MD (or DO in my case)/PhD

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So I never considered (MD/DO)/PhD before, but I really love academia, still totally rave about the research job I used to have to anyone who will listen (I skipped seeing Minus the Bear to come in on a Saturday to sit in on focus groups and it was a wonderful experience!), and just generally tend to engage in nerdiness and geekery at every opportunity. So when I read that my top choice has DO/PhD and DO/Masters programs I started seriously considering it. However, I'm a little bit non-trad (been out of college a couple of years, but I'm only 23) and kind of want to get to full doctor-hood as not-slowly as possible. The overachiever in me would love more letters after my name (and an area of legitimate "expertise"), though.

Thoughts on my musings?
 
So I never considered (MD/DO)/PhD before, but I really love academia, still totally rave about the research job I used to have to anyone who will listen (I skipped seeing Minus the Bear to come in on a Saturday to sit in on focus groups and it was a wonderful experience!), and just generally tend to engage in nerdiness and geekery at every opportunity. So when I read that my top choice has DO/PhD and DO/Masters programs I started seriously considering it. However, I'm a little bit non-trad (been out of college a couple of years, but I'm only 23) and kind of want to get to full doctor-hood as not-slowly as possible. The overachiever in me would love more letters after my name (and an area of legitimate "expertise"), though.

Thoughts on my musings?

Lots of opportunity to do research with just a DO. Unless you have a specific goal in mind for DO/PhD, I say go with just DO.

And I would say that a M.S. is pretty useless with your D.O. (unless it was a MPH or a MBS).
 
So I never considered (MD/DO)/PhD before, but I really love academia, still totally rave about the research job I used to have to anyone who will listen (I skipped seeing Minus the Bear to come in on a Saturday to sit in on focus groups and it was a wonderful experience!), and just generally tend to engage in nerdiness and geekery at every opportunity. So when I read that my top choice has DO/PhD and DO/Masters programs I started seriously considering it. However, I'm a little bit non-trad (been out of college a couple of years, but I'm only 23) and kind of want to get to full doctor-hood as not-slowly as possible. The overachiever in me would love more letters after my name (and an area of legitimate "expertise"), though.

Thoughts on my musings?

The bolded is a good reason to go for the dual degree; the italicized is not. If you're going to do the dual degree, my personal opinion is that you have to see the 3(+) year PhD commitment not as a burden but as an opportunity to get some truly meaningful research done (as I'm sure you know, trying to get any meaningful research done in, say, one year is hopeless, because invariably you spend half the time trying to figure out why stuff isn't working). You've got to look forward to those three years as something that you will enjoy while you're doing it, because frankly no matter what the stipend may be while you're in school that helps you avoid debt, you're going to wind up behind in terms of salary and net earnings pretty much no matter what if you do go for the dual degree.

Honestly, you can do research as a doctor (and therefore still have an area of expertise) without the PhD, though having a PhD may help you get funding. MD/PhD is something I strongly considered but ultimately I decided just wasn't for me. Good luck deciding.
 
One of my interviewers this year was an MD/PhD who was very actively involved in research. I asked him about the dual degree and how it has helped him and he verbatim told me, "Don't do it." He said that he could have done everything he has done in his career with just a MD, and would be making MORE. He said that a couple of the jobs he has had he has made less because he had the PhD.

So, obviously this is anecdotal, and just one persons experience, but I still thought I'd share it. He was a very nice guy, and loved what he did, and was very honest about it. Hope it helps!
 
Rather than just applying to one DO school, I would definitely consider going for an MSTP or MD/PhD spot at any allo schools. I know you love that one school, but if academia is your goal you might be better served by an MSTP (with a full ride and stipend) rather than trying to tack on a PhD later.
 
Rather than just applying to one DO school, I would definitely consider going for an MSTP or MD/PhD spot at any allo schools. I know you love that one school, but if academia is your goal you might be better served by an MSTP (with a full ride and stipend) rather than trying to tack on a PhD later.

I agree with this.

Academic medicine/research is often more concerned with prestige so you might do better with and MD/PhD program.
 
One of my interviewers this year was an MD/PhD who was very actively involved in research. I asked him about the dual degree and how it has helped him and he verbatim told me, "Don't do it." He said that he could have done everything he has done in his career with just a MD, and would be making MORE. He said that a couple of the jobs he has had he has made less because he had the PhD.

So, obviously this is anecdotal, and just one persons experience, but I still thought I'd share it. He was a very nice guy, and loved what he did, and was very honest about it. Hope it helps!

Nice avatar.
 
Rather than just applying to one DO school, I would definitely consider going for an MSTP or MD/PhD spot at any allo schools. I know you love that one school, but if academia is your goal you might be better served by an MSTP (with a full ride and stipend) rather than trying to tack on a PhD later.

Academia's not really my goal, clinical practice is. Academia is just sort of like an ex that I still have feelings for and keep considering getting together with.
 
Academia's not really my goal, clinical practice is. Academia is just sort of like an ex that I still have feelings for and keep considering getting together with.

oh, then don't do a PhD.

are you really only applying to one school? why???
 
Academia is just sort of like an ex that I still have feelings for and keep considering getting together with.

Uh-oh. I thought you mentioned in another post that you were married. Anyway, guess I should mind my own business.
 
Academia's not really my goal, clinical practice is. Academia is just sort of like an ex that I still have feelings for and keep considering getting together with.
You will have plenty of opportunities as a DO clinician to pursue research if you choose.
 
It is a very tough decision, IMO. It took me nearly a year of back and forth to acutally accept that I am applying MD/Ph.D. My reason was that I want to be in academia; be at the fore front of research. I love the enviornment; the geeks, the nerds, the asocial genuises. I want to be smack in the middle of all of them (that makes me one of them)!
BUt I also feel that if you are passionate about research, you will find a way to get into research even with plain MD. So that is what complicated things for me: whether to get a "reserach heavy" MD or MD/Ph.D. By research heavy I mean taking 1-2 year off during Med school to do reserach.
 
Uh-oh. I thought you mentioned in another post that you were married. Anyway, guess I should mind my own business.

My husband tolerates my philandering as long as it's confined to intangible entities.
 
oh, then don't do a PhD.

are you really only applying to one school? why???

There's pretty much a whole thread about it already. PM me if you really care.
 
Academia's not really my goal, clinical practice is. Academia is just sort of like an ex that I still have feelings for and keep considering getting together with.

Then don't get a PhD.
It sounds like you might not have the background for a successful PhD application if you're 23 and all of your research experience is in your past.
Although most schools handle the PhD and DO or MD application separately, osteopathic schools are generally more interested in producing caregivers and the school you want to attend is particularly committed to increasing the # of caregivers in the state. Since you have your heart set on one school, I would find it foolish to present yourself as someone who might possibly take an entire medical education and then just dive into bench research.

I know two top physician researchers in my field and neither has a PhD, just an M.D.. If you are really driven to do research, you don't need the PhD. It just makes school protracted.

If you need further education in a certain field to prepare yourself for doing research in your career, then it would make more sense to pursue a relevant Masters degree or possibly just take the necessary courses piecemeal.

A PhD thesis is a huge endeavor for someone who doesn't feel compelled to research a certain topic...you don't sound like you feel that. Some schools require you to pay tuition to get the Masters if you drop out of a PhD program before completing it...so you could get part way through and get nothing for your work.

If the type of research you want to do is CLINICAL RESEARCH, you absolutely don't need the PhD--most physician investigators are only physicians. (If you want to do physician initiated protocols, you might still find it helpful to get a Masters to expose you to biostatistics, principles of trial design, etc.)
 
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