Med Students Behaving Badly

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[Its_MurDAH]

We got a few characters in our class. One of whom has developed an almost legendary rep as someone who talks back to nurses, residents, even attendings. It doesn't matter who it is, he don't take crap from no one. He was in one of my rotations and the rest of us students would be in anticipation for the day's highlight when he would go off.

Once he was presenting a patient and the resident kept interrupting him and asking him if he had asked this or that question from the patient. Finally after some interruptions he said "The patient is in his room if you want to ask him your questions, but don't interrupt me anymore during this presentation."

Another time he was trying to print something on the wards and the printer jammed and a nurse said in an accusatory, condescending tone "Did you break my printer?" To which he responded "This is the hospital's printer, not yours." This riled her up because she then asked in an uppity tone for his name. He gave it to her, then without missing a beat added something like "Did you get that or would you like me to spell it out for you?"

You got any characters in your school?

Are you a med student at UIC by any chance? If so, I know exactly who you are talking about.

 

[BigRedBeta]

There's a guy in the class ahead of mine, who during the first two years was dying to be a trauma surgeon. As an M2, he bought his own pager and somehow managed to get it added to the trauma service pager list, so whenever something would happen, he'd get a page. He was around so often that most of the residents assumed he was an M4, and just kind of let him tag along. By this same token, he finagled his way into the OR multiple times.

The general surgery residents do 3 month blocks on trauma and supposedly, one team finally figured out that he was an M2 and got him off the pager list, but immediately went off service within a week or two, so he waited until the new team was on and then got back on the list. He continued to show until the day that he was in on an surgery, and stopped the attending in the middle of a surgery to say that the attending was doing the surgery wrong, and that based on some article he had read two weeks ago, better results were had doing some other approach...the surgeon - a notorious misanthrope to begin with - told him to get the **** out of his OR and if he ever saw him again, he'd make sure the student never made it to graduation...

There are some of this guy's classmates who say that he actually stopped the surgeon by yelling at him "Are you trying to kill this patient?", but that seems like some embellishment to me - not out of the realm of possibility though. There's also some debate as to whether the attending knew he was an M2 or not. Most doubt it.

 

[gujuDoc]

There's a guy in the class ahead of mine, who during the first two years was dying to be a trauma surgeon. As an M2, he bought his own pager and somehow managed to get it added to the trauma service pager list, so whenever something would happen, he'd get a page. He was around so often that most of the residents assumed he was an M4, and just kind of let him tag along. By this same token, he finagled his way into the OR multiple times.

The general surgery residents do 3 month blocks on trauma and supposedly, one team finally figured out that he was an M2 and got him off the pager list, but immediately went off service within a week or two, so he waited until the new team was on and then got back on the list. He continued to show until the day that he was in on an surgery, and stopped the attending in the middle of a surgery to say that the attending was doing the surgery wrong, and that based on some article he had read two weeks ago, better results were had doing some other approach...the surgeon - a notorious misanthrope to begin with - told him to get the **** out of his OR and if he ever saw him again, he'd make sure the student never made it to graduation...

There are some of this guy's classmates who say that he actually stopped the surgeon by yelling at him "Are you trying to kill this patient?", but that seems like some embellishment to me - not out of the realm of possibility though. There's also some debate as to whether the attending knew he was an M2 or not. Most doubt it.

Wow this kid sounds over the top!!! he needs to chill and remember that getting to the attending's stage in the profession requires passing his classes, his boards, and his rotations with good evaluations all come first, but nonetheless that is pretty funny though I think the original poster's post was the best.

 

[Tired]

There's a guy in the class ahead of mine, who during the first two years was dying to be a trauma surgeon. As an M2, he bought his own pager and somehow managed to get it added to the trauma service pager list, so whenever something would happen, he'd get a page. He was around so often that most of the residents assumed he was an M4, and just kind of let him tag along. By this same token, he finagled his way into the OR multiple times.

Brilliant . . .

The general surgery residents do 3 month blocks on trauma and supposedly, one team finally figured out that he was an M2 and got him off the pager list, but immediately went off service within a week or two, so he waited until the new team was on and then got back on the list. He continued to show until the day that he was in on an surgery, and stopped the attending in the middle of a surgery to say that the attending was doing the surgery wrong, and that based on some article he had read two weeks ago, better results were had doing some other approach...the surgeon - a notorious misanthrope to begin with - told him to get the **** out of his OR and if he ever saw him again, he'd make sure the student never made it to graduation...

. . . followed by stupid.

 

[gschl1234]

Here I'll give you a story about my buddy I was talking about. We're on IM together and he asks a nurse in a very polite way "Could you please get vitals for room X. Are attedings get mad if we don't have vitals in our notes and I really need to make sure she doesn't have a fever"

At our med school the attendings expect students (and residents) to take the vitals themselves especially if you have a reason to be worried. Isn't this the way it is at most places?

 

[cpants]

At our med school the attendings expect students (and residents) to take the vitals themselves especially if you have a reason to be worried. Isn't this the way it is at most places?

Yes, but it is part of what the nurses are supposed to do. If there were no recent vitals in a chart I would probably just take them myself, but if there were no recent vitals in any of the charts the nurses aren't doing their jobs.

 

[BigRedBeta]

Yes, but it is part of what the nurses are supposed to do. If there were no recent vitals in a chart I would probably just take them myself, but if there were no recent vitals in any of the charts the nurses aren't doing their jobs.

You've obviously never worked at the VA...

Maybe it's just the VA in my city, but there it's damn near impossible to get vitals at any thing more frequent than q shift. And according to the stories, what I experienced was a vast improvement over the way it used to be.

 

[AF_PedsBoy]

Brilliant . . .



. . . followed by stupid.

Ha ha ha so true!

As a side note, what the nurse said about med students being the newbies is true, but I've noticed the odd thing is when I'm talking to nursing students I'm nicer to them BECAUSE they don't know much, whereas nurses tend to go for med students like rabid wolverines because they don't know much. Go figure...

 

[Its_MurDAH]

Ha ha ha so true!

As a side note, what the nurse said about med students being the newbies is true, but I've noticed the odd thing is when I'm talking to nursing students I'm nicer to them BECAUSE they don't know much, whereas nurses tend to go for med students like rabid wolverines because they don't know much. Go figure...

Let's be honest you are nicer to the nursing students because you want them.
Otherwise who cares really?

 

[JerryLundegaard]

whereas nurses tend to go for med students like rabid wolverines because they don't know much.

Nurses are vicious. i'd also propose that the fatter and older they are, the less they like the presence of med-students.

As an EMT i've experienced this many times at summer camps. One time i was in charge of dispensing medications to campers. The Rx for one particular camper was for Amoxicillin, but his bottle said Augmentin. Knowing that they were the same thing i gave him the meds and sent him on his way. Next day one of the nurses nearly tore my head off about this. My explanation wasn't good enough and she felt she had to call an MD to confirm that augment. is indeed the same as amox. 😀

 

[nontypicalazn]

Maybe nurses are vicious to students because MDs are quite bitchy and bossy to nurses, and they are just taking it out on the young ones. xD

 

[OncoCaP]

Nurses are vicious. i'd also propose that the fatter and older they are, the less they like the presence of med-students.

As an EMT i've experienced this many times at summer camps. One time i was in charge of dispensing medications to campers. The Rx for one particular camper was for Amoxicillin, but his bottle said Augmentin. Knowing that they were the same thing i gave him the meds and sent him on his way. Next day one of the nurses nearly tore my head off about this. My explanation wasn't good enough and she felt she had to call an MD to confirm that augment. is indeed the same as amox. 😀

Eh, I'm not sure why you have had so much trouble with nurses. Most of the ones I've met have been nice or ok. A few aren't, but it's not like your average MD (or med student) is giving out hugs to everyone, and so I'm not sure who you are comparing them to.

Now, on a little detail here concerning your argument with the nurse: Amoxicillin and Augmentin, while similar, are NOT the same thing. While they both have amoxicillin in the ingredients, Augmentin has a very cool extra (important) ingredient (clavulanate potassium) that makes the Amoxicillin perform better against certain bacteria that would be otherwise resistant to Amoxicillin by itself. Augmentin is a "better" antibacterial agent in certain cases and very similar to Amoxicillin, of course; it wasn't not going to create a problem for the camper, most likely. Even so, I wouldn't be running around saying that they are the same thing.

I'm assuming that you have only had a few bad experiences here, and thus maybe you could give the entire nursing population another chance or two.

 

[AF_PedsBoy]

Uh, in my book Augmentin is the same thing as Amoxicillin for purposes of danger which is what they're worrying about in the campin' situation. And as a side note if you're getting picky, the clavulonate portion has more of a diarrhea side-effect than the amoxicillin portion itself...

And while a lot of those little nursing students are cute, I'm still nice to the ugly and male students!

 

[gujuDoc]

Hah everyone wants to be House.

epic fail.

Not me. I think that show is stupid and he's gross. I keep seeing this commercial for House in which he's squeezing some fluid from a needle all over people and making weird gestures and keep changing it evveryt time it comes on cuz it grosses me out.

I think some of the other shows are better.

 

[nonesuchgirl]

Not me. I think that show is stupid and he's gross. I keep seeing this commercial for House in which he's squeezing some fluid from a needle all over people and making weird gestures and keep changing it evveryt time it comes on cuz it grosses me out.

I think some of the other shows are better.

It's jumped the shark. The first couple of seasons were okay. Now: 😴

 

[IcedTea]

We got a few characters in our class. One of whom has developed an almost legendary rep as someone who talks back to nurses, residents, even attendings. It doesn't matter who it is, he don't take crap from no one. He was in one of my rotations and the rest of us students would be in anticipation for the day's highlight when he would go off.

Once he was presenting a patient and the resident kept interrupting him and asking him if he had asked this or that question from the patient. Finally after some interruptions he said "The patient is in his room if you want to ask him your questions, but don't interrupt me anymore during this presentation."

Another time he was trying to print something on the wards and the printer jammed and a nurse said in an accusatory, condescending tone "Did you break my printer?" To which he responded "This is the hospital's printer, not yours." This riled her up because she then asked in an uppity tone for his name. He gave it to her, then without missing a beat added something like "Did you get that or would you like me to spell it out for you?"

You got any characters in your school?

In every med school there's always a**holes like that guy who think they're God's gift to mankind simply because they're in med school and they're going to become a doctor. People like him shouldn't even be in med school in the first place with that attitude. If he's that rude now, how he will he deal with patients in the future when he becomes an attending? Or IF he becomes an attending that is...he deserves to get kicked out.

In my school, there's a couple of characters though, nothing major. Everyone is pretty nerdy, so all people do is study, study, and hmm...study.

 

[gujuDoc]

It's jumped the shark. The first couple of seasons were okay. Now: 😴

ha isn't that always the case?