Med School with an Infant

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Hi All!

Not sure if this is the right forum.

I am nontrad and fortunate enough to be starting med school in the fall. Super excited!

My wife and I are due to have our first child...... just when school starts! (due about 4 weeks into the semester)

I know it will be challenging. I'm looking for pointers, experiences, etc. about navigating med school with an infant.

Did this change if you went to lecture or not?
Child care?
Allocating study time, parenting, family time..
etc...

Any insight helps!
 
lol yeah good luck attending lecture with a newborn (my baby is 10 wks old today, I graduated years ago)

this is a set up to fail your first block honestly

do you have a relative that can come help? watch lecture remotely? reach out to the school about this NOW and come up with a game plan that includes help for your wife and baby and something remote for you

what will your commute to school be like??
 
Commute is 20min
I do have relatives nearby
Lectures are available online

Good idea to reach out to the school. I was recently accepted and of course did not disclose this information beforehand… as I did not want It to be a reason for rejection (obv not official reason)
 
I also had an unplanned c section, and despite a great and speedy recovery, needed help from my partner and my mom literally 24/7 for at least 2 weeks, they did it in 12 hour shifts so they could each sleep.

Even with a vaginal delivery, your wife will need a lot of help with feedings.

q3 hour feedings (and that's a LOW maintenance newborn) doesn't sound like that bad, until you realize that a "cycle" as I call it, involves being awake for at least 40-60 minutes each time. Diaper change, breastfeeding, burping, soothing back to sleep alone takes that long. This then gives you maybe 2 hours to sleep before doing it all over again. Then changing clothes, bedding, doing laundry, trying to eat, maintain your own hygiene, bathe baby, tummy time baby, give baby vitamin D drops, massage baby, read a book to baby.... all the little "extras" that are excellent care of everyone, is very, very difficult, let alone trying to make your brain function to study. Seriously, it takes all your brain resources sometimes to figure out which way the diaper goes on! You start doing weird stuff like throwing your socks in the trash instead of the laundry (something I did just yesterday). Making sure people who have to drive or drive baby are getting enough sleep to do so safely! (Even after 2 weeks when baby started sleeping more than 4 hour blocks, that just meant during day q 2 hours, which meant that the cycles came faster giving me and partner less time to prepare for each one or do other things...)

Do you two plan on breastfeeding? Keep in mind you don't really save time with formula feeding when you factor in sterilizing bottles, heating bottles, and dealing with more spit up messes and fussing. If for some reason your wife has to supplement or pump more, like triple feeding or some such, colicky baby....

We needed to average a trip to the doc about once a week for peds appt, tongue tie release, work with lactation in person, etc etc etc for the first 6 weeks. Like I said, our newborn isn't even that high of maintenance!

Honestly it's a "all hands on deck" situation for 2-3 adults for about a good month and definitely the first 2 weeks.

If you have a relative that can be live-in and sleep during the day and do night shifts, that you can stand (ie will truly be helpful and not too much opining and interference with how you want to do things, basically a "serf" to what you want done), this is ideal and would facilitate you sleeping enough to be able to put in a decent day of studying probably starting at about 2-6 weeks (no one can really say, because it depends so much on health of mom and baby and no one can predict that until the time comes)

Don't give up the first 2 weeks of doing the cycles (while also trading off for enough sleep to maintain your emotional equilibrium, drive, help your wife, enjoy your baby) where you are doing everything with your wife and for your baby besides breastfeeding. There have been studies about what this does to the male brain re: bonding with baby. You want these brain changes.

This is your first baby. Don't let anything steal that time and that focus and that bonding. These studies found the relationship and bonding was correlated with differences in the quality of the father-child relationship even years later! You'll never get the time back. They grow so fast. Every minute they are growing away from you. Every development is a cause for celebration but also represents them moving closer to independence and one day leaving you.

Feel free to PM me or ask in thread about infant care or breastfeeding. Not an expert, just a physician mom.
 
Thanks so much. I sent you a PM to further discuss.
 
Hi All!

Not sure if this is the right forum.

I am nontrad and fortunate enough to be starting med school in the fall. Super excited!

My wife and I are due to have our first child...... just when school starts! (due about 4 weeks into the semester)

I know it will be challenging. I'm looking for pointers, experiences, etc. about navigating med school with an infant.

Did this change if you went to lecture or not?
Child care?
Allocating study time, parenting, family time..
etc...

Any insight helps!
JJ:

I started med school with a 1 year old, not the same as an infant.

It takes a team effort and can be quite challenging, but it can be done. Realize that it is not just you that will be working hard to get through med school, but also your partner. S/he will have to carry a substantial part of the load. Make sure that you and your partner are understanding of this, and willing to invest the time not only for the baby, but to continue to grow your relationship. It will be challenging, but doable if both parties work at getting through the med school.



Wook
 
Find out if any fellow students are also new parents and see if SO's can help in a communal effort.

I've had students who were single moms who were able to navigate med school. They could do it, so can you.
 
I'll be starting this fall as well. My wife and I have a 2 month old and a 2 year old, so a bit different than your situation but things are still quite fresh for us with the 2 month old.

Our pediatrician told us to feed the bugger every 2-hrs, religiously, when first starting out. My wife is pumping instead of breastfeeding, so that helps a good bit with her getting some sleep between feedings. Even so, it's really tough with the newborn.

The solution is simple, "sleep when the baby sleeps". Great in theory, terrible in practice when the kid won't go back down, or when they just won't take that liquid gold. Perhaps your wife will be able to do all the feedings and function on her own as a sleepless zombie. For us, not helping would've led to someone's death (likely mine). Sleep is even harder to come by for us right now because we have the newborn keeping us up all night and the toddler to keep from killing himself during normal waking hours. But for you two, you just need to figure out the rotation for nights.

I would highly recommend bringing in an in-law if possible to help you through the first couple months of irregular graveyard feedings. Your wife may believe she can handle sleeplessness, but it can be unbearable if your baby has colic. Plan for the worst and reserve an in-law for the first couple months of school. That's our plan because I know I won't be able to help out like I am right now once school begins.

Additionally, anything can happen during childbirth. We needed an emergency c-section and that just about immobilized my wife for the first few weeks post-partum. We would've been hands down dead in the water had I been in med school at that time if there was no family available to help my wife.
 
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When I started medical school I had a 5 y/o, 3 y/o, and a 1 y/o. Our new baby was born just as I was starting my 4th year. The coming year is going to be difficult for many reasons. First, medical school is not easy on top of that, throw in an infant and all that comes with it. But you will also start to feel guilty that you think you are going to be missing out on things and you will want to help your wife out as she cannot and should not be the only parent around. But don’t fret.

I will let you know what I did. Use this as advice to your own situation.
1. I set up a schedule and I was anal about it
2. Friday through Sunday afternoon was family time,no studying.
3. My little baby was my study buddy so my wife can sleep (our baby swing was in use a lot)
4. Scheduled mommy and daddy time (unromantic but there is little chance of spontaneity with medical school along with an infant)
5. Had a set babysitter from my classmates
6. Setup special bonding time with my kids alone.




1. Set up a schedule. School was like a job. When class was over, I went home, had dinner with the family and then went to the library to study. You cannot expect your wife to keep the baby quiet for you to study and pay attention. Your public library is a good resource because it closes at a normal time. If the baby is sleeping, in the evening, let your wife sleep and bond over giving the baby the bottle (your wife can pump and use breast milk in the bottle) so you can bond. While the baby is taking the bottle, use the time to relax your mind and listen to music or a podcast so you can bond.
2. When you feel comfortably going out and there is no family to watch the baby, see if any of your classmates wouldn’t mind babysitting (pay them). I had 3 go to classmates.
3. Make sure you have mommy and daddy time. Very important.
4. If you have family near by, they are a huuuuuuuge resource. See if they will help you.
5. One thing Idid was Friday through Sunday afternoon was no studying time if there was no exam coming up. This was family time.

You can do this. Sometimes you need to be creative but you can do it. It will be very hard, but the payout in the end will be great.
 
I too am a nontraditional student that will be starting school and expecting our first child this fall. It is definitely scary, but my wife and I have a solid support system around us. I am mostly worried about being the best med student/doctor and father that I can be, while also being sleep deprived.

But others have done it before us and we can do it too. Feel free to PM to talk about what's working and not working during the first semester.
 
It really depends on your support system. I know several males with infants in med school and it takes a lot of effort but their SO's are the primary caregivers.
 
Hi All!

Not sure if this is the right forum.

I am nontrad and fortunate enough to be starting med school in the fall. Super excited!

My wife and I are due to have our first child...... just when school starts! (due about 4 weeks into the semester)

I know it will be challenging. I'm looking for pointers, experiences, etc. about navigating med school with an infant.

Did this change if you went to lecture or not?
Child care?
Allocating study time, parenting, family time..
etc...

Any insight helps!
Congratulations on all of the great things coming your way!

As a nontraditional, single parent rounding 30 years... it's doable. Hard, really stinking hard, but doable.

I did an SMP last year, my daughter was one going on two years old. This year I'm an OMS-I and my daughter was two when the year started.

My biggest advice for all is to sit down with your wife and make sure that you both understand the expectations and come up with a schedule. Personally, I dedicate 7 days a week from about 8 am to 6 pm to school (whether actually in classes/labs or studying at home). That's school time. Outside of that is time for family. 6 o'clock comes and regardless of the schoolwork to be done, I call it quits to be with my daughter. That said, I'm a mixed A/B student and I'm happy with that--I'd rather spend the little time I do with my daughter and let my grades fall a bit than spread us all so thin, reaching for perfection, while losing my family. I chose it all to start so I still choose it all now (medicine and family).

Good luck!
 
Is there a way op can have a LOA ready in case they need it? OP when your child is born your wife and you are not going to get much sleep for probably 6 months to a year. You can make it work but you are going to be expected to perform in medical school with little to no sleep. If your wife has to pick up the slack that may make her postpartum worse if she develops that.

If I got into medical school last cycle as intended my child would have been about 1 and was in a way better position to be taken to child care. I would consider seeing if you can get a deferment or LOA if things get crazy.
 
It really depends on your support system. I know several males with infants in med school and it takes a lot of effort but their SO's are the primary caregivers.
I should have been more specific.

Wife works full time.

Parents are semi-retired (25hr week) and live 25min away
 
I should have been more specific.

Wife works full time.

Parents are semi-retired (25hr week) and live 25min away

What are your goals for childcare? Family, friends, daycare?

How much time does your wife plan to take off after the birth?

Keep in mind that the more people coming and going, or using a daycare, means that your little one will be sick (and likely often) which will complicate schedules/studying and the health of the household as well. Kids are definitely germ magnets and that was the biggest struggle I had at the beginning of my first year when I put my daughter in daycare--she was sick, without recovery, for about 2 months (several hospital visits as a result and lots of missed class time for me).
 
What are your goals for childcare? Family, friends, daycare?

How much time does your wife plan to take off after the birth?

Keep in mind that the more people coming and going, or using a daycare, means that your little one will be sick (and likely often) which will complicate schedules/studying and the health of the household as well. Kids are definitely germ magnets and that was the biggest struggle I had at the beginning of my first year when I put my daughter in daycare--she was sick, without recovery, for about 2 months (several hospital visits as a result and lots of missed class time for me).
It's going to be a combination. I have family that will help, but not 5 days a week.

Realistically, 2 days dropped of with family while I'm on campus and 3 days at daycare while on campus/studying at home.

The daycare classes are fairly small and I have two friends who send their kids there. Yes, sick is inevitable from what I've heard and are going to make things challenging.
 
I had two kids still in diapers when I started medical school. There's a lot of good advice on this thread, but here are my thoughts on it.

In no particular order:
1. Schedule time for you wife. Schedule time for your kids. Keep to both.
2. You will need to be able to accept that you probably won't be the best medical student and the best parent/spouse. You'll be constantly balancing trying to be "good enough" at both.
3. Your partner is going to carry more than their fair share of the load. You both need to know what that means and be ok with it.
4. Medical school with kids will be terribly hard, but you will have some control over your schedule. You will not have control of your schedule in residency. There may be weeks when you barely see your kids.
5. No one else can really tell you if it will be worth it for you. I wanted to be a doctor more than anything. I would absolutely not do it again. Turns out the time with my kids would be worth far more to me. I have friends from medschool/residency with kids who feel differently, so ymmv.
 
I also had an unplanned c section, and despite a great and speedy recovery, needed help from my partner and my mom literally 24/7 for at least 2 weeks, they did it in 12 hour shifts so they could each sleep.

Even with a vaginal delivery, your wife will need a lot of help with feedings.

q3 hour feedings (and that's a LOW maintenance newborn) doesn't sound like that bad, until you realize that a "cycle" as I call it, involves being awake for at least 40-60 minutes each time. Diaper change, breastfeeding, burping, soothing back to sleep alone takes that long. This then gives you maybe 2 hours to sleep before doing it all over again. Then changing clothes, bedding, doing laundry, trying to eat, maintain your own hygiene, bathe baby, tummy time baby, give baby vitamin D drops, massage baby, read a book to baby.... all the little "extras" that are excellent care of everyone, is very, very difficult, let alone trying to make your brain function to study. Seriously, it takes all your brain resources sometimes to figure out which way the diaper goes on! You start doing weird stuff like throwing your socks in the trash instead of the laundry (something I did just yesterday). Making sure people who have to drive or drive baby are getting enough sleep to do so safely! (Even after 2 weeks when baby started sleeping more than 4 hour blocks, that just meant during day q 2 hours, which meant that the cycles came faster giving me and partner less time to prepare for each one or do other things...)

Do you two plan on breastfeeding? Keep in mind you don't really save time with formula feeding when you factor in sterilizing bottles, heating bottles, and dealing with more spit up messes and fussing. If for some reason your wife has to supplement or pump more, like triple feeding or some such, colicky baby....

We needed to average a trip to the doc about once a week for peds appt, tongue tie release, work with lactation in person, etc etc etc for the first 6 weeks. Like I said, our newborn isn't even that high of maintenance!

Honestly it's a "all hands on deck" situation for 2-3 adults for about a good month and definitely the first 2 weeks.

If you have a relative that can be live-in and sleep during the day and do night shifts, that you can stand (ie will truly be helpful and not too much opining and interference with how you want to do things, basically a "serf" to what you want done), this is ideal and would facilitate you sleeping enough to be able to put in a decent day of studying probably starting at about 2-6 weeks (no one can really say, because it depends so much on health of mom and baby and no one can predict that until the time comes)

Don't give up the first 2 weeks of doing the cycles (while also trading off for enough sleep to maintain your emotional equilibrium, drive, help your wife, enjoy your baby) where you are doing everything with your wife and for your baby besides breastfeeding. There have been studies about what this does to the male brain re: bonding with baby. You want these brain changes.

This is your first baby. Don't let anything steal that time and that focus and that bonding. These studies found the relationship and bonding was correlated with differences in the quality of the father-child relationship even years later! You'll never get the time back. They grow so fast. Every minute they are growing away from you. Every development is a cause for celebration but also represents them moving closer to independence and one day leaving you.

Feel free to PM me or ask in thread about infant care or breastfeeding. Not an expert, just a physician mom.
Everything about this is absolutely true. My husband was back in engineering school when we had our first, and it was hard even with a relatively uneventful birth. You need to be there, without distractions, for your wife during the first two weeks. It was total hell when my husband had only 4 days off and set us up for a seriously stressful and depressing first twelve weeks with our newborn. My mom came for the first two weeks and I couldn't have done it without her. If you can't be there, set yourself up to be stacked with help--her mom, your mom, house cleaning, grocery delivery, a church group meal train, get it squared away. Also, think about the game plan if god-forbid your child or wife have a problem at birth (which can and does happen). My second child was a hard delivery and I ended up readmitted to the hospital. We had to coordinate so much help; I cannot imagine it if my husband had been a student then. And if all this seems stressful, it is a bit, even though it's very joyful to have a growing family. Your priority should lie with your wife and child, not with school, and it's a good practice to get into that mindset now.
 
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I had two kids still in diapers when I started medical school. There's a lot of good advice on this thread, but here are my thoughts on it.

In no particular order:
1. Schedule time for you wife. Schedule time for your kids. Keep to both.
2. You will need to be able to accept that you probably won't be the best medical student and the best parent/spouse. You'll be constantly balancing trying to be "good enough" at both.
3. Your partner is going to carry more than their fair share of the load. You both need to know what that means and be ok with it.
4. Medical school with kids will be terribly hard, but you will have some control over your schedule. You will not have control of your schedule in residency. There may be weeks when you barely see your kids.
5. No one else can really tell you if it will be worth it for you. I wanted to be a doctor more than anything. I would absolutely not do it again. Turns out the time with my kids would be worth far more to me. I have friends from medschool/residency with kids who feel differently, so ymmv.

OP, feel free to PM me, but I think ^^this reply is excellent.

I can't speak to #5 yet because I'm still in school, but the rest of this 100% reflects my reality as an "older" student who had my first kid during my first semester of med school. Same goes for another classmate who did, too.

For your own sanity, I think #2 is really important to understand and make peace with. Med students tend to be high achievers who aren't use to doing things subpar. You will be a subpar parent some (many?) days. You will be a subpar med student some (many?) days. But there will be days where you're a great parent or great med student, too. A mentor summed it up for me as, "You can't be great at all things on all days. That's fine. Be great at things on the days you can."

For your partner's sanity and the health of your relationship, I think #3 is incredibly important. You both need to know going in that medical training isn't a sacrifice that one of you is making... it's a sacrifice you're both making. The extra hours I have to put in studying are extra hours my partner has to spend on parenting duties that I'd otherwise be doing. We try to split things as fairly as possible, but there's just no way to make it an even split. Know that much of your time "off" will be spent on parenting duties so your partner can finally have their own time off.

None of this is meant to discourage you – doing med school with kids is absolutely possible. People do it all the time, they're just not the majority.
 
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