Depends. Some schools are quite transparent on their websites, some are not. If you're concerned, you should talk to your Dean of Student Affairs and ask to see a sample MSPE. Some use actual ordinal rank, quartile/quintile or whatever segment of the class you fall in, or code word "Compstomper will make an outstanding/excellent/very good/good" house officer" which then has a rubric at the end of the MSPE which tells where you are.
Why?
Oh we weren't ranked by ordinals either. It was by "code word", I believe.
I've never understood why people don't ask. The worst they can say is no. And you'll be hearing that a lot thru med school from admins anyways.
They'll hope you'll be satisfied on seeing the word "Very Good" thinking everyone gets that.
M1?!? or M4?
So they just said sorry we're not sending you the last page of your MSPE?
I've never understood why they would do that. Students need to know where they fall in the class so they can decide which specialties are open for them. The MSPE is essentially your transcript from medical school. Maybe they're afraid of students contesting their code word - How dare you, I'm not "Excellent", I'm "Outstanding"! Then you have some schools who will filter evaluation comments, and others who won't touch it at all (or not without an extended process of appeal).
The ones that I know that give full scholarships to medical school do it before M1 even starts, like Canby Robinson scholars at Vanderbilt.
Oh, so your general surgery mentor then knew where you stood in your class (even though you didn't).
I swear half of SDN's Raison d'être is bc people's medical schools bald-faced lie to them. "Oh, we're not ranking you!" Yes, correct, they aren't sending your exact ordinal rank in the class to programs, but they do tell what segment of the class you fall in whether that's specific quartile, by code word adjectives (with the rubric at the end that explains that code word), etc. I understand with some people it might make them more nervous, more competitive, but is it better to just to make it up?
Hence why I donated to SDN. I wouldn't have gotten into a single med school if I had just taken the advice of PhDs or premed advisors at undergrad.
As much as medical school administrators and admissions officers say not to ever trust advice on SDN (which yes, there is a sprinkling of that), a lot of advice that is given is actually quite good and valuable, esp. if you're struggling with something (and we all struggle with something in med school at some point). I think it also helps in finding out the current going ons of the school - change in curriculum, change in grading scheme, student body culture (this is a big one), etc. That admissions people and the brownnoser med student who do med school tours won't let you be privy to. Same story for residency program interviews. A lot of it is reading in between the lines.
It's one thing to say not to 100% rely on First Aid. It's another thing to say not to use it at all. This is a standardized exam. Going thru your PhD professor's powerpoints is not a good use of your time to review for Step 1. Step 1 doesn't test what's "clinically important" all the time. It tests things in clinical vignette window dressing, but the underlying principle is a basic science concept.
And for only $20,303 for tuition & fees if you're in-state, or $33,403 if you're out-of-state.
Well med schools feel like you should review them "holistically".
I'm going to have to report you for this comment. Mainly bc I don't like it.
LOL. It was in reference to Psai giving good personal advice to another user in another thread and the user took it badly (and then cursed him out).
It's stupid to correlate a USWNR ranking with a match list. That being said, if you are at a top tier med school, your chances of matching into a good institution even in an non-competitive specialty is quite good. I think WashU (for example), which doesn't have the name-dropping potential that Harvard, Penn, or Yale does, is a good example of this. There are many people here on SDN who are at the top of every metric, and are just shocked that they aren't getting interviews at UCSF, BWH, MGH, JHU, etc.
This is very well known in medical education as the statistics/charts released by the AAMC support this. Yes, at the same MCAT/GPA metric, if you are Black or Hispanic, your chances of getting into medical school are higher than say an Asian/White. That's just the facts and the AAMC has released that data which you posted.
I don't know about felony. If you read the article, apparently it's under DACA under Obama's executive order. I like the line: Mark Kuczewski, chair of Loyola’s department of medical education, told Crain’s Chicago Business that he is surprised no one else is following Loyola’s lead. “I am a little surprised that we’re not hearing more interest within the state,” he said.
Yes, but DACA only applies to only a certain subset of immigrants who are here illegally - those were brought here illegally before the age of 16. Essentially they are in limbo are allowed to stay.
