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I've heard that studying as an undergrad and even as a graduate student does nothing to prepare one for how to study in medical school...I was wondering if the current medical students could provide some insight into some of the time management and studying techniques they've developed?? i.e. abandon books and study straight from notes, or devoting 'x' amount of time to one class and 'y' amount to another based on their difficulty?

I know that's a rather general question, but any advice would be appreciated.....the more you know, the better, right?

Thanks in advance!
 
Read books...read handouts...listen to lecture...read notes...read BRS...by then you should know the material.
 
Without sounding trite --- you'll have to find what works for you. Whatever it takes to get the information into your head in detail so that you can instantly recall it and answer 3rd order questions.....Ok, second order questions for sure and some 3rd and 4th. More 3rd and 4th when you get to the end of year one and from what I've heard, all of year 2.

Now, on a personal note, I've tried a whole bunch of different methods. In undergrad, all I had to do was read the book once and I was good (4.0). Well, let's just say that was NOT a successful strategy in medical school.

What I've found that works for me....Do the assigned reading BEFORE class or at a minimum that same day. Pay attention in class, look for what the prof emphasizes. Oh, yeah, start studying for the next exam the day you take the previous one.

After class, make whatever notes you need to integrate the material and then start committing it to memory. Yeah, rote memorization. If you get asked where the aorta branches and becomes the common iliac, you should spit that out like you know your parent's address.

That's day one. Do the same for day 2 and then review the notes and memory work from day one along with that. Keep going like that until the exam.

If you've got a lab with the course, go to the lab. Get your hands dirty and hold the structures. Ask yourself or get your tankmates to ask questions about what vessels, nerves, etc. feed those structures. What secretions do they have, what's the histology of the structure, etc. What are the orienting landmarks of the structure. Do that at LEAST 3 times with everything you're responsible for before the next practical. If at all possible, get one of the anatomy professors to go to the lab with you and walk you through the information AFTER you've had time to study and can ask intelligent questions.

Continue ad nauseum until you have your exam. Then start all over again.
Should take you about 4 to 5 hours a day at least and then plan on 12 hours each day on weekends.

Also, get your paws on some old exams or test bank questions or buy the Kaplan Q Bank questions for Physio. By the time the day before the exam comes, you should have ALL of your studying done and then spend the time split between reviewing and doing questions. Doesn't matter if you get them right, just do them so you can see how they'll be coming at you. Most people say to do this all along but I never had time for that.


It's a lot of fun, no joke.
 
DaveinDallas said:
Without sounding trite --- you'll have to find what works for you. Whatever it takes to get the information into your head in detail so that you can instantly recall it and answer 3rd order questions.....Ok, second order questions for sure and some 3rd and 4th. More 3rd and 4th when you get to the end of year one and from what I've heard, all of year 2.

Now, on a personal note, I've tried a whole bunch of different methods. In undergrad, all I had to do was read the book once and I was good (4.0). Well, let's just say that was NOT a successful strategy in medical school.

What I've found that works for me....Do the assigned reading BEFORE class or at a minimum that same day. Pay attention in class, look for what the prof emphasizes. Oh, yeah, start studying for the next exam the day you take the previous one.

After class, make whatever notes you need to integrate the material and then start committing it to memory. Yeah, rote memorization. If you get asked where the aorta branches and becomes the common iliac, you should spit that out like you know your parent's address.

That's day one. Do the same for day 2 and then review the notes and memory work from day one along with that. Keep going like that until the exam.

If you've got a lab with the course, go to the lab. Get your hands dirty and hold the structures. Ask yourself or get your tankmates to ask questions about what vessels, nerves, etc. feed those structures. What secretions do they have, what's the histology of the structure, etc. What are the orienting landmarks of the structure. Do that at LEAST 3 times with everything you're responsible for before the next practical. If at all possible, get one of the anatomy professors to go to the lab with you and walk you through the information AFTER you've had time to study and can ask intelligent questions.

Continue ad nauseum until you have your exam. Then start all over again.
Should take you about 4 to 5 hours a day at least and then plan on 12 hours each day on weekends.

Also, get your paws on some old exams or test bank questions or buy the Kaplan Q Bank questions for Physio. By the time the day before the exam comes, you should have ALL of your studying done and then spend the time split between reviewing and doing questions. Doesn't matter if you get them right, just do them so you can see how they'll be coming at you. Most people say to do this all along but I never had time for that.


It's a lot of fun, no joke.

Thanks for the advice....that's an intense amount of studying but I'm ready for it....I think..
So the Kaplan Q Bank questions for Physiology are broad based questions that can be applied to all medical school subjects?

Again, great advice. What school are you going to?
 
bblue said:
Thanks for the advice....that's an intense amount of studying but I'm ready for it....I think..
So the Kaplan Q Bank questions for Physiology are broad based questions that can be applied to all medical school subjects?

Again, great advice. What school are you going to?


bblue...the OMS II's next year will hook you up with specific class info once you get here...how to attack each class is specific...how YOU are going to study is personal. PM me if you are interested in talking specifics this summer, we have final blocks in two weeks, so can't do it now.

Anyways...as I have mentioned to you before...just RELAX and do fun things...you will be fine...it just takes hard work, but if they accepted you they feel you are capable of handling it, we all had reservations before starting...and ALL of your classmates will as well!
 
stretch210 said:
bblue...the OMS II's next year will hook you up with specific class info once you get here...how to attack each class is specific...how YOU are going to study is personal.

Exactly.

I made it a point not to study at all on the weekends through my first 2 years. I only abandoned that plan when Step 1 came around.

Each person is different.

I will say this though, it is physically impossible to stay ahead of the game with the amount of reading there is no matter how much you read a night.

I remember my first day of anatomy we had to have read 75 pages and the bookstore didnt even have the text in stock yet.

You'll get through it.
 
bblue said:
I've heard that studying as an undergrad and even as a graduate student does nothing to prepare one for how to study in medical school...I was wondering if the current medical students could provide some insight into some of the time management and studying techniques they've developed?? i.e. abandon books and study straight from notes, or devoting 'x' amount of time to one class and 'y' amount to another based on their difficulty?

I know that's a rather general question, but any advice would be appreciated.....the more you know, the better, right?

Thanks in advance!

The following worked for me:

-Don't buy textbooks.
-Study for 1 test at a time.
-Study class notes, then do practice questions from board review books
-Make a high yield review sheet to review the night before and the day of the test.
-Don't waste time attending lectures. Use this time to study.
 
I completely agree with OSUdoc08. The only class that has really been worth attending this quarter is Neuro. All of the other classes can be handled fine with just the powerpoint slide notes. Prereading lecture material is just not realistic and there just isn't time to do all of the assigned reading in the textbooks unless you have no life. The test to test method works great for me and I will continue to do that. For me, the most important part of studying is doing practice questions from board review books or old exams. The more I test my knowledge of the material, the more it sticks.



OSUdoc08 said:
The following worked for me:

-Don't buy textbooks.
-Study for 1 test at a time.
-Study class notes, then do practice questions from board review books
-Make a high yield review sheet to review the night before and the day of the test.
-Don't waste time attending lectures. Use this time to study.
 
DaveinDallas said:
Whatever it takes to get the information into your head in detail so that you can instantly recall it and answer 3rd order questions.....Ok, second order questions for sure and some 3rd and 4th

What are 1st-->4th order questions? Progressively integrative?
 
bblue said:
Thanks for the advice....that's an intense amount of studying but I'm ready for it....I think..
So the Kaplan Q Bank questions for Physiology are broad based questions that can be applied to all medical school subjects?

Again, great advice. What school are you going to?

Yes, the Kaplan physio QBank has them nicely parceled out
in different subjects. UNFORTUNATELY, I discovered them
way to late and didn't do as well as I wanted to in the
early going.

I'm at TCOM.
 
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toothless rufus said:
What are 1st-->4th order questions? Progressively integrative?

1st order are more like,"What is it?"

2nd order - What's it's function type of stuff

3rd order - A bit more difficult but more remote i.e. if you do something
two levels upstream, what's the end result? Not just what is it and what does it due but more like what cells make up the tissue of the organ that you've just identified.

4th order - Where do those cells come from and how do they mature and what are the possible malfunctions.

I've not had a lot of 3rd and 4th but we're starting to get them now. Somebody help me if I have those wrong....
 
If you decide to buy this, can you print out the questions/answers? Or do you have to just buy it each semester?
 
OSUdoc08 said:
The following worked for me:

-Don't waste time attending lectures. Use this time to study.

Yeah, this is true. You have to pick your lecturers. Some of ours were
really good. If you went to their lectures, you had the material down.
Others will give you hints about what they think is important. If you get
the lectures on tape/CD/whatever you can probably listen to them at
double speed and still get the info.
 
BluesClues32 said:
If you decide to buy this, can you print out the questions/answers? Or do you have to just buy it each semester?

I don't know what the contract states. That's between you and Kaplan. I paid the $99 for 3 months (figuring at $1/day, it's not a bad deal). When
I did the questions, I noticed a one letter grade increase in my class grades.

It's not for everybody. I just found that the review books didn't have enough
questions in them. You might be able to get by with the old tests from your school.
 
bblue said:
I've heard that studying as an undergrad and even as a graduate student does nothing to prepare one for how to study in medical school...I was wondering if the current medical students could provide some insight into some of the time management and studying techniques they've developed?? i.e. abandon books and study straight from notes, or devoting 'x' amount of time to one class and 'y' amount to another based on their difficulty?

I know that's a rather general question, but any advice would be appreciated.....the more you know, the better, right?

Thanks in advance!


a current M1 told me that you do indeed have to retrain yourself to study for med school, for in undergrad, in reveiwing notes before a test you could look at something and say, "oh, they won't ever ask about that", but in med school they will - only not exactly. they will ask a question that touches on the general topic of whatever it is, and then the answer choices are specifics, so while you are not asked outright for the details, you need to know them, knitty-gritty to pick/eliminate answer choices! 😱

at her school, instead of having A, B, C, D to choose from, the answers can go all the way to G! so while you may be able to eliminate 5 right away, you get hung up on the one little thing you can't remember....

are they all like this? 😕
 
At VCOM we have A, B, C,D,E on the scan trons.

It is a different thing to study for undergrad verses med school. In undergrad I worte out all my notes in notebooks, but in med school that would be impossible for me to do. Every class is power points (DEATH BY POWER POINTS is an ugly way to go :scared: ) I end up not taking notes in most lectures and just reading the power points and teh text books and the BRS for most of the classes. And I have to attend class since I go to VCOM (although this year alot of us have not been attending all the classes)

I think it took me a whole 10 week block to figure out what worked for me in my MSI year. When I got to the MSII classes, it took a bit of relearning a new style to figure out what worked for those classes.

Everyone is different though and you will just have to figure out what works for you. I can not study in groups either small or large, but there are people in my class that group time works wonderfully for them. Just try to come up with a general plan and then stay flexiable to change what doesnt work.

Good luck
 
OSUdoc08 said:
The following worked for me:

-Don't buy textbooks.
-Study for 1 test at a time.
-Study class notes, then do practice questions from board review books
-Make a high yield review sheet to review the night before and the day of the test.
-Don't waste time attending lectures. Use this time to study.


Some of the same.

- I have yet to buy a textbook
- I study for multiple tests at a time. At my school that isn't a choice. You have to
- Study your class notes, study them again, and then probably one more time.
- Lectures are for the most part, >95% a waste of time in my opinion.
 
DaveinDallas said:
Yeah, this is true. You have to pick your lecturers. Some of ours were
really good. If you went to their lectures, you had the material down.
Others will give you hints about what they think is important. If you get
the lectures on tape/CD/whatever you can probably listen to them at
double speed and still get the info.

Our class emails out what the professor said was important, so we don't have to waste time listening to audio recordings.

(Yet another reason I chose to attend the school I am at.)
 
stretch210 said:
bblue...the OMS II's next year will hook you up with specific class info once you get here...how to attack each class is specific...how YOU are going to study is personal. PM me if you are interested in talking specifics this summer, we have final blocks in two weeks, so can't do it now.

Anyways...as I have mentioned to you before...just RELAX and do fun things...you will be fine...it just takes hard work, but if they accepted you they feel you are capable of handling it, we all had reservations before starting...and ALL of your classmates will as well!

Let me just say, BTW, that if you want to go to a school where you know the class above you has your back...Touro-NV is the place. The OMS-I's have ALREADY been so damn helpful, it's unbelievable.
 
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We are here for you bblue...

Trust me, if we could do it, so can you! 😉

Enjoy your time off, I know I will be enjoying mine!
 
I will say this though, it is physically impossible to stay ahead of the game with the amount of reading there is no matter how much you read a night.

I remember my first day of anatomy we had to have read 75 pages and the bookstore didnt even have the text in stock yet.

You'll get through it.[/QUOTE]


I found alot of times in the Post-Bac program I attended, that I spent too much time reading textbooks. So you're saying, focus on the testable material and don't waste time reading texts, which are often unnecesary and extraneous?
 
bblue said:
I will say this though, it is physically impossible to stay ahead of the game with the amount of reading there is no matter how much you read a night.

I remember my first day of anatomy we had to have read 75 pages and the bookstore didnt even have the text in stock yet.

You'll get through it.


I found alot of times in the Post-Bac program I attended, that I spent too much time reading textbooks. So you're saying, focus on the testable material and don't waste time reading texts, which are often unnecesary and extraneous?[/QUOTE]

There is so much stuff that you actually have to know in a very short amt of time....attempting to get "extra", non-testable material is setting yourself up for failure/insanity. The only time that I pick up a text book is when there is a difficult concept that I need to clarify. IMHO, you should only use textbooks for that, as all the hard facts you need will come from your class. Coping and excelling in med school is all about efficiency in your study methods. Info must to be on a "need to know" basis. If you feel like thats taking the easy way out, you'll still be surprised at how huge that amount of necessary info is.
 
Textbooks make good beer coasters.
 
DrB said:
We are here for you bblue...

Trust me, if we could do it, so can you! 😉

Enjoy your time off, I know I will be enjoying mine!

Thanks Dr. B...Good luck with finals! 🙂
 
Don't buy ANY textbooks yet bblue!!!

Wait until end of summer and we'll see what the schedule looks like before you do that...you may only need anatomy...I didn't even use that, so that one is optional as well.
 
stretch210 said:
Don't buy ANY textbooks yet bblue!!!

Wait until end of summer and we'll see what the schedule looks like before you do that...you may only need anatomy...I didn't even use that, so that one is optional as well.


Yes Sir!
How's finals going?
 
I haven't been able to find this anywhere else, so please excuse my question if it is obvious. What are some good board review books for MSI? I haven't been able to find any COMLEX specific ones that aren't focused on OMM.
 
except for the OMT specific books.....the material is basically the same....so most books are made for USMLE...take a look at the boards forum here for a listing of the best ones for each subject
 
Dr Trek 1 said:
I haven't been able to find this anywhere else, so please excuse my question if it is obvious. What are some good board review books for MSI? I haven't been able to find any COMLEX specific ones that aren't focused on OMM.

BRS Anatomy
BRS Neuroanatomy
BRS Physiology
Savarese OMM

For MS-II:

Rapid Review Pathology
First Aid for Step I
Kaplan QBank
 
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