have experience with the system. Sure it's not the same level of data that the MSAR provides (because it is simply one person's experience), but it's not the equivalent of your "fortune teller/radiologist" comparison either.
 
Bill1988 said:
Some of the respondents here seem to think if someone asks a question they are being lazy. Well if that were the case, they wouldn't be applying to Med school would they? And no one knows everything. If that were so, they wouldn't need to apply and go to Med school in the first place. It seems some need to just get over themselves. There is much to learn.
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Agreed, and well said!
 
It’s so like premeds to try and make a very subjective process objective.


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21Rush12 said:
I don’t think the data collected in this way has any real validity. The story of the 3.2/505 ORM who gets into his top choice school is given the same, if not more, weight and emphasis on threads like this one. These threads have a place for motivation and encouragement, but they tend to stray into the unrealistic/misleading category more often than not.
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Disagree. I looked at WAMC all the time as a young pre-med to get an idea of what type of hours I needed, where people commonly fell short, and what ECs really stood out as strong. I tried to emulate strong applicants in some areas, and I tried to avoid the pitfalls I commonly saw.

The thread that OP has created, though, is better than this because we get to see the results of application cycles; not only the creation of school lists. The "data" we collect here is qualitative, and does have some validity for those working on their applications for upcoming cycles. Those who are reading this and plan to apply in the future: take everything with a grain of salt (especially n=1 miracle success stories) and look at where people have made mistakes and wasted time & money (i.e. my experience in applying heavy OOS as a TX resident).
 
Isn’t this literally what MDApps was created for.... You should just be encouraging everyone to make an MDApps profile. There’s years and years of data on there.
 
asrw77 said:
Isn’t this literally what MDApps was created for.... You should just be encouraging everyone to make an MDApps profile. There’s years and years of data on there.
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People have definitely slowed down their use of the website. Profiles there are hit or miss. There are a few good profiles. Others who do have complete profiles have very vague EC's, old MCAT scores, or their acceptances/rejections are not up-to-date.

I would definitely like to see more people active on that site!
 
asrw77 said:
Isn’t this literally what MDApps was created for.... You should just be encouraging everyone to make an MDApps profile. There’s years and years of data on there.
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For certain schools, and not for others. Either way, as Carmiche also says, the use of that website appears to have dropped off (at least somewhat). Not to mention that in my opinion, and experience, it is not very user friendly. I'm not trying to be unappreciative of the SDN people for maintaining the site (far from it), but features could most certainly be added to make it easier to use. I have an account myself there, and I have updated my information as it has changed. However, when looking at some schools there might be, for example, one person from last application cycle, and then a ton of people from 5 or more application cycles back. That might give good historical data for those cycles, but it doesn't do a lot to give data about more recent cycles (and certainly not the current one). Again, especially at certain schools.

Also, MDApplicants has the "University of South Carolina" listed as one school. However, there are actually two medical schools in South Carolina that begin with "University of South Carolina": Columbia and Greenville. Both of these schools have separate applications, admissions committees, administration, etc. In other words, they aren't just two campuses of the same school. But on MDApplicants you can only list "University of South Carolina", and you can only do it once. So, students who applied to Greenville will use this same entry as will those who applied to Columbia, but users of MDApplicants won't know which school the data is referring to unless, like me, the applicant specific lists additional information in their entry. Then, again like me, you have applicants who applied to both, but don't have the same outcome at each: I was rejected at USC-Columbia, but am still under consideration, at present, at USC-Greenville. There are probably other examples of this too that I am just not personally aware of.

So, in my opinion, it does serve a purpose, but it also has its limitations. Furthermore, adding a thread like this in no way diminishes from that site (nor does it mean that a student can only use one or the other, they can use both).
 
Bill1988 said:
hmmmm... I don't think anyone expects (or is asking for) admittance to med school on this site. I do think folks are looking for information. One can draw conclusions based on the information (with a grain of salt) provided. Will an MCAT of xyz guarantee admittance? Who knows. Will a gazillion hours of service guarantee admittance? Not if you're a jerk during your interview.
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Personally, I don't believe the opposition to a list like this really has anything to do with some altruistic concern that a poor performing student, or less than ideal applicant, will see some one-off acceptance (based on something very specific to that applicant), and therefore believe they have a guaranteed acceptance at their fingertips (even though some opposed to this list on here seem to suggest that is there motives - not all, but some). I think people are a lot more realistic than that (not to mention there are literally hundreds, probably thousands, of posts on SDN already telling people with less than ideal backgrounds how hard it will be for them to get in).

Rather, I believe the opposition to this list (from some) has more to do with a personally held concern that, gasp, they will see on a list like this that someone got in to the school they were also accepted at with stats that are way below their own. Even though this shouldn't be the case, they will somehow see this as some sort of blow against their character, abilities, background, etc. In other words, I think there is a level of insecurity behind some oppositions to a list like this (whether the person realizes this about themselves or not).

Just my opinion, of course, but as an older applicant with years of experience in the world I have seen this same type of opposition pop up to all sorts of things (I think it's sad really).
 
OlderGeorgiaPreMed said:
For certain schools, and not for others. Either way, as Carmiche also says, the use of that website appears to have dropped off (at least somewhat). Not to mention that in my opinion, and experience, it is not very user friendly. I'm not trying to be unappreciative of the SDN people for maintaining the site (far from it), but features could most certainly be added to make it easier to use. I have an account myself there, and I have updated my information as it has changed. However, when looking at some schools there might be, for example, one person from last application cycle, and then a ton of people from 5 or more application cycles back. That might give good historical data for those cycles, but it doesn't do a lot to give data about more recent cycles (and certainly not the current one). Again, especially at certain schools.

Also, MDApplicants has the "University of South Carolina" listed as one school. However, there are actually two medical schools in South Carolina that begin with "University of South Carolina": Columbia and Greenville. Both of these schools have separate applications, admissions committees, administration, etc. In other words, they aren't just two campuses of the same school. But on MDApplicants you can only list "University of South Carolina", and you can only do it once. So, students who applied to Greenville will use this same entry as will those who applied to Columbia, but users of MDApplicants won't know which school the data is referring to unless, like me, the applicant specific lists additional information in their entry. Then, again like me, you have applicants who applied to both, but don't have the same outcome at each: I was rejected at USC-Columbia, but am still under consideration, at present, at USC-Greenville. There are probably other examples of this too that I am just not personally aware of.

So, in my opinion, it does serve a purpose, but it also has its limitations. Furthermore, adding a thread like this in no way diminishes from that site (nor does it mean that a student can only use one or the other, they can use both).
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Sure nothing is stopping people from posting their stats/app cycle here. I’m just saying that there’s no need to re-invent the wheel, as there is literally a website designed for this purpose with thousands of profiles and datapoints on it. We should just be encouraging more applicants to use it as opposed to having people sift through posts on a thread, many of which might have little relevance to one’s own situation. MDApps allows you to filter by school, MCAT, GPA, who interviewed, who was accepted, etc. Much easier.

I agree that it can be kind of buggy. Your concern about the USC campuses is pretty minor and could be fixed relatively easily. I believe there are a couple administrators to whom concerns/feedback can be forwarded @Winged Scapula @WildWing
 
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asrw77 said:
Sure nothing is stopping people from posting their stats/app cycle here. I’m just saying that there’s no need to invent the wheel, as there is literally a website designed for this purpose with thousands of profiles and datapoints on it. We should just be encouraging more applicants to use it as opposed to having people sift through posts on a thread, many of which might have little relevance to one’s own situation. MDApps allows you to filter by school, MCAT, GPA, who interviewed, who was accepted, etc. Much easier.

I agree that it can be kind of buggy. Your concern about the USC campuses is pretty minor and could be fixed relatively easily. I believe there are a couple administrators to whom concerns/feedback can be forwarded @Winged Scapula @WildWing
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I certainly agree that more people should be using MDApplicants which would make the data more useful there. I was just saying I don't see there being an issue with using both (and, based at least on my limited experience with human behavior, I think even if MDApplicants had information on 100% of all applicants every cycle people would still search for, and participate in, threads like this - there is just something about interacting with another actual person versus just searching through a site with a lot of profiles, I think). I was also pointing out some limitations to the site.

I also appreciate the information on who to contact about the issue with USC. I'll be sure to reach out to them. 🙂
 
Applied last cycle and am a current MS1 at Hofstra!
1. 3.72, 3.76, ORM
2. 516 (132, 124, 132, 128)
3. Traditional ECs (research, clinical volunteering, etc.)- no pubs
4. 31 MD (all NY schools and the rest were scattered in the Northeast, and then Mayo)
5. Hofstra, Buffalo, Netter
6. Traditional
7. NY
 
Winged Scapula said:
We’re always happy to help things run more smoothly for our users. If there are errors or inefficiencies on any part, including MDApps, please either send a Help Desk ticket or post in the Suggestions and Feedback forum so our IT gurus can get to it!
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Will do.
 
kbac13 said:
Applied last cycle and am a current MS1 at Hofstra!
1. 3.72, 3.76, ORM
2. 516 (132, 124, 132, 128)
3. Traditional ECs (research, clinical volunteering, etc.)- no pubs
4. 31 MD (all NY schools and the rest were scattered in the Northeast, and then Mayo)
5. Hofstra, Buffalo, Netter
6. Traditional
7. NY
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How many IIs did you get, if you don't mind me asking? (Might be in ur sig but I can't see that on mobile.)
 
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