Med students, don't do stuff like this:

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[bears1992]

The craziest thing about all of this is this lady went to Touro.

I'm at Touro and we were laughing our asses off that someone who is fanatically anti semantic would apply to a Jewish school. It's like my sister in law who hates Obama but has Obamacare.

 

[bears1992]

This didn't just happen to come out....from the originally linked article:

"The controversial website Canary Mission that hosts dossiers on pro-Palestinian student activists, professors, and organizations, focusing primarily on those who work in North American universities, published and linked their site to dozens of such tweets by Kollab. "

Guess some med schools don't really do much (if any) due diligence on social media posts since some very eggregious ones were from 2012 (presumably before she would've applied to med school)

EDIT: Which residency program was she in? Can't find that info in any of these articles.

Her name was not attached to her twitter account so I'm not sure how a medical school or hospital could have know she was posting that stuff.

 

[bears1992]

Initially I was completely outraged like everyone else, but after learning she said this stuff before medical school, I feel as if there should be some kind of "forgiveness" period. We shouldn't be firing people over things they said as young adults who may now have changed their minds. If there is evidence she was saying this stuff more recently, then by all means end job

I actually kind of agree. Her tweets went all the way into OMSI but was dormant for the past 5 years. I'm at a jewish medical school and even the jewish students were saying it is kind of over the top to ruin someones medical career over tweets from 5+ years ago. People change and maybe going to a jewish medical school changed her (ridiculous) views.

 

[BorntobeDO?]

I actually kind of agree. Her tweets went all the way into OMSI but was dormant for the past 5 years. I'm at a jewish medical school and even the jewish students were saying it is kind of over the top to ruin someones medical career over tweets from 5+ years ago. People change and maybe going to a jewish medical school changed her (ridiculous) views.

Look at the posts from the source below. She was still making comments into 2017.

She was exposed by Canary Mission, who specifically look for people making anti-semetic responses on social media. https://canarymission.org/individual/Lara_Kollab

 

[Black Coffee 24/7]

Look at the posts from page one. She was still making comments into 2017.

She was exposed by Canary Mission, who specifically look for people making anti-semetic responses on social media. https://canarymission.org/individual/Lara_Kollab

Honestly, most of her stupid crap that get her fired are posts from 2011-2013 - her undergrad years. The latter post in 2017 basically just echoes her support on the conflict bet Israel and Palestine.

But, she's a very attractive lady. Her major mistakes are to underestimate doc's immaturity and pettiness, and the uselessness of fb.

I don't have a skin in either points. But, there are tons of immature pricks in medicine at the residency and physician levels, still doing a ton of stupid crap. Just be careful. My goals in life are to smile, get my work done, and get paid.

 

[BorntobeDO?]

Honestly, most of her stupid crap that get her fired are posts from 2011-2013 - her undergrad years. The latter post in 2017 basically just echoes her support on the conflict bet Israel and Palestine.

But, she's a very attractive lady. Her major mistakes are to underestimate doc's immaturity and pettiness, and the uselessness of fb.

I don't have a skin in either points. But, there are tons of immature pricks in medicine at the residency and physician levels, still doing a ton of stupid crap. Just be careful. My goals in life are to smile, get my work done, and get paid.

I agreed that her tone had let up a bit from her earlier comments but when she says that “Further proof that Israel is more about hatred and white supremacy than it is about world Jewry, in case you didn't know" isn't exactly okay either (thats the 2017 comment). And in view of her prior comments, its safe to say she didn't change her mind about jews.

If I was the jury and her case was presented to me, I would definitely conclude that she is a risk to any jewish, especially israeli, patient who sees her. I 100% believe she is blaming her current situation on the Jews/zionist as we speak.

 

[Black Coffee 24/7]

I agreed that her tone had let up a bit from her earlier comments but when she says that “Further proof that Israel is more about hatred and white supremacy than it is about world Jewry, in case you didn't know" isn't exactly okay either (thats the 2017 comment). And in view of her prior comments, its safe to say she didn't change her mind about jews.

If I was the jury and her case was presented to me, I would definitely conclude that she is a risk to any jewish, especially israeli, patient who sees her. I 100% believe she is blaming her current situation on the Jews/zionist as we speak.

Further proof that common sense isn't exactly common sense among docs. I've heard of more cringe worthy stories from my preceptors at the physician level.

Some people just can't smile, shut up, and get paid. They feel that they need to have a voice in these meaningless debates.

 

[BorntobeDO?]

Further proof that common sense isn't exactly common sense among docs. I've heard of more cringe worthy stories from my preceptors at the physician level.

Some people just can't smile, shut up, and get paid. They feel that they need to have a voice in these meaningless debates.

Agreed on common sense and the tons of immature pricks in medicine, as well as meaningless debates, but I also think we have made it no fun at all. I was at my buddies bachelor party a couple weeks ago cutting up and having fun when I realized that I wasn't doing that at all in medical school or rotations. Its so boxed in, I feel like I can't even make 'that's what she said' jokes for fear of people taking it wrong. It kind of sucks. I mean I am a professional, but it would be nice to have some camaraderie. Unfortunately that is mostly not allowed in today's culture, especially with the opposite sex.

As you say, smile, shut up, and someday get paid. Thats supposed to be enough right?

 

[SLC]

I'm at Touro and we were laughing our asses off that someone who is fanatically anti semantic would apply to a Jewish school. It's like my sister in law who hates Obama but has Obamacare.

Lol yes, exactly the same.

 

[Black Coffee 24/7]

Agreed on common sense and the tons of immature pricks in medicine, as well as meaningless debates, but I also think we have made it no fun at all. I was at my buddies bachelor party a couple weeks ago cutting up and having fun when I realized that I wasn't doing that at all in medical school or rotations. Its so boxed in, I feel like I can't even make 'that's what she said' jokes for fear of people taking it wrong. It kind of sucks. I mean I am a professional, but it would be nice to have some camaraderie. Unfortunately that is mostly not allowed in today's culture, especially with the opposite sex.

As you say, smile, shut up, and someday get paid. Thats supposed to be enough right?

Sum up reasons why I hate people in medicine in general. People take things too seriously and have no sense of humor. Things get lightened up as attending physicians.

However, I've heard of horror stories about some resident screwing over other residents in the same specialty especially over bad taste jokes over dinner after a long day of 24h work. Pretty sad. Apparently, that guy misjudged his colleagues and let down his guard too quickly.

But, crap like that isn't surprising to me anymore after being on the receiving end of a back stabbing event from some attending physicians on one rotation. So, the lesson of not letting your guard down and only keep your inner thoughts to yourself and close colleagues hold true even at residency and attending work.

 

[ThreeCheers]

I've heard that she rejected some dude's advances. The dude got pissed, fb stalked her by combing through those fb posts, and then reported those posts to her residency PD.

Point of the story is to shut down and delete your facebook near the end of your third year. There's no good to that crap.

Genuinely curious, where did you hear this?

Canary Mission, who specifically look for people making anti-semetic responses on social media.

Not excusing what this particular girl did at all or arguing with her repercussions, but let’s not make Canary Mission out to be more heroic/less terrible than it actually is lol.

 

[Goro]

Lolol and you're 100% right.

She posted an "apology" letter and blamed her tweets on zionists and tried to make it as if she was just 'standing up to zionists'

IIRC, she was still denying the Holocaust until recently as well.

 

[SLC]

IIRC, she was still denying the Holocaust until recently as well.

Yep, exactly like those folks who opposed Obama but are on Obamacare.

 

[BorntobeDO?]

Genuinely curious, where did you hear this?


Not excusing what this particular girl did at all or arguing with her repercussions, but let’s not make Canary Mission out to be more heroic/less terrible than it actually is lol.

I literally clicked on their 'about us' page and provided a synopsis. I don't make them out to be anything. If you have some proof of maleficence go ahead and present it. All I see are screen shots of twitter comments.

 

[Mass Effect]

Lolol and you're 100% right.

She posted an "apology" letter and blamed her tweets on zionists and tried to make it as if she was just 'standing up to zionists'

One of the most dangerous things in medicine is lack of insight into your own shortcomings, prejudices, and behavior and the affect it has/could have on others.

 

[ThreeCheers]

I literally clicked on their 'about us' page and provided a synopsis. I don't make them out to be anything. If you have some proof of maleficence go ahead and present it. All I see are screen shots of twitter comments.

Well, yeah, obviously their own “about us” page is going to be biased and present themselves as more benevolent than they actually are.

Canary Mission has a reputation for stalking and doxing anyone (including some Jewish people) that holds pro-Palestinian ideologies.

 

[BorntobeDO?]

Well, yeah, obviously their own “about us” page is going to be biased and present themselves as more benevolent than they actually are.

Canary Mission has a reputation for stalking and doxing anyone (including some Jewish people) that holds pro-Palestinian ideologies.

No doubt they are pro-israeli, but if she hadn't put that stuff out there it wouldn't be there to be doxxed.

It seems to me if you are pro-palestinian without wishing death on jews or saying you will give them wrong drugs while comparing them to nazis it probably isn't a big deal to get doxxed. It doesn't make sense to me when people put their views out there on social media first, and then complain that someone highlighted them. Especially when your wishing death on a particular group of people, you have to figure people might notice.

 

[ThreeCheers]

No doubt they are pro-israeli, but if she hadn't put that stuff out there it wouldn't be there to be doxxed.

It seems to me if you are pro-palestinian without wishing death on jews or saying you will give them wrong drugs while comparing them to nazis it probably isn't a big deal to get doxxed. It doesn't make sense to me when people put their views out there on social media first, and then complain that someone highlighted them. Especially when your wishing death on a particular group of people, you have to figure people might notice.

I think you’re misunderstanding me. I already said that, in this particular case, the repercussions are merited. That doesn’t mean that CM in general is noble.

Pro-Israeli is putting it lightly. They try to punish and silence anyone that dares to disagree with their view, including students that simply join civil and peaceful pro-Palestinian organizations at their university. That alone is enough to get people “blacklisted” by CM.

I’ll put it this way: if a liberal organization went on a mission to stalk and dox every single Trump supporter, then it would most likely expose a few bigots in the process (since bad people exist within every political group). I wouldn’t feel sorry for those bigots being exposed and appropriately reprimanded, but I would still think the organization was vile for stalking and doxing many non-bigots in the process. Those two things are not mutually exclusive.

 

[BorntobeDO?]

I think you’re misunderstanding me. I already said that, in this particular case, the repercussions are merited. That doesn’t mean that CM in general is noble.

Pro-Israeli is putting it lightly. They try to punish and silence anyone that dares to disagree with their view, including students that simply join civil and peaceful pro-Palestinian organizations at their university. That alone is enough to get people “blacklisted” by CM.

I’ll put it this way: if a liberal organization went on a mission to stalk and dox every single Trump supporter, then it would most likely expose a few bigots in the process (since bad people exist within every political group). I wouldn’t feel sorry for those bigots being exposed and appropriately reprimanded, but I would still think the organization was vile for stalking and doxing many non-bigots in the process. Those two things are not mutually exclusive.

I can kind of agree with you that websites/protesters that going around trying to ruin peoples lives cause of disagreements on their beliefs are bad. Certainly internet justice in this age is nothing more than mob rule that is often a kangeroo court at best, and usually acting on low information. The instant outrage, the demand for immediate, usually violent action, all of this downplays actual real problems by lumping them in with place-fillers of smirking teens, or outrageous trump tweets. Anymore I don't believe almost any headline until a day has passed and more details emerge, cause there is always stuff left out.

But with a website like Canary, what power do they actually have other than to highlight what a person has already put out there? What exactly happens to someone who is 'blacklisted' by CM? I guess that's what I am not getting. They just seem like another site taking screen shots of peoples twitter, I am sure they don't get that much traffic. They aren't google, or facebook or some other huge company. Sure they are looking for specific things, but so is Bannon with Cambridge Analytica. If you don't want those kind of people to know what you think, don't tell them (i.e. don't put it out there).

 

[ThreeCheers]

Disagree. Every screenshot on that website would be enough to get fired from my hospital. Where are the "mild" underserving cases you claim to be on that site?

Did you actually read “every screenshot on that website”, or just the ones pertaining to this girl? Below are stories about CM targeting people despite showing no signs of bigotry or anti-semitism:

I've Been Blacklisted at Canary Mission | HuffPost

Website targets pro-Palestinian students in effort to harm job prospects

 

[M&L]

As a person who comes from a family of Polish Jews, and as a future doctor, i find this to be SO disturbing