MD to Vet?

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WildlifeSaver said:
Thats what I am talking about presence is given to an in state person for vet med school. Medical school really isn't like that much, is it?
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It depends on the school the state, states like Texas and Nebraska give aprox. 90% to instate residenets. While other states like Iowa don't really give any prefence to residents. Of course we are only talking about state schools here, private schools are different.
 
bunnyslippers said:
Totally unnecessary and wrong, OVC is an amazing school. QUOTE]


This may be true, but you are still choosing to leave the country to go to another school. Most people don't leave the country to go to another school unless they can't get into a school in the states. Atleast that is how it works for medical school, I would assume that would also be true for vet school. People don't choose to go to Ross over CSU...
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So I would prob have a higher chance of getting into a medical school like UMDNJ since I am a NJ resident, right?
 
brandnewsaves said:
bunnyslippers said:
Totally unnecessary and wrong, OVC is an amazing school. QUOTE]


This may be true, but you are still choosing to leave the country to go to another school. Most people don't leave the country to go to another school unless they can't get into a school in the states. Atleast that is how it works for medical school, I would assume that would also be true for vet school. People don't choose to go to Ross over CSU...
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Who left the country? I am a Canadian studying veterinary medicine in Canada. Canada has only 4 veterinary colleges, making it much more competitive to gain admittance. If you aren't accepted to a veterinary college in the United States, you have almost zero chance of being accepted to a veterinary college in Canada. Not really comparable to Ross.
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If you've ever taken a pet to the vet, you know it costs an arm and a leg.
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I'm surprised that a med student would fall into this line of thought too... "I pay way more money for vet bills than I do for my own medical care!" Less than 5% of pets in the U.S. are insured, so vets have to deal less with insurance companies not paying out and more with clients skimping out on bills, trying to barter with you, or saying that if you don't treat their pets for free then you must not really love animals.

little to no malpractice insurance
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Malpractice insurance is indeed important in vet med, and becoming moreso as pets are treated more like family. We also have to worry about being the one that misses the diagnosis of the zoonotic disease, or not catching Foot and Mouth disease during a cattle health inspection. Not to mention vets that work on multi-million dollar racehorses and the like... huge liability concerns there.

wouldn't it be nice if we as biped Docs could hold pt's until they pay
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We are not allowed to do that either... Not that it doesn't happen sometimes, but it's illegal to hold someone's property hostage, even if they haven't paid you for services rendered.

Anyway, we do have a handful of former MDs/med students at my school, including one guy that went to med school under the pressure of his parents, became a successful practitioner, then quit to go back to vet school and will graduate with no student loans since he paid his full tuition with money he got from being an MD. The jist I get from them is that med school is more intensive detail-wise, while vet school covers a much wider breadth (companion animals, food animals, performance animals, public health, etc etc). Both are hard and take lots of work and dedication.

One perk of being a vet student versus a med student is that I get to do my first surgery next week, as a second year 🙂 Wee!
 
StealthDog said:
One perk of being a vet student versus a med student is that I get to do my first surgery next week, as a second year 🙂 Wee!
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I dissected a cat in my high school Biology II class. I wasn't traumatized then, because I didn't have feelings towards animals, but I think it would bother me now. I don't even think I could do the surgery if I was in your position.
I used to think that animals were replaceable until I got a few pets of my own. Now I realize that it is their personalities that make them unique and valuable.
Good luck with the surgery! :luck: Hopefully it's just a routine surgery and everything goes well.
 
StealthDog said:
I'm surprised that a med student would fall into this line of thought too... "I pay way more money for vet bills than I do for my own medical care!" Less than 5% of pets in the U.S. are insured, so vets have to deal less with insurance companies not paying out and more with clients skimping out on bills, trying to barter with you, or saying that if you don't treat their pets for free then you must not really love animals.



Malpractice insurance is indeed important in vet med, and becoming moreso as pets are treated more like family. We also have to worry about being the one that misses the diagnosis of the zoonotic disease, or not catching Foot and Mouth disease during a cattle health inspection. Not to mention vets that work on multi-million dollar racehorses and the like... huge liability concerns there.



We are not allowed to do that either... Not that it doesn't happen sometimes, but it's illegal to hold someone's property hostage, even if they haven't paid you for services rendered.

Anyway, we do have a handful of former MDs/med students at my school, including one guy that went to med school under the pressure of his parents, became a successful practitioner, then quit to go back to vet school and will graduate with no student loans since he paid his full tuition with money he got from being an MD. The jist I get from them is that med school is more intensive detail-wise, while vet school covers a much wider breadth (companion animals, food animals, performance animals, public health, etc etc). Both are hard and take lots of work and dedication.

One perk of being a vet student versus a med student is that I get to do my first surgery next week, as a second year 🙂 Wee!
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Many people don't think about all those things you mentioned, good points.😉
 
Good luck with the surgery! Hopefully it's just a routine surgery and everything goes well.
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All went well! My patient is now spayed and needs a home... any takers? She was brought to the shelter by someone who saw her get thrown out of a van. Then, her coat was so matted that the shelter had to shave her nearly bald. She needs some love!

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WildlifeSaver said:
brandnewsaves said:
Mr. Freeze said:
If the state in which you are a resident has a vet school, I'm fairly certain you can't go anywhere else.



That is completely true and I know because I wanted to be a vet ever since and know a lot of information and even got school catalogs and talked to administration about requirements and anything about the school.I know more about the practice from almost any angle of vet school then I do humans. I have only been thinking about MD school seriously for a year now. You want to know some freaked out true stats? Well I will tell you that Cornell for instance has a contract with NJ and only admits 3 students. 53 positions are held for NY residents and only 34 out of state students. Some vet schools admits a little bit more people, but its usually 90 or so at most. University has a similar admittance with 110 seats max. And those who apply to Cornell receives many applications which much out weigh the seats. Like I think wow do I really have a chance? I think I rather med school, it seems like there is more hope in the profession....
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Just to let you know, as an NJ resident who will be attending Cornell's College of Veterinary Medicine next fall I wanted to suggest that you double check the status of NJ's vet school contracts before applying. Contracts no longer exist for Cornell, Penn or several other schools and the ones that still remain have been cut in half and may not be renewed in the future.
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StealthDog said:
All went well! My patient is now spayed and needs a home... any takers? She was brought to the shelter by someone who saw her get thrown out of a van. Then, her coat was so matted that the shelter had to shave her nearly bald. She needs some love!

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She looks like a smaller dog. Smaller dogs are easier for the majority of people to take care of, so I'm sure someone will be interested. 👍

I really miss having a family dog. 🙁 I have kitties now though.

Maybe you could set up an online profile for the dog and email the link to people who might be interested... maybe something similar to this. You could even post videos of the dog on her profile (the video on this link is soooo cute! and note the status of "Adopted" 😀).

GOOD LUCK! :luck:
 
Honestly I just don't know if the animals are worth saving for the amount of resources society have to invest in them. Actually I know. Someone's emotional attachment to an animal is not worth the cost of surgery. Tell them to buy a new dog.
 
littlealex said:
Honestly I just don't know if the animals are worth saving for the amount of resources society have to invest in them. Actually I know. Someone's emotional attachment to an animal is not worth the cost of surgery. Tell them to buy a new dog.
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:laugh: You can't be serious. I'm gonna go ahead and guess that you have either never had a family pet or you're just trying to get the animal-lovers in this thread fired up.
 
Honestly I just don't know if the animals are worth saving for the amount of resources society have to invest in them.

Yeah, I mean seriously, who needs to bother doing health checks, and vaccinations on the beef stocker operations..BSE? Clostridia? E coli? No big deal. Who needs to bother with swine farming, those pigs don't need their erysipelas vaccines, lepto, don't need to be treated or checked for pasteurella, mycoplasma...those could never get into the human food chain, no way...
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cupolovet said:
WildlifeSaver said:
brandnewsaves said:
Just to let you know, as an NJ resident who will be attending Cornell's College of Veterinary Medicine next fall I wanted to suggest that you double check the status of NJ's vet school contracts before applying. Contracts no longer exist for Cornell, Penn or several other schools and the ones that still remain have been cut in half and may not be renewed in the future.
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😱Are you serious?? Maybe you are aren't you? I have not checked out the lasted update on the admissions sheets for awhile. Only have for the curriculum changes if any. Cornell added biochem 1&2 for sure a few years ago and now its a def pre-req or they would prob toss your app. right out the window. When did this change?
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The decision to cut the contracts has actually very little to do with the vet schools themselves. Gov. Corzine slashed funding for those contract seats, and that decision ultimately forced schools like Cornell and a few others to decide that it is no longer cost effective to hold those seats. I wish I were kidding but I am not. Not only has NJ's decision hampered the ability of many individuals to get into vet school, but tuition is now the out of state sticker as opposed to the in-state number one had to pay if he/she received a contract. The state budget, which will be voted on again this summer will determine if the contracts will return, but no one I know believes that they will return. I asked the director of admissions if there was any plan to give out contract spots for NJ and she said that if NJ would pay for them again Cornell would be more than happy to give them out. Feel free to pm me with any questions about applying from NJ or vet school in general because I know this info is shocking and it upset me greatly when I found out too.
 
cupolovet said:
The decision to cut the contracts has actually very little to do with the vet schools themselves. Gov. Corzine slashed funding for those contract seats, and that decision ultimately forced schools like Cornell and a few others to decide that it is no longer cost effective to hold those seats. I wish I were kidding but I am not. Not only has NJ's decision hampered the ability of many individuals to get into vet school, but tuition is now the out of state sticker as opposed to the in-state number one had to pay if he/she received a contract. The state budget, which will be voted on again this summer will determine if the contracts will return, but no one I know believes that they will return. I asked the director of admissions if there was any plan to give out contract spots for NJ and she said that if NJ would pay for them again Cornell would be more than happy to give them out. Feel free to pm me with any questions about applying from NJ or vet school in general because I know this info is shocking and it upset me greatly when I found out too.
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It is absolutely ridiculous. In my opinion, there wasn't enough contract seats to begin with. I think it was three seats (from Cornell and Penn), right? Those who would even get the seats are probably the best qualified in NJ. New Jersey should get a Vet school now that would be sweet😀. Maybe Rutgers should do it, yeah thats what I am talking about because they are animal oriented!:laugh:

Thanks for being so open that I can pm you anytime, I appreciate it. I think if it came down to really going to veterinary medical school and I didn't get in, I think I would move to PA for a good chance for acceptance to Penn. I am thinking about going to school in Philly to finish my undergrad (Temple, Drexal, university of sciences in Philadelphia), so maybe I will make the transition. If I didn't get in to medical school or veterinary (whichever I decide to apply), I need to do a masters because I want to get a Phd if I go the vet route and to just move forward in general. Would you make drastic decision to relocate just for a chance at a school you really wanted to attend? I mean if you have the competitive grades (science and overall) from schools which I listed and a wide array of experiences that make you pop out on your application, would it be wise to? I think I like Penn, but Cornell has Zoology Phd, which I would go after. Assuming that I got my masters already before applying to Cornell or apply first for DVM/Phd for the hell of it.

That is another question that arises, there aren't many seats to begin with for the dual programs. Some people end up doing them separately, which I don't know much about right now. Do you know anything much about the Phd/DVM/VMD programs difficulty for entrance? I know I have a long way to go because I am in a CC (grades are good and decided to take 6 of my pre-reqs at university) right now and that is also why I am going to most likely need the masters anyway.

So you are still trying to get in? What was your undergrad institution? Thinking about Penn?
 
As I posted above, I will be attending Cornell for vet school in the fall. I am currently a senior at Cornell. I was an extremely strong applicant and chose Cornell over Penn, but I only know of one other person from NJ who was fortunate enough to be able to decide between those two programs. I am sure others had the opportunity but not that many. I agree that holding only three seats seems like too few, but you also have to consider that Cornell only has a class size in the low 80s, so the program is extremely selective in the first place. I would strongly caution against applying for the dual degree programs for "the hell of it." I have several friends in these programs and if you think that getting a contract seat was difficult then you would not believe the kinds of numbers you would need to get a dual degree. There are only 2-3 a year at Cornell and I am fairly certain Penn does not take many more than that as well. If I were you I would worry about getting into a top tier undergrad program since the quality of the program factors into admissions decisions quite heavily for many schools. You may very well end up needing a masters and many people who apply to vet schools have either masters degrees, phDs, or both. Many people move each year to play the residency "game" to help their admissions status. While being a PA resident would help your chances at Penn, I would not for a moment believe that would ultimately make or break your chances of acceptance. You need to decide if veterinary medicine is your dream, and if so then moving is not a big deal. You will also want to apply to more than just Penn and Cornell. You mentioned wanting to get a phD if you go the vet route, what is it that you ultimately are considering? Research? Teaching? Are you sure that you would even benefit from the dvm/vmd degree and would not be fine with just a phD? You may not know the answer to those questions now, but you should definitely be sure before applying to vet school. Generally, applying to both human medicine and veterinary programs at the same time is frowned upon and highly discouraged.
 
cupolovet said:
As I posted above, I will be attending Cornell for vet school in the fall. I am currently a senior at Cornell. I was an extremely strong applicant and chose Cornell over Penn, but I only know of one other person from NJ who was fortunate enough to be able to decide between those two programs. I am sure others had the opportunity but not that many. I agree that holding only three seats seems like too few, but you also have to consider that Cornell only has a class size in the low 80s, so the program is extremely selective in the first place. I would strongly caution against applying for the dual degree programs for "the hell of it." I have several friends in these programs and if you think that getting a contract seat was difficult then you would not believe the kinds of numbers you would need to get a dual degree. There are only 2-3 a year at Cornell and I am fairly certain Penn does not take many more than that as well. If I were you I would worry about getting into a top tier undergrad program since the quality of the program factors into admissions decisions quite heavily for many schools. You may very well end up needing a masters and many people who apply to vet schools have either masters degrees, phDs, or both. Many people move each year to play the residency "game" to help their admissions status. While being a PA resident would help your chances at Penn, I would not for a moment believe that would ultimately make or break your chances of acceptance. You need to decide if veterinary medicine is your dream, and if so then moving is not a big deal. You will also want to apply to more than just Penn and Cornell. You mentioned wanting to get a phD if you go the vet route, what is it that you ultimately are considering? Research? Teaching? Are you sure that you would even benefit from the dvm/vmd degree and would not be fine with just a phD? You may not know the answer to those questions now, but you should definitely be sure before applying to vet school. Generally, applying to both human medicine and veterinary programs at the same time is frowned upon and highly discouraged.
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I always wanted to go the vet path ever since I could remember. I would apply more broadly then those two schools. I would be very interested in Wildlife medicine/conservation/public health (Cornell, Penn, Tufts, Davis, Wisconsin, have the education related to the profession-works with zoos and offer Phds in desired interest area),. Getting the Dual is hard, so I would probably have to also put into consideration applying separately to the programs or do the long way and do masters-Phd-DVM/VMD all separately which would really suck. Cornell is the only one I know who has zoology for PhD.

Some stuff happened to me and some of my loved ones over the years where I opened my eyes for a similar path in medicine, but getting an MD degree work on public health crisis and research? Even though it is hard to get a dual with that as well. Going MD would mean forget conservation efforts which I have deep sincerity for. I am being open minded and I hope to put myself in experiences related to both human and animal experiences and maybe that will clarify my desires. I also know I want to practice medicine in a clinical way and not just research weather it is animals or humans.

Also, it is very difficult path to take, but it is the path I always wanted. I want to do innovative things with medicine and conservation. I try and stay up to date and read stuff about the issues in these/this field. I often look into the type of jobs out there for future wildlife careers in wildlife medicine. The American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians is just one of a few I check out for profession careers that exist and what credentials they entail. I'm basically the person that wants to be involved in the next epidemic (zoonotic diseases), innovative conservation project, ways to better the quality of life of people in underdeveloped countries where a vast of wild species thrive. It is a major problem we are beginning to realize (people overly using animals for food or what not and taking up natural habits for farming thus this being a society problem we are facing...), or the zoologist that is also the wildlife vet. I really don't have a strong great desire to practice in a clinic with peoples pets (I still love people and animals, just not my dream), but I could do it for a while if I had to. Some people that I admire are : John Varty, Will always be my inspiration Steve Irwin, Steve Osofsky, Jeff Corwin, Richard Bodmer

I dream big and I know much about the wildlife stuff because it is my passion. I picked "WildlifeSaver" because I really have done a lot with wild life and saved hundreds of birds as a teen for many years on my own (ex. Wood Ducks). Spent everyday in my woods/stream (which may sound boring to you, but I knew everything around me, I was like a natural little scientist of nature)

"top tier undergrad program" would definitely help and I would apply Masters if I didn't get in. If I think I had enough credentials and strong enough application to apply to vet or med school I should be almost as well qualified for to apply to a MS program at a top school. Is it a matter of where I get in to vet school? Kind of, because not every Vet school is tailored to my interest. I rather not go to a school big on live stock medicine if you know what I mean. I am still applying to Drexal, Temple, University of Science in Philadelphia (which is very strong), Rutgers New Burnswick and whatever else school I think I like and know I will have a good shoot at to go for a masters at a top school and just for my education goals to apply to professional vet med/human med schools. I know you are not an admissions advisor, but what do you think about the schools I am interested in for undergrad and how schools like Cornell or Penn look at them? They are not "top tier", but very respectable schools and are notorious for certain things.

Thanks (I know I am making you read all of this and its your choice to)🙂
 
Stats for Penn's VMD/PhD this year:
35 applied
12 interviewed
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Cornell interviewed 5 and accepted 1; don't know how many applied initially.

(I imagine all 35 were very strong candidates, as some of those who were interviewed but not accepted had amazing stats.) I would not recommend applying to these programs "for the hell of it". They are extremely competitive and require intensive research experience, excellent grades and GRE scores, and a strong interest in veterinary research. The interviews are quite difficult and require you to defend your reasons for wanting to attend a dual degree program. If you don't have extremely solid reasons for applying, as well as an in-depth understanding of your research, you won't get in and will have wasted your time and money, and that of the admissions committee.
 
CanadianGolden said:
Stats for Penn's VMD/PhD this year:
35 applied
12 interviewed
5 accepted

Cornell interviewed 5 and accepted 1; don't know how many applied initially.

(I imagine all 35 were very strong candidates, as some of those who were interviewed but not accepted had amazing stats.) I would not recommend applying to these programs "for the hell of it". They are extremely competitive and require intensive research experience, excellent grades and GRE scores, and a strong interest in veterinary research. The interviews are quite difficult and require you to defend your reasons for wanting to attend a dual degree program. If you don't have extremely solid reasons for applying, as well as an in-depth understanding of your research, you won't get in and will have wasted your time and money, and that of the admissions committee.
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Do you advise applying separately at the same time of VMD/DVM? I heard you can do that. Or maybe just do the Phd route and THEN go to vet school. I want to be a zoologist researcher along with the medical knowledge. I know I can only be the one who can decide this. Just look at the http://www.aawv.net/jobs.html#jobs and what the jobs are.
 
I doubt you can apply to the PhD and VMD separately at Penn or Cornell--I mean, you could, but you would have to decline one. The typical path to do vet/PhD separately is to go to vet school, finish your VMD/DVM and then apply to and attend a PhD program (not PhD first and then vet). If you feel you're qualified, and definitely want to do both degrees, then a combined program is a good idea. Just be aware that they're very hardcore and intense programs.
 
I guess a bigger question would be what the OP (likely not still around) thought they'd be avoiding by going into vet med. It ain't like you don't have to deal with people anymore; I've never seen a dog take themselves to the clinic.
 
Sometimes I get tired of med school and wonder what it will be like to switch to veterinary school. Anyone else ever thought or done this?

One thing that I find appealing about veterinary medicine is that most veterinarians do major surgeries with anesthesia on a daily basis (examples: spays, GI, ortho, etc.). At one small-animal clinic I know of, the vets spend mid-mornings doing surgeries and afternoons in appointments for general checkups, etc. Vets get to do major procedures, but at the same time, they get to maintain long-term relationships with their clients. In this regard, they have a lot of variety in their daily work. Except for a few specialty referrals, *one vet* is the client's doctor, from beginning to end.

People in this thread have described veterinary medicine as similar to general family practice. You have to remember that the vet clinic is also the *hospital*. The animals undergo anesthesia, surgery, recovery, and treatment, often staying at the clinic overnight. Veterinarians are more than general practitioners - they are surgeons and hospitalists too!
 
Regarding euthanasia, I've mainly only seen it used where terminal disease or chronic pain were at issue. In my experience, I don't recall a single case where euthanasia was used on a young, healthy animal. While I'm sure it does occur, it wasn't the norm in my area.

Yes - animal abuse occurs. But so does child abuse. Humans are also known to be neglectful of their own care (or their child's care) when it comes to medical matters! Both physicians and vets have to deal with these issues.
 
I forgot to mention: Small-animal-clinic veterinarians do cesarean sections and autopsies too (autopsies are not very often requested - but they do occur). Veterinarians really oversee their patient's care from beginning to end. It's a lot different than human medicine in that respect. There is not nearly as much passing-off of the patient from one provider to the next.
 
CanadianGolden said:
I doubt you can apply to the PhD and VMD separately at Penn or Cornell--I mean, you could, but you would have to decline one. The typical path to do vet/PhD separately is to go to vet school, finish your VMD/DVM and then apply to and attend a PhD program (not PhD first and then vet). If you feel you're qualified, and definitely want to do both degrees, then a combined program is a good idea. Just be aware that they're very hardcore and intense programs.
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Why wouldn't you do the Phd first instead of the Vet degree first? Is this because what you want is questionable to admissions? The question that arises if I go vet route and lets say I am not accept to any of the schools of my choice (the ones where they are associated with wildlife medicine) and accepted some where else, but at the same time I had a back up plan and applied for a masters as well. I got the masters acceptance and the vet school which isn't zoological medicine oriented, what would you do? Would you take the masters and say I will try again to get into the school which is my true desire..?
 
WildlifeSaver said:
Why wouldn't you do the Phd first instead of the Vet degree first? Is this because what you want is questionable to admissions? The question that arises if I go vet route and lets say I am not accept to any of the schools of my choice (the ones where they are associated with wildlife medicine) and accepted some where else, but at the same time I had a back up plan and applied for a masters as well. I got the masters acceptance and the vet school which isn't zoological medicine oriented, what would you do? Would you take the masters and say I will try again to get into the school which is my true desire..?
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It's simply an easier path. You can do post-doc type stuff for your vet degree as part of your PhD. Otherwise you'd have to do it separately after the vet degree instead of integrating it with your PhD work. Personally I would recommend doing vet first. In what cycle are you applying? Do you have significant research experience already?
 
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I forgot to mention: Small-animal-clinic veterinarians do cesarean sections and autopsies too (autopsies are not very often requested - but they do occur). Veterinarians really oversee their patient's care from beginning to end. It's a lot different than human medicine in that respect. There is not nearly as much passing-off of the patient from one provider to the next.
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All right...this is not directed toward you specifically, but in general, and this is the most recent case of it. It's a NECROPSY, people, a NECROPSY. An AUTOPSY is on your OWN species, thus, "auto" (own, self). A dog can perform an autopsy on a dog. A human can perform an autopsy on a human. A human can only perform a NECROPSY on a dog! (I even saw this glaring error in a TEXTBOOK once. I may write the authors.)

Okay, rant over. Thank you.
 
I will try again to get into the school which is my true desire..?
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I wouldn't ever apply to a vet school that I have no intention of attending. Unless you have some very compelling reason to wait a year (serious medical problems, etc), vet schools look very poorly on people who reapply after having been offered a seat somewhere. It really makes it look like you aren't that dedicated to the profession (whether or not that's the case).

I'd opt for applying to only those schools that you're interested in.
 
StealthDog said:
I wouldn't ever apply to a vet school that I have no intention of attending. Unless you have some very compelling reason to wait a year (serious medical problems, etc), vet schools look very poorly on people who reapply after having been offered a seat somewhere. It really makes it look like you aren't that dedicated to the profession (whether or not that's the case).

I'd opt for applying to only those schools that you're interested in.
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I am only really interested in 3 mainly (Penn, Cornell, Wisconsin tops then like 3 others, but not strongly for them Davis, tufts, Colorado) and that is really it. Do you think this list is way too small for someone who wants to be a vet? Like how many did you apply to?? I am going for the schools which has the best interest for me. Two out of my top 3 have residency zoological programs (have to have the DVM first-Cornell and Wisconsin) and also work closely with zoos. I would hate to go to a school that is focused on live stock animals or something (i.e. North Carolina)..
 
CanadianGolden said:
It's simply an easier path. You can do post-doc type stuff for your vet degree as part of your PhD. Otherwise you'd have to do it separately after the vet degree instead of integrating it with your PhD work. Personally I would recommend doing vet first. In what cycle are you applying? Do you have significant research experience already?
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Have not done significant research YET, but will when I transfer schools. I guess in a way it does really make sense to go DVM first. I could also do my specialty in zoological medicine also and get certified also. You know only 42 people in the US have that? Pretty crazy stats (got this info from the opportunities in veterinary medicine careers by Robert E. Swope) don't you think? There are 20 specialties which one could go for. Pathology and Internal medicine are the highest people go into. Preventive medicine looks neat because that includes epidemiology studies.
 
CanadianGolden said:
All right...this is not directed toward you specifically, but in general, and this is the most recent case of it. It's a NECROPSY, people, a NECROPSY. An AUTOPSY is on your OWN species, thus, "auto" (own, self). A dog can perform an autopsy on a dog. A human can perform an autopsy on a human. A human can only perform a NECROPSY on a dog! (I even saw this glaring error in a TEXTBOOK once. I may write the authors.)

Okay, rant over. Thank you.
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dont be an a$$hole
 
I applied to five. I really only wanted to go to one, I admit. But I knew I'd rather go to my second choice than take a year off and reapply. I don't know your stats, so I don't know if those schools are realistic goals for you. If they are, there's no reason to apply to a lower ranked or less suitable school if you would take a year off rather than go there if you weren't accepted to your top choice.

Answers to my other questions would help me tell you more about dual degree programs.
 
It's a rant. It's labeled as such. I'm not calling out the poster specifically. Don't curse at me on a forum if you don't want to look like an idiot yourself. Your post is a big WAH, more or less...
 
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It's a rant. It's labeled as such. I'm not calling out the poster specifically. Don't curse at me on a forum if you don't want to look like an idiot yourself. Your post is a big WAH, more or less...
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agree with DVM'08. We knew what he meant by autopsy. give it a rest.
 
CanadianGolden said:
I applied to five. I really only wanted to go to one, I admit. But I knew I'd rather go to my second choice than take a year off and reapply. I don't know your stats, so I don't know if those schools are realistic goals for you. If they are, there's no reason to apply to a lower ranked or less suitable school if you would take a year off rather than go there if you weren't accepted to your top choice.

Answers to my other questions would help me tell you more about dual degree programs.
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I am applying in 3 years from now. I am getting an internship this summer with a Wildlife Refuge Hospital and have been involved with them last summer and years with taking rare ducks off of them and raising, rehab, releasing them back into the wild. I have recently got an interview a Aquarium here and will be doing an education and husbandry thing there. I have strong grades also that are realistic to Cornell and Penn.
 
WildlifeSaver said:
I am applying in 3 years from now. I am getting an internship this summer with a Wildlife Refuge Hospital and have been involved with them last summer and years with taking rare ducks off of them and raising, rehab, releasing them back into the wild. I have recently got an interview a Aquarium here and will be doing an education and husbandry thing there. I have strong grades also that are realistic to Cornell and Penn.
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Have you completed undergrad? If you are only a freshman, most of your grades aren't determined. If you're out of undergrad, then the wildlife stuff sounds like a great way to spend some time and get experience before applying.
 
CanadianGolden said:
Have you completed undergrad? If you are only a freshman, most of your grades aren't determined. If you're out of undergrad, then the wildlife stuff sounds like a great way to spend some time and get experience before applying.
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I am not really a freshmen (I guess you could say I am?), its just the way I sequenced my AS program that I can't be graduating now. I have a lot of credits already with 5 bios under my belt and 2 chems and many electives..Lets just say more then enough credits to graduate now, but I am going to finish it out with my Organics first and calcs. Taking many upper level classes when I get to university (physics, biochem, calc 2, statistics etc..)
 
If I decided to transfer now I would be in my third year
 
I am thinking it would be to my advantage to take that extra year so I can make myself a better applicant. Wouldn't you do this to strengthen yourself and just take your time if you feel like it is what you want to do?
 
I'm confused...you say you are a third year but you will take many science classes "when you go to university"? Aren't you at university now?

I would not take a year off (and didn't) but that is something you have to decide for yourself.
 
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