MD/MBA programs?

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zoeblogrow said:
Are these generally really hard to get into? Would anyone happen to know where to find admission stats, etc.?

thanks in advance~
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In most programs you have to be competitive in both the MBA and the MD portion. So the stats aren't usually any lower/easier. Sometimes schools will have spots set aside for the dual track degrees, but you still have to be accepted to both the MD school and the MBA school.
 
I've spoken to people in MD/MBA programs who don't believe they would have gotten into MD alone at that school. They have slots set aside, and they often have many fewer applicants to them. That said, you do need an ostensible reason for wanting an MBA.
 
I've spoken to people in MD/MBA programs who don't believe they would have gotten into MD alone at that school. They have slots set aside, and they often have many fewer applicants to them. That said, you do need an ostensible reason for wanting an MBA.
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I would think about looking this one up before I used it again.
 
Mr. Belding said:
I would think about looking this one up before I used it again.
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What? I meant exactly that. He needs to be able to tell them why he would want an MBA. It doesn't need to be the real reason he wants an MBA,which I assume is to make a lot of money. My point was that it may in fact be easier to get in to an MD/MBA program than MD alone, but you need to show them a reason you want it. Don't challenge me on my Latin derivations...
 
BigRedder said:
What? I meant exactly that. He needs to be able to tell them why he would want an MBA. It doesn't need to be the real reason he wants an MBA,which I assume is to make a lot of money. My point was that it may in fact be easier to get in to an MD/MBA program than MD alone, but you need to show them a reason you want it. Don't challenge me on my Latin derivations...
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Why does it have to be ostensible? I would assume that the OP wants an MBA for a reason. Tell it to 'em.
 
Does anyone know of any 4 year MD/MBA programs? I know most are 5 years long.
 
I think going to Penn and getting and MD/ MBA from Wharton Business school would be awesome 🙂 It's a 5 yr program though, and pretty competitive.

What are the general reasons for wanting an MD/MBA? To go into hospital management and consulting?
 
I think an MD/MBA would simply increase my general knowledge of health care systems overall (MCOs, HMOs, etc.), and would make anyone more knowledgeable and well-rounded- as opposed to someone who takes nothing but science courses, etc...

Is there a point of getting an MD/MBA if someone already has an undergrad degree from Wharton?
 
zoeblogrow said:
I think an MD/MBA would simply increase my general knowledge of health care systems overall (MCOs, HMOs, etc.), and would make anyone more knowledgeable and well-rounded- as opposed to someone who takes nothing but science courses, etc...

Is there a point of getting an MD/MBA if someone already has an undergrad degree from Wharton?
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Unless you plan on starting up a large private practice, or going into hospital administration, you probably don't really need an MBA. If you already have an undergraduate business degree you probably already know enough, but if you want letters after your name to further your career, an MBA may be in order. Remember, the MBA will add significant tuition cost, and will also supplant other electives you may want to take.
 
is it common to do an MD at one school and do an MBA at a different school by taking time off after the 3rd year?
 
BigRedder said:
I've spoken to people in MD/MBA programs who don't believe they would have gotten into MD alone at that school. They have slots set aside, and they often have many fewer applicants to them. That said, you do need an ostensible reason for wanting an MBA.
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With the exception of Texas Tech and Tufts since those are 4 year programs, I don't know of any other school that has specific spots ala MD/PhD saved for MD/MBA students.

I think for most people its the other way around in that the med school helped them into the business school. Its not that one is harder to get into than the other, its that the things you do to be an awesome pre-med and to be a top MBA candidate are fairly different.
 
Auron said:
Does anyone know of any 4 year MD/MBA programs? I know most are 5 years long.
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Texas Tech

That being said, it is usually easier to just get your MBA in some executive MBA program once you are already a physician, because then you don't have the burden of the cost of business school and the cost of medical school. Plus, by the point, you will know if you really could use that MBA or not.
 
I just looked up the Tufts MD/MBA program, and it says that MBA candidates are considered after they are accepted into the MD Program. So it really poses no admissions advantage.
 
I have heard so much that the place where you get your MBA is more important than the actual degree. I am assuming that is true given that graduates from top programs have starting salaries three or more times as high as local state schools.

Anyways, even though it is a lower tier business school, FAU allows med students from Miami Miller/FAU to enroll in the MBA program without taking the GMAT, and you are exempt from most of the pre-reqs except for a few which can be taken with the MBA program.

http://med.fau.edu/biomedical/ummsm_rmc/meded/pdfs/MBA_dual.pdf
 
related question--if you don't get into the MD/MBA program, are you still considered for just the MD at that school? or are you automatically rejected from consideration from the regular program?
 
I've heard conflicting things from different people. HMS/HBS said that a lot of people wait until they get in to the med school to apply, partially because HBS is so selective. But someone else said in private that you need to have someone vouch for you to be able to get in.

Chicago/Booth, Yale/Yale SOM, Stanford etc. all say that you apply after getting into the med school. Silverman (Yale Med) in particular says that this works better for the business schools because they get the diversity of having the healthcare perspective while knowing that they're still recruiting highly competitive candidates.
 
ponyo said:
I've heard conflicting things from different people. HMS/HBS said that a lot of people wait until they get in to the med school to apply, partially because HBS is so selective. But someone else said in private that you need to have someone vouch for you to be able to get in.

Chicago/Booth, Yale/Yale SOM, Stanford etc. all say that you apply after getting into the med school. Silverman (Yale Med) in particular says that this works better for the business schools because they get the diversity of having the healthcare perspective while knowing that they're still recruiting highly competitive candidates.
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Thanks! But I was asking more for the programs that you apply to the dual program while applying to that medical school--if you or anyone else know?
 
There are definitely some. HBS/HMS has that option but again it would be extremely difficult. NYU/Stern also has that option. Not totally sure about this but I think Columbia might as well? But almost every admin I've talked to said that you should apply after getting into med, because usually coming from a premed background it's going to be a lot easier getting into the med schools for these universities than the business schools, unless you're coming from firms that have a proven track record for sending people to top MBA programs (e.g. firms where more than 1/2 the MBA applicants end up at top 5 or top 10).

I don't know about the lower tier programs, although it doesn't seem all that profitable to spend so much effort and money on those, since MBAs seem to be way more useful for their prestige/networking opportunities.
 
DennisdaMenace said:
Holy cow 😱 He's a professor at both USC AND Caltech. Plus, he earned all of his graduate degrees at top-notch schools.

Where did you find this guy?
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It came up on another thread when we were talking about how doctors (generally) just put "Santorum Surge, MD" on their white coats, if they even wear a white coat. That's only interesting because the NPs and even just regular nurses go crazy with their credentialing...

But yeah this guy is totally swagged out... University of Michigan, Pritzker, UCSF, Stanford, Harvard, USC-Marshall, Cambridge, Oxford, Penn-Wharton
 
MD is 10x harder to get into then MBA.

If you can get into MD, it's trivial to get into MD/MBA.

My school would pay for my MBA for free.
 
ponyo said:
There are definitely some. HBS/HMS has that option but again it would be extremely difficult. NYU/Stern also has that option. Not totally sure about this but I think Columbia might as well? But almost every admin I've talked to said that you should apply after getting into med, because usually coming from a premed background it's going to be a lot easier getting into the med schools for these universities than the business schools, unless you're coming from firms that have a proven track record for sending people to top MBA programs (e.g. firms where more than 1/2 the MBA applicants end up at top 5 or top 10).

I don't know about the lower tier programs, although it doesn't seem all that profitable to spend so much effort and money on those, since MBAs seem to be way more useful for their prestige/networking opportunities.
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Unless you are aiming to go into consulting, the purpose of the MBA is either to manage a hospital or your own group/practice, at which point, the fact that you have MD will most likely negate the quality of your MBA
 
Brachyury said:
Unless you are aiming to go into consulting, the purpose of the MBA is either to manage a hospital or your own group/practice, at which point, the fact that you have MD will most likely negate the quality of your MBA
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I agree with this actually, although some people (like Udelsman, Chief of Surgery at Yale) seem to think that the business mentality is really key to successfully running your own department. I think it really depends on your own background and abilities. If you are already coming from a prestigious network, have managing experience, etc., the extra MBA is probably not necessary.

And I absolutely cannot wrap my mind around the idea of going to MD already knowing that you want to go into consulting afterwards. It seems like the worst idea ever haha.
 
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