Med studets, residency, and doctors... was it worth it??

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Alright... my goal is to get into a med school. I was a certified nurse assistant in High School, so I am familiar with the healthcare industry.... I'm a college student right now... however, I really want to know just from yalls experience... was it worth it all? All the science, studying for the MCAT, etc... do you ever regret going this route- do you sometimes wish you had just done an easier major and went straight into work or to grad school? Obviously, I'm sure there are regrets at times, even if you LOVE your work... but I just want to be sure this is what I want to do before I start this...

Hearing from your experienes would be most beneficial.

Years of debt, not so hot women, and loads of anxiety, depression, and dissappointment if you can't learn to love a halfway decent specialty... Med school really and truly sucks, especially in 3rd and 4th year when you start pulling 80-90 hour weeks. I'd really really really like to be out actually doing something right now, and not twiddling my fingers and getting yelled out every five seconds because I don't know everything. Pharmacy, Nurse Anesthetist, Podiatrist, Dentist....I would be money that overall they have much better work hours, don't have CALL or ROUNDS!, and make at least 100k per year. You have to really love being a doc to take all crap that you have to go through. Def do your research before you take the plunge.

Not spreading hate, just don't postpone your life for some delayed gratification that may or may not be there after ten years. 😳


I'm not bitter....no....not at all....
 
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Don't go into medicine for the women. Most women you meet are gold-diggers. So you are paranoid about every pretty little thing that crosses your path and you wonder what's her real plan. So you end up marrying a fellow physician who is overweight, ugly, and washed up because she spent the best years of her looks and body busy studying.
 
Here is a post I wrote to a similar question. To all the third med students who may be miserable right now all I can say is it gets much better at least it did for me. Just find a specialty you will enjoy! Good luck guys.

To the OP if you worked hard enough to get accepted to a top med school you must really want it. I will be a voice of dissention and say go for it. I went a more tradional route 4 years college, year off, four years at state med school now about halfway through residency in Anesthesiology and I actually really do enjoy Medicine, Anesthesiology and my job.

I never feel like I missed out on anything. I played hockey in college. Partied a ton went to Cancun for spring break etc. Basically had a normal college experience, probabaly the best four years of my life. Med school was great too. Made some really good friends, 2 or 3 I will be close with the rest of my life I'm sure. Will probably practice with them in the future. Got married in med school had a couple of kids. Did a surgery internship, was hard work but still overall a great year and a great experience. Plus I did some cool s hit. 1st assist on a CABG, emergent chest tubes etc.

My point is not to give you my life story but to make the example you can do medicine and have a life. I feel very fufillied in almost every area of my life. The only area I don't is financially. But I don't owe a ton, we are fine my wife stays home with the kids. Plus in two years I will hopefully be making more. My guess is a lot of these malcontents (sp) on SDN don't realize they would probably be miserable doing just about anything. If you look in your heart and think you would be happy in medicne go for it. You always have your current career to fall back on it sounds like. PM meif you want to chat about anything else. Good luck with your choice man I am sure you will make the best descion for you.

Mario
 
As a female and a fairly attractive one😉, I could say a little somethin' somethin' about the men in medicine. The newly wed men in residency are in delusional bliss, the ones who've been married for awhile with kids are either cheating or looking for a potential to cheat with, the single younger males are just slimy and cheesy with totally displaced egos who think that any female who talks to them wants to sleep with them (gross) the older single guys are either bald, fat ,weird, strangely attached to 'mommy dearest'/ still live at home, hygienically deficient, and/or have strange obsessive hobbies that only they and a few others in the solar system understand.

Medicine, well residency, works better for the men based on my observation because they tend to have lower standards. Meaning that anything with a pulse goes and that depends on one's call status...post call= standards lowest!!! Nurse's are fair game as well as the techs, the gift shop girl, whatever. I would say that a few folks in my dept as well as others 'hooked up' (their lingo) with the 'help' (my lingo).
Sad but true! Ironically enough these same men end up cheating on these girls due to lack of compatibility on a social and intellectual level a few years down the line.

Granted I will hand it to you that girls in medicine and residency are nothing to look at for the most part. I do encourage those I am friendly with to take better care and present themselves properly but this is a individual initiative. Even post call, a girl has no excuse looking ratty. I don't think there is ANYONE that can say that they ever interacted with me, in any circumstance, that I did not look proper and presentable.

Okay, this was off topic but the above post prompted a response🙂
 
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As a female and a fairly attractive one😉, I could say a little somethin' somethin' about the men in medicine. The newly wed men in residency are in delusional bliss, the ones who've been married for awhile with kids are either cheating or looking for a potential to cheat with, the single younger males are just slimy and cheesy with totally displaced egos who think that any female who talks to them wants to sleep with them (gross) the older single guys are either bald, fat ,weird, strangely attached to 'mommy dearest'/ still live at home, hygienically deficient, and/or have strange obsessive hobbies that only they and a few others in the solar system understand.

Medicine, well residency, works better for the men based on my observation because they tend to have lower standards. Meaning that anything with a pulse goes and that depends on one's call status...post call= standards lowest!!! Nurse's are fair game as well as the techs, the gift shop girl, whatever. I would say that a few folks in my dept as well as others 'hooked up' (their lingo) with the 'help' (my lingo).
Sad but true! Ironically enough these same men end up cheating on these girls due to lack of compatibility on a social and intellectual level a few years down the line.

Granted I will hand it to you that girls in medicine and residency are nothing to look at for the most part. I do encourage those I am friendly with to take better care and present themselves properly but this is a individual initiative. Even post call, a girl has no excuse looking ratty. I don't think there is ANYONE that can say that they ever interacted with me, in any circumstance, that I did not look proper and presentable.

Okay, this was off topic but the above post prompted a response🙂

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This post is crying out for pics of you. 😀

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Alright... my goal is to get into a med school. I was a certified nurse assistant in High School, so I am familiar with the healthcare industry.... I'm a college student right now... however, I really want to know just from yalls experience... was it worth it all? All the science, studying for the MCAT, etc... do you ever regret going this route- do you sometimes wish you had just done an easier major and went straight into work or to grad school? Obviously, I'm sure there are regrets at times, even if you LOVE your work... but I just want to be sure this is what I want to do before I start this...

Hearing from your experienes would be most beneficial.

You are 10 solid years away from practicing medicine. Enough time for things to change for better or for worse (more likely). Bottom line is, you are about to take a leap of faith. Goodluck.
 
As a female and a fairly attractive one😉, I could say a little somethin' somethin' about the men in medicine. The newly wed men in residency are in delusional bliss, the ones who've been married for awhile with kids are either cheating or looking for a potential to cheat with, the single younger males are just slimy and cheesy with totally displaced egos who think that any female who talks to them wants to sleep with them (gross) the older single guys are either bald, fat ,weird, strangely attached to 'mommy dearest'/ still live at home, hygienically deficient, and/or have strange obsessive hobbies that only they and a few others in the solar system understand.

Medicine, well residency, works better for the men based on my observation because they tend to have lower standards. Meaning that anything with a pulse goes and that depends on one's call status...post call= standards lowest!!! Nurse's are fair game as well as the techs, the gift shop girl, whatever. I would say that a few folks in my dept as well as others 'hooked up' (their lingo) with the 'help' (my lingo).
Sad but true! Ironically enough these same men end up cheating on these girls due to lack of compatibility on a social and intellectual level a few years down the line.

Granted I will hand it to you that girls in medicine and residency are nothing to look at for the most part. I do encourage those I am friendly with to take better care and present themselves properly but this is a individual initiative. Even post call, a girl has no excuse looking ratty. I don't think there is ANYONE that can say that they ever interacted with me, in any circumstance, that I did not look proper and presentable.

Okay, this was off topic but the above post prompted a response🙂

Married with kids and no desire to cheat whatsoever.

Even if you are a 10 for a doctor (which I doubt) that still makes you at best an 8 among all women.

I can repeatedly type that I have a 10" penis but you won't believe me without a pic.
 
People still like to bash Emergency Medicine... but, its still one of the only fields where I could work 2-3 days out of the entire month and still live 'ok'. Bump that to 4-6 days each month and easily fit to upper middle class. No, your not going to be rich working that little. But that 3-6K per month will pay the bills....and that leaves 28+ days for fishing, traveling, other jobs, etc. Talk about a great life...
 
There are alot of things people just feel they have to do : http://www.toughguy.co.uk/ For those who feel they just have to enter a 7 mile race in the dead of winter which includes jumping off a diving board into 20 feet of freezing water (sometimes they have to break the ice so people can jump in),crawling through Viet Cong tunnels, leaping flaming pits and running through hanging electric cattle prods. You have to be a bit nuts to do some things.

"worth it" is a very nebulous question.

I am not a resident for a few more weeks, so are you asking if medical school was worth it. I am a IMG, so maybe if I went to Harvard, Hopkins or the like I would have driven around with my morterboard tassle hanging off my rearview mirror. However the average MD I have seen is simply good at memorizing long lists of junk, often without a real understanding of what they are memorizing. I think a doctorate in theoretical mathematics or something is much more impressive than an MD from the best medical schools.

Is it worth the money? I have made 6 figures a number of years of my life (>$100K, <$200K) but was working less than 30 hours a week. I am heading for FP residency in a few weeks. I am not sure what I will think making $150K working as a FP.

Is it intrinsically worth it because of the service you provide? I think there are specialties like trauma surgery or interventional cardiology, in which there is little doubt you helped the patient. However, prescribed medication deaths would be the #3 cause of death if you put it on the top 10 causes of death in the USA, pushing AIDS deaths completely off the list (its number 10). Few FP's (or IM's) really are saving anyones life. Most are seeing people with STD's, depression, constipation, sinus infections, allergies, insomnia and the like - for which they usually prescribe drugs - which sometimes have adverse effects like death. Trauma surgery and interventional cardiology aside, if we are talking medicine; then no - probably kill as many as you save (the rest just get better due to the bodies own intrinsic healing abilities, in other words get better despite the MD).

Then you have specialties like radiology. which about half the time seem to be just a service other specialties use to absorb malpractice risk - most of the people I rotated with read their own xrays, MRI's and ultrasounds - without even a look at the radiologist report or else just glancing at it. I think the most memorable to me was rotating in pulmonology, my preceptor went to look at recent films - which were still in the resident radiologists office, my preceptor asked his opinion - the radiologist said the brain MRI looked normal - my preceptor took the films out and looked at them himself, pointed to a coccidiomycosis valley fever lesion ( spread to the brain - patient was on Enteracept) and said "never trust the radiologist, always read your own films".

So for primary care, unless the PCP is really pushing lifestyle changes - exercise, diet, etc (which have proven effects on health with few adverse reactions); and using very low risk treatments before jumping to the prescription pad than no, probably not worth it. The PCP should be evaluating a the diet and making appropriate changes, before prescribing for things like IBS and constipation. For many other specialities like radiology, in a limited sense (other than absorbing malpractice risk) kinda sorta worth it (of real intrinsic value).

But you just have to do some things. In 1988 I made a lifetime "to-do" list : be in 5 movies, climb Mt.Kilomanjaro, earn a 5th degree black belt, earn an MD, etc etc etc. People are just compelled to do some things for various reasons : they feel driven to do it, they are too deep in debt, etc. But for many of them you just have to be a bit nuts.
 
I am an MS3 who came to med school after a few years off. I have zero dollars and zero cents of debt. And I LOVE it.

Unlike many others, I detested the first year and could only marginally stand the second (at least we were learning about diseases and drugs and other useful, interesting things... knowing the zillions of ion transporters in the loop of Henle just didn't do it for me). Third year, however, has been like manna from heaven for me. I love working, love having something to do, love being with patients, love the OR, love everything.

One of the previous posters noted that the happiest people have parents who are physicians. I absolutely think that is true (I do). We knew exactly what to expect, and our visions of med school and doctoring weren't colored by glorious rose-colored TV glamorizations, or expectations that every moment of our day would be a cavalcade of fulfillment.

If you've ever worked any other kind of job, you'll recognize that medicine, too is a job. Meaning it's work. Meaning somedays you want to sleep in. Some days you have to fill out paperwork. But it is so infinitely better than anything else you could be doing with your time, in my opinion.
 
I worked before I came to med school too.

First two years weren't that bad, but I'm not liking clinical years that much.

I realize that I absolutely detest call. I hate working 24 hours straight every few days.
 
I think that people who don't consider it worthed shouldn't try to convince others that they will have the same experience, it's just not ethic and fair to create a bad perspective for someone who wants to give it a try in medicine, let them do it, they'll figure it out, it's their decision.
In my opinion it is actually totally worrthed, Im only a MSII and loving it!!! ...And the "good part" hasn't even started yet!! Can't wait to start my clinical rotations...😀😀... When I get there...hell yeah!! LOL LOL
Look what it did to this poor med student's brain. It's totally not worthed.
 
I had the best time of my life first and second year. I loved everything about medical school. I loved rotations... except OB/GYN. I spent extra time in surgery and felt like the OR was my long lost home. That being said I wish I could think of just one job I could do that wouldn't require I finish my degree and would allow me to pay back my loans. I never thought I'd want to vomit anytime I thought of medicine but having someone jab toothpicks under my toe nails seems more appealing now.
 
Aw, mega. That is no good.

I empathize with those of you who hate your jobs. Realize there are actually many ways you can utilize your MD that don't require you to practice medicine. There are also a few fields where you don't have to have much contact with patients.

Just like 1st and 2nd year are not like 3 and 4, 3 and 4 are not like residency. Residency is not like being an attending.


I feel very fortunate. 98% of the time I love my job. I worked in another field and hated it. Yup, made good money but I absolutely felt like it had sucked my soul. No field is perfect. medicine has 'negatives' - the key is to way what is a negative for you for what the positives are. I find great satisfaction in taking care of people, in a field (medicine) that is constantly changing, where I am always learning. I love the diversity of my work, and now that I am not a resident, my hours are very very nice.

It was *definately* worth it.

Nothing worthwhile comes easy. You just have to decide if medicine is worthwhile for you
 
This is my journey and my experience. Its not meant to persuade you to decide one way or another. Be practical, be realistic. Saying that you want to help people and save the world is delusional as everyone wants that. Perhaps talking to other doctors in your area and maybe working/shadowing for awhile may help you with this important and life-altering decision.


I think this is a great point. I really love medicine, but I must have a masochistic streak, because when I write out the details of my job (huge debt, per hour pay less than the janitor, long term pay prospects on par with a middle management jobs, abuse from nurses/pts/families/consults/attendings/medical students/cafeteria staff.... well you get the point) it sounds pretty terrible. But I really enjoy what I do. I spent a lot of time soul searching before I started med school, ruling out other options, volunteering in hospitals etc. Med school is a big commitment, and the further you get into, the harder it is to get out. So if you can expose yourself to it before starting med school, you are doing yourself favor.

Here's a case in point;

A good friend of mine enters into a competitive surgical subspecialty. Her intern gen surg year is incredibly malignant. She leaves after 6mo... with no other options. The only work she can find with a lone MD and no license is minor research (less competative ob applicant than a pHD) and teaching (limited to local colleges and test preps). During this time she examines her motivations for entering med school, and realizes she did it for all the wrong reasons, and was never really that interested being a doctor. She ultimately applies and is accepted to a program in a more lifestyle oriented field. Although she prefers her new specialty, she still is pretty unhappy with her life track, but does not feel like she has any better choices.

So... suffice it to say... check yourself before you wreck yourself.
 
I shouldn't really post here because it is my husband that is the physician, and right now I'm only in the 'apply or not apply' stage, but I want to throw some hope the way of the unhappy posters here.

My husband also really loved the book work. He took a year off to do neuroblastoma research and did the equivalent of a masters in pharmacology when he went to school. Clinical work was a shock, and the hours and workload seemed overwhelming to him. Also, he was initially struck by the fact that many of the patients he saw seemed to be indifferent of even angry. He felt depressed.

We are 7 years out of training now and he really LOVES what he does. He didn't his first two years out of fellowship, but he does NOW. It takes time to feel comfortable, to learn how to develop relationships with patients, to figure out how to not be bothered by patients who seem ungrateful (but are probably just hurting in their own way) and to get past the politics and yuck of medicine.

But...if he could go back and do it again now, he absolutely would. During his initial clinical years he didn't feel that way.

Hang on. It gets better.
 
Perhaps there is a reason why medical school tuition is so high. Once you realize you make the wrong choice, you are too far deep in debt to get out. I mean, how many interns would drop out if they had no debts.

Me.

Don't get me wrong, I love medicine. What I don't love are all the idiosyncrasies you have to navigate in working with the people in medicine. Some days it's all I can do not to up and buy a lottery ticket and just call it a day.

Last week was rough, for whatever reason... rougher than usual. Just got tired of the politics, tired of being the dutiful surgical intern kissing 17 different arses trying to keep your chief happy and read the attending's minds, tired of getting no credit for caring for patients who keep trying to die while I'm on call then getting yelled at by my staff for not having done (insert random to do item) by 7am because I've been busy trying to keep patients alive overnight.
 
No. Quit now, mortgage your home, and run screaming into the wilderness.
 
Years of debt, not so hot women, and loads of anxiety, depression, and dissappointment.


I'm kinda into this. And I've got no reason to spoil a good rut if I can get paid for it somewhere down the line. 👍
 
I probably have no right to post anything here but here it goes...

I am a senior in college, with at best a mediocre academic career. I am retaking all my pre-req classes due to not knowing what the heck I wanted to do for a long time and letting people boss me around. Then I got my EMT and started working full-time at very, very busy 911 based service. I have been there over a year and am currently finishing up my Paramedic certification. I tell you this because just like many physicians and other healthcare providers I too see patients that are ungrateful, mean spirited wastes of life. Well, some of them are. I am constantly entering unsafe environments and yes, I have had numerous weapons pulled on me. I trek through wilderness and extreme weather conditions to assist those in need. Those people being the same a**holes mentioned above. I am thrown into the back of a moving vehicles at high rates of speed and expected to start IVs, intubate, and monitor the status of a patient. I am pooped on, peed on, and puked on. I work 70 hrs a week plus school. I deal with irate families in their own house. I have no privacy on scene and am constantly bombarded by questions from hysterical bystanders. I extricate folks from burning cars and water-filled bathtubs. I am the first person people see when the crap hits the fan and the first one they take their frustration out on. I am easily as underappreciated as any physician, nurse, and so on.

But I love what I do. I am spending extra time and money to retake all these classes because I know it is what I want to spend my life doing. For me to realize this it took a job that throws me to the wolves on a daily basis. I rarely hear a thank you or anything of that nature. But by God is this job fulfilling to me, it is strictly personal. I want to be able to continue to grow and provide healthcare at the highest level one day. If you are someone that needs reassurance and accolades bestowed upon you, stay away from medicine. Otherwise, medicine is what you make of it and what you want it to be.

all the best,
dxu
 
Years of debt, not so hot women, and loads of anxiety, depression, and dissappointment if you can't learn to love a halfway decent specialty... Med school really and truly sucks, especially in 3rd and 4th year when you start pulling 80-90 hour weeks. I'd really really really like to be out actually doing something right now, and not twiddling my fingers and getting yelled out every five seconds because I don't know everything. Pharmacy, Nurse Anesthetist, Podiatrist, Dentist....I would be money that overall they have much better work hours, don't have CALL or ROUNDS!, and make at least 100k per year. You have to really love being a doc to take all crap that you have to go through. Def do your research before you take the plunge.

Not spreading hate, just don't postpone your life for some delayed gratification that may or may not be there after ten years. 😳


I'm not bitter....no....not at all....

I really like your quote on delayed gratification.
 
I'm surprised by the amount of misogyny on this thread.
I actually think the women in my IM residency program were better than average looking...after all you are talking about people w/decent educational levels, who take care of themselves, etc.

The guys in my program were nice too, and nobody married was cheating that I saw/heard of. I don't know for other specialties (like surgery, etc.). I'm sure all this varies by what residency you do, perhaps what part of the country, etc.

I think that med school + residency is only worth it if you really, really, really are motivated. Sometimes it seems that it will crush your soul because of the office politics, etc. on the wards during 3rd+4th year and during residency. The studying is just a LOT too in med school...it's worse than undergrad. It's basically just mass-regurgitation and some of the other students are ridiculously competitive about grades, which can make things unpleasant. A lot of faculty also don't care about teaching...it's just another obligation for them, that they aren't really interested in doing...though there are exceptions.

Money/finances are also an issue for many people. I do think I would have been less stressed out, and probably done a little better in med school, if I hadn't had to borrow 100% of my tuition. It's just a lot to have hanging over your head. Especially for people entering at later-than-average ages, you need to do the math and figure out how much money you'll actually be borrowing/paying back to see if it's actually worth it.
 
I am an anesthesiologist in private practice (1st yr out). This is just my view.

You will worry more and more about finances as you progress in your medical training.

When you finally make it on the other side, you realize that its not as bad as before but its certainly not as rosy as imagined.

You have responsiblities and call. There are times when people don't respect you and its evident by their behavior. There are many nurses that do not respect doctors period. And its getting worse every year.

Residency is tough. So is medical school if you are trying to get into the right specialties. Pretty soon, you realize that the rat race never ends.

So, right now it wasn't worth it? But 10 yrs from now, it MIGHT be worth it when i have finished paying all my student loans.
 
No, its not worth it....run away from it quick.

I miss out on so many things with my friends while they are on vacations and just going out to a simple dinner. I can't because I need to be in the hospital or study for step II.....I have my sub-i in 4 months and they make you work on weekends.....looks like I won't have a life at all....so no

It is NOT worth it especially
 
I don't know if med school is worth it.

But from the other side of the fence.

I never went to med school. I had the potential, I had the grades, I tutored science classes, and the professors I tutored for pushed me real hard to go farther and do more.

I went to nursing school. My student loans are paid off. I have a decent living.

I have regrets...I feel I took the easier route, and now I wish I had done more, gone farther. I would be a doctor by now, but I was too scared to put that much time and effort into a career. Besides, I always said, why would I want that much debt, and have to pay that much malpractice insurance. So I chose nursing, because nursing school was so much shorter. And now I realize I am frustrated as a floor nurse, which is 1/3 nursing, 1/3 charting, 1/3 waittress.

I won't be able to go to medschool until my husband finishes paying childsupport on my stepkids...we just can't afford it right now, I'm still paying off debt's incurred due to my father's death from cancer.

So, I wish I could say med school was worth it....

I don't have hundreds of thousands of dollars in student loans to pay off...but I have my regrets.

And everytime I work and get paired with idiot nurses that I'm supposed to be a "resource" for (code for "keep them from killing their pt's), and everytime I have to gently remind a hospitalist who doesn't even know how the defibrillator works (true story) on the latest recommendations for treatment of pulmonary edema, and every time I have to fight with management to get days off for nursing conferences or workshops so I can be up to date on practices (who cares if our current practice doesnt' follow INS recommendations and sets us up for lawsuits)....I regret it more and more
 
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And everytime I work and get paired with idiot nurses that I'm supposed to be a "resource" for (code for "keep them from killing their pt's)
This is why I think we definitely need smart people working in nursing, not just becoming doctors. A patient could have the best physician in the world but still die if the patient's nurse is an idiot.

Another nice thing about being a nurse is that you do have the options of getting trained as a PA or NP if you want more responsibility. The stepwise process of becoming a nurse then a PA is definitely much less risky than the doctor route since choosing to become a physician is basically "All or nothing". If you realize halfway through med school that you'd really prefer a mid-level degree of authority, no debt, and ability to have a life of your own over the responsibility of being a physician, you're stuck and pretty much have no choice but to finish the physician path.
Another issue for docs is that it appears that the emerging trend will be that residencies will be harder to match into as more people graduate from medical school.
If you don't match, or if something happens to get in the way of finishing residency (like health problems, family problems, or even just having a personality conflict with your residency program director that causes you to be fired under bad terms) then you could end up not knowing what to do with yourself since the options with just a medical degree but no residency are limited and you've still got to find a way to pay off that huge debt. It is a bit of a risk and I think it's something pre-meds rarely even consider. Everyone takes it for granted that the hardest part is just getting into med school!
 
As a female and a fairly attractive one😉, I could say a little somethin' somethin' about the men in medicine. The newly wed men in residency are in delusional bliss, the ones who've been married for awhile with kids are either cheating or looking for a potential to cheat with, the single younger males are just slimy and cheesy with totally displaced egos who think that any female who talks to them wants to sleep with them (gross) the older single guys are either bald, fat ,weird, strangely attached to 'mommy dearest'/ still live at home, hygienically deficient, and/or have strange obsessive hobbies that only they and a few others in the solar system understand.

Medicine, well residency, works better for the men based on my observation because they tend to have lower standards. Meaning that anything with a pulse goes and that depends on one's call status...post call= standards lowest!!! Nurse's are fair game as well as the techs, the gift shop girl, whatever. I would say that a few folks in my dept as well as others 'hooked up' (their lingo) with the 'help' (my lingo).
Sad but true! Ironically enough these same men end up cheating on these girls due to lack of compatibility on a social and intellectual level a few years down the line.

Granted I will hand it to you that girls in medicine and residency are nothing to look at for the most part. I do encourage those I am friendly with to take better care and present themselves properly but this is a individual initiative. Even post call, a girl has no excuse looking ratty. I don't think there is ANYONE that can say that they ever interacted with me, in any circumstance, that I did not look proper and presentable.

Okay, this was off topic but the above post prompted a response🙂
I've worked in the non-medical world both before and after med school, and what you're saying applies to life in general, IMO.

If you want to talk about dating/sex in medicine, then that's a completely different story 😀

During college, the years in between college and med school, and the years after med school, I've had a pretty good dating life. But during med school? That was 4 years of near-celibacy hell! And the few girls I did try to date were pretty mentally unbalanced.

This is all my experience, so YMMV 👍

I don't envy all the single folks in medicine.
 
As a female and a fairly attractive one😉, I could say a little somethin' somethin' about the men in medicine. The newly wed men in residency are in delusional bliss, the ones who've been married for awhile with kids are either cheating or looking for a potential to cheat with, the single younger males are just slimy and cheesy with totally displaced egos who think that any female who talks to them wants to sleep with them (gross) the older single guys are either bald, fat ,weird, strangely attached to 'mommy dearest'/ still live at home, hygienically deficient, and/or have strange obsessive hobbies that only they and a few others in the solar system understand.

Medicine, well residency, works better for the men based on my observation because they tend to have lower standards. Meaning that anything with a pulse goes and that depends on one's call status...post call= standards lowest!!! Nurse's are fair game as well as the techs, the gift shop girl, whatever. I would say that a few folks in my dept as well as others 'hooked up' (their lingo) with the 'help' (my lingo).
Sad but true! Ironically enough these same men end up cheating on these girls due to lack of compatibility on a social and intellectual level a few years down the line.

Granted I will hand it to you that girls in medicine and residency are nothing to look at for the most part. I do encourage those I am friendly with to take better care and present themselves properly but this is a individual initiative. Even post call, a girl has no excuse looking ratty. I don't think there is ANYONE that can say that they ever interacted with me, in any circumstance, that I did not look proper and presentable.

Okay, this was off topic but the above post prompted a response🙂



hey tuts, I am willing to compromise. Does that make me the man you want me to be? Because I would be perfect for you. 😉
 
I didn't read the whole thread, so I apologize if my advice is redundant.

Try to answer this question - Are you a live-to-work or a work-to-live type of person? If you can answer that question accurately, then it will go a long way toward deciding if medical school is right for you.

If you are the former, then I don't think you'll find too many professions that can provide the financial security, personal satisfaction, and societal contribution that being a physician offers. If you are the latter, then there are better options than medicine.

The problem is that most people applying to medical school are young and in college. Their lives are defined to a large extent by preparing for and getting into medical school, so they think that they're the live-to-work type. A few years pass, they get married, maybe they have a few kids, and all of a sudden they realize that they're the work-to-live type of person. Medicine becomes just a job, and there aren't many people that will put up with the hassles of medicine if it's just a job. Of course, by then, they've committed years of their life and are probably several hundred thousand dollars in debt. Those aren't things that you exactly walk away from.

I'm definitely a work-to-live person. I feel fortunate that things worked out for me as they have. I've found a specialty that I can tolerate and that allows me to pay off my financial obligations and spend time with my family. If I had to do it over again, I doubt that I'd go into medicine though. I'd probably choose dentistry because the subject material is somewhat similar, the hours are humane, and the work environment is less stressful.
 
For me, the answer to this question has been changing over time. In medical school the answer was yes, absolutely. During residency, a qualified yes. Today? Meh.

I have been hired as an attending in the place where I did my fellowship, I am consistently treated as a subordinate instead of a peer. There is a reason that the phrase "Once a fellow, always a fellow" exists. Seeing that my present situation is not sustainable, I found a more lucrative position with more inherent flexibility and upward mobility 🙂. We'll have to move, for my job, for the third time in 6 years 🙁. Asking me if medicine is worth it while I’m packing my house-full of crap is probably going to result in a 4 letter litany preceding the response.
 
I just wanted to give my 2 cents as someone that's starting residency now - and I strongly advise anyone that has a personal interest in healthcare, science, learning or technology to take the plunge.

Medical school was great, it was a time to learn about genuinely interesting material and meet fantastic people. We had class parties every month (at least one), exercised regularly, and were all able to maintain or form new solid relationships.

This year (fourth year), I went to vegas, paris, and india with no problems in school (India/Paris were rotations), and have not had longer than an 8 hr day the entire year.

Third year had 2-4 difficult months - but it's difficult in that you work long hours - not mentally or emotionally difficult. Every person in their 20's-30's has worked 80-hour weeks. Man up.

The people that complain about medicine would complain about anything.

Medicine is on the one field where the determining factor for your career path is "what I like", more than "what will pay me". You'll make decent money regardless, and if you're interested in the "business of medicine" you can make a lot via ancillary means and simply by having a steady high, reliable revenue stream.

If you need "M.D." to get laid you've got other issues that go beyond the scope of this post.

I'm not even going into the satisfaction of doing a job where every morning you get started knowing you're needed and you're making a difference.

Plus scrubs make skinny people look jacked.
 
I'm in med school and thus far, totally worth it. It's been really tough at times, but I can't see myself doing anything else. I worked for a time before going to school and have noticed that people everywhere are unhappy with their work/lives/etc. Medicine is really tough but so is graduating with a degree in liberal arts and trying to pay off all your undergrad loans.
 
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