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[grindtime1]

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long story short, I hate surgery and I'm about to start the rotation. they work too much, sleep too little and have no time to do anything. I have zero interest in becoming a surgeon or even learning anything about it so from that standpoint, I'm not trying to go above and beyond and get a good evaluation or anything like that cus I don't give 2 sh**s about this specialty.

Otoh I loved my FM rotation....it was so easy, like 9-5 pm with 1.5 hr long lunch breaks, no weekends, no nights etc. so I tried to get decent to good evaluations on this rotation cus I could maybe see myself doing FM one day.

So question is....does it matter if I just dick around and half ass my surgery rotation and get bad or mediocre evals if I just wanna do FM or something that isn't Surgery? I also don't care about a top notch academic residency either, completely ok with a mediocre or bad residency as long as I get paid.


Thanks

 

[Gorne]

long story short, I hate surgery and I'm about to start the rotation. they work too much, sleep too little and have no time to do anything. I have zero interest in becoming a surgeon or even learning anything about it so from that standpoint, I'm not trying to go above and beyond and get a good evaluation or anything like that cus I don't give 2 sh**s about this specialty.

Otoh I loved my FM rotation....it was so easy, like 9-5 pm with 1.5 hr long lunch breaks, no weekends, no nights etc. so I tried to get decent to good evaluations on this rotation cus I could maybe see myself doing FM one day.

So question is....does it matter if I just dick around and half ass my surgery rotation and get bad or mediocre evals if I just wanna do FM or something that isn't Surgery? I also don't care about a top notch academic residency either, completely ok with a mediocre or bad residency as long as I get paid.


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Show up on time, be respectful, do what is asked of you. Whether or not u want to do surgery, going through it is a right of passage.

Residents/Attendings that catch on to your attitude will make your life hell, possibly even fail you.

 

[dpmd]

Probably falling for a troll here but on the off chance this is legit, FM and IM commonly need to refer patients to surgery. Even if you have no interest in becoming a surgeon you should have interest in learning about problems you will need to consult surgery for and the proper workup before doing so as well as the right type of surgeon to send them to. Aside from that, it is incredibly childish to have such a strong hatred for a specialty you haven't actually experienced yet. That combined with the comment about not caring about a bad residency as long as you get paid makes me hope you are a troll because if you are sincere you are in for some bad times ahead when the small amount you get paid in residency doesn't make up for the hassle and sacrifice it requires. Then you will be faced with the option to suffer through it and probably hate your career choice or bail and be in significant debt with no good way of repaying it.

 

[Anti-PD1]

If you do go into FM, this rotation will be the last time you get to experience cool surgeries and surgical technology (unless you do an OB fellowship). Try to enjoy it.

 

[Planes2Doc]

You should always go into rotations and try your best. Sure, you don't have to go above and beyond. But don't let it show that you hate it, and definitely don't try to be passive aggressive. Your rotation grade can be negatively impacted by this, as well as your dean's letter, and this will ultimately affect the rest of your residency application. Also, medicine is a small world. If the surgeon(s) and residents hate you, then they will tell other people that aren't surgeons. It's not an isolated thing that will have no consequences outside of surgerical residencies.

 

[grindtime1]

Probably falling for a troll here but on the off chance this is legit, FM and IM commonly need to refer patients to surgery. Even if you have no interest in becoming a surgeon you should have interest in learning about problems you will need to consult surgery for and the proper workup before doing so as well as the right type of surgeon to send them to. Aside from that, it is incredibly childish to have such a strong hatred for a specialty you haven't actually experienced yet. That combined with the comment about not caring about a bad residency as long as you get paid makes me hope you are a troll because if you are sincere you are in for some bad times ahead when the small amount you get paid in residency doesn't make up for the hassle and sacrifice it requires. Then you will be faced with the option to suffer through it and probably hate your career choice or bail and be in significant debt with no good way of repaying it.

I am not in any debt whatsoever, nor will I be graduating with any since my parents are fully funding my medical tuition......

 

[PlutoBoy]

Nice...

I'm not commenting on the merits of your approach but you can make this work. Let me know how it goes. Should be fun to let them know that you don't really care what they think 😛

 

[ACSurgeon]

long story short, I hate surgery and I'm about to start the rotation. they work too much, sleep too little and have no time to do anything. I have zero interest in becoming a surgeon or even learning anything about it so from that standpoint, I'm not trying to go above and beyond and get a good evaluation or anything like that cus I don't give 2 sh**s about this specialty.

Otoh I loved my FM rotation....it was so easy, like 9-5 pm with 1.5 hr long lunch breaks, no weekends, no nights etc. so I tried to get decent to good evaluations on this rotation cus I could maybe see myself doing FM one day.

So question is....does it matter if I just dick around and half ass my surgery rotation and get bad or mediocre evals if I just wanna do FM or something that isn't Surgery? I also don't care about a top notch academic residency either, completely ok with a mediocre or bad residency as long as I get paid.


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You should at a minimum go into this rotation and try to get out of it things that are crucial to being a good FM doctor. You need to know how surgical disease presents, the workup, and have a little insight into the patient's experience as they'll ask you in clinic. Also, as stated above, you need to know what kind of surgeon to refer to. Finally, your negative attitude will likely catch up to you sooner or later in training or later. Debt or no debt, you should take your training and patient care seriously enough to show up and do the job.

 

[ACSurgeon]

Probably falling for a troll here but on the off chance this is legit, FM and IM commonly need to refer patients to surgery. Even if you have no interest in becoming a surgeon you should have interest in learning about problems you will need to consult surgery for and the proper workup before doing so as well as the right type of surgeon to send them to. Aside from that, it is incredibly childish to have such a strong hatred for a specialty you haven't actually experienced yet. That combined with the comment about not caring about a bad residency as long as you get paid makes me hope you are a troll because if you are sincere you are in for some bad times ahead when the small amount you get paid in residency doesn't make up for the hassle and sacrifice it requires. Then you will be faced with the option to suffer through it and probably hate your career choice or bail and be in significant debt with no good way of repaying it.

Sadly, I bet he's not a troll.

 

[dpmd]

I am not in any debt whatsoever, nor will I be graduating with any since my parents are fully funding my medical tuition......

At least then bailing becomes a more feasible option, though why even bother if you are only looking for a FM residency because you figure it has minimal hours and want to get paid (hint: those two things don't really go together at least in the getting paid well sense)? You are basically asking to hate your life or quit.

 

[dpmd]

Sadly, I bet he's not a troll.

Yeah, someone who let mommy and daddy dictate his career path is seeming more likely now.

 

[grindtime1]

At least then bailing becomes a more feasible option, though why even bother if you are only looking for a FM residency because you figure it has minimal hours and want to get paid (hint: those two things don't really go together at least in the getting paid well sense)? You are basically asking to hate your life or quit.

I said get paid...not get paid a lot. I don't care if I make 100-150K a year cus I don't have any loans to pay off like you and other people...so after residency I don't really give a shi* if I only work like 30 hours a week or whatever and make 100-150K. Lifestyle matters more to me than money...I don't care about taking care of patients of saving lives and that shi*.

I'm just here to get a job basically.

 

[WhiteCoatWonder]

Show up on time, be respectful, do what is asked of you. Whether or not u want to do surgery, going through it is a right of passage.

Residents/Attendings that catch on to your attitude will make your life hell, possibly even fail you.

all these things, but especially the bold.

the most difficult part about M3 for me was all the fakery. from myself. having to behave in a way that was incongruent to what i actually felt/believed was THE WORST.

but...its a game. you gotta play or get played. smile about it now, cuss about it later. this is also a helpful life skill, as what you feel is never, ever, ever important in the workplace. not that your opinion is not important, mind you...but expressing your emotions in the form of poor performance or whatever is never going to be considered professional and wont win you any real allies. unless you both are in the corner or fired.

in addition to what the OP said, i thought this way early in rotations, (luckily i learned quickly about how to do all the aforementioned "fakery") BUT also remember that the evals from these guys can/will show up in your Dean's Letter/MSPE. a lot of the wisdom ive gotten states that some programs will pick up on the fact that you only did well in rotations that you liked, and that could come off as immature or unprofessional.

 

[dpmd]

I said get paid...not get paid a lot. I don't care if I make 100-150K a year cus I don't have any loans to pay off like you and other people...so after residency I don't really give a shi* if I only work like 30 hours a week or whatever and make 100-150K. Lifestyle matters more to me than money...I don't care about taking care of patients of saving lives and that shi*.

I'm just here to get a job basically.

Just seems like a lot of work to go through for a job you won't actually enjoy (and like I said residency is going to be a big disappointment to you when you realize it isn't the cush hours you are looking for). But go ahead and work a job you hate for 100k (if you can even find a job making that money for basically part time work). I'll keep enjoying my part time self employment that brings in more than three times that (and my loan burden is minimal due to scholarships and locked in at sub 2% interest rates).

 

[NotAProgDirector]

Do you want to train in any FM residency? Or do you want to be in the FM residency of your choice? Because if the latter, you want as good grades as you can get in everything.

Also, what happens if you do a rotation in some other specialty and end up falling in love with it? A bad surgery grade could kill your chances at another field. And failing surgery, which definitely can happen if the surgeons decide you're just lazy and checked out, will definitely affect your future choices.

Bottom line: residencies look at all of your grades. I run an IM program (not FM), but a surgery clerkship grade in the bottom 25% of the class would cause an (almost) automatic rejection from my program. If you want to go to a high quality FM program, you need to do as well as possible.

Second bottom line: If you come to a residency with a "do the minimum possible to get by" attitude, you could easily find yourself kicked out of the program. And that would likely be a career ender. And if you think you can hide it, you can't.

 

[grindtime1]

Do you want to train in any FM residency? Or do you want to be in the FM residency of your choice? Because if the latter, you want as good grades as you can get in everything.

Also, what happens if you do a rotation in some other specialty and end up falling in love with it? A bad surgery grade could kill your chances at another field. And failing surgery, which definitely can happen if the surgeons decide you're just lazy and checked out, will definitely affect your future choices.

Bottom line: residencies look at all of your grades. I run an IM program (not FM), but a surgery clerkship grade in the bottom 25% of the class would cause an (almost) automatic rejection from my program. If you want to go to a high quality FM program, you need to do as well as possible.

Second bottom line: If you come to a residency with a "do the minimum possible to get by" attitude, you could easily find yourself kicked out of the program. And that would likely be a career ender. And if you think you can hide it, you can't.

As mentioned already above, just any residency will do. I don't have any dream residency whatsoever and am literally just doing medicine cus it guarantees me a 6-figure job.

I also know that specialities like Surgery and OB/Gyn are pathetic with the sweatshop/slave like hours they are required to work and I want nothing to do with them.

I'll be alright.

 

[xffan624]

long story short, I hate surgery and I'm about to start the rotation. they work too much, sleep too little and have no time to do anything. I have zero interest in becoming a surgeon or even learning anything about it so from that standpoint, I'm not trying to go above and beyond and get a good evaluation or anything like that cus I don't give 2 sh**s about this specialty.

Otoh I loved my FM rotation....it was so easy, like 9-5 pm with 1.5 hr long lunch breaks, no weekends, no nights etc. so I tried to get decent to good evaluations on this rotation cus I could maybe see myself doing FM one day.

So question is....does it matter if I just dick around and half ass my surgery rotation and get bad or mediocre evals if I just wanna do FM or something that isn't Surgery? I also don't care about a top notch academic residency either, completely ok with a mediocre or bad residency as long as I get paid.


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My surgery rotation was my last one of 3rd year and I knew by then I had no interest so my attitude was definitely of the IDGAF variety. Funnily enough, surgery was my best rotation because of this. I took the attitude that I'm required to be here for x amount of time so I might as well learn something. In the meanwhile, I got along with the attendings great because I didn't have the asskisser med school attitude and I just talked to them like people. I also adapted to the OR environment pretty well, especially the heirarchy (I attribute that to my military background). Now granted, I had a pretty chill rotation. Didn't have to present patients or run the list as some 3rd years are expected to do. I spent most of the time in the OR where I adapted well. Despite having zero desire to pursue a surgery career.

 

[BarcaBest23]

4 yrs of med school without pay, plus 3 of bad pay so you can get mediocre pay with mediocre hours.... you're not winning bro

 

[Planes2Doc]

As mentioned already above, just any residency will do. I don't have any dream residency whatsoever and am literally just doing medicine cus it guarantees me a 6-figure job.

I also know that specialities like Surgery and OB/Gyn are pathetic with the sweatshop/slave like hours they are required to work and I want nothing to do with them.

I'll be alright.

Things have gotten way harder for EVERYONE to match. Too many schools with stagnant residency spots. I know people that went unmatched for rural FM. There is no more getting into family medicine or psychiatry by simply having a pulse.

 

[Bobcat18]

You're exhausting.

long story short, I hate surgery and I'm about to start the rotation. they work too much, sleep too little and have no time to do anything. I have zero interest in becoming a surgeon or even learning anything about it so from that standpoint, I'm not trying to go above and beyond and get a good evaluation or anything like that cus I don't give 2 sh**s about this specialty.

Otoh I loved my FM rotation....it was so easy, like 9-5 pm with 1.5 hr long lunch breaks, no weekends, no nights etc. so I tried to get decent to good evaluations on this rotation cus I could maybe see myself doing FM one day.

So question is....does it matter if I just dick around and half ass my surgery rotation and get bad or mediocre evals if I just wanna do FM or something that isn't Surgery? I also don't care about a top notch academic residency either, completely ok with a mediocre or bad residency as long as I get paid.


Thanks

I am not in any debt whatsoever, nor will I be graduating with any since my parents are fully funding my medical tuition......

I said get paid...not get paid a lot. I don't care if I make 100-150K a year cus I don't have any loans to pay off like you and other people...so after residency I don't really give a shi* if I only work like 30 hours a week or whatever and make 100-150K. Lifestyle matters more to me than money...I don't care about taking care of patients of saving lives and that shi*.

I'm just here to get a job basically.

As mentioned already above, just any residency will do. I don't have any dream residency whatsoever and am literally just doing medicine cus it guarantees me a 6-figure job.

I also know that specialities like Surgery and OB/Gyn are pathetic with the sweatshop/slave like hours they are required to work and I want nothing to do with them.

I'll be alright.

 

[NavyDoc23]

I had a somewhat similar attitude to starting my surg rotation a year ago - I was convinced I would hate it. The hours would suck. I would be treated like crap and so on. However, it ended up being one of my favorite rotations, partially due to the fact my preceptor was great. If you want to do FM, you will need to know how to suture, do a proper abdominal exam, know some indications for referring to surgery, etc. Don't slack off - if I have learned anything about surgery, it's the fact they appreciate hard workers. Don't complain. If you are miserable, it's only for ~6 weeks or however long your rotation is. You'll survive. Just don't be a butthole.

 

[NeurologyHopeful2018]

Do you want to train in any FM residency? Or do you want to be in the FM residency of your choice? Because if the latter, you want as good grades as you can get in everything.

Also, what happens if you do a rotation in some other specialty and end up falling in love with it? A bad surgery grade could kill your chances at another field. And failing surgery, which definitely can happen if the surgeons decide you're just lazy and checked out, will definitely affect your future choices.

Bottom line: residencies look at all of your grades. I run an IM program (not FM), but a surgery clerkship grade in the bottom 25% of the class would cause an (almost) automatic rejection from my program. If you want to go to a high quality FM program, you need to do as well as possible.

Second bottom line: If you come to a residency with a "do the minimum possible to get by" attitude, you could easily find yourself kicked out of the program. And that would likely be a career ender. And if you think you can hide it, you can't.

I only got Pass on my surgery clerkship - bottom 25% - am I screwed?

 

[sinombre]

Things have gotten way harder for EVERYONE to match. Too many schools with stagnant residency spots. I know people that went unmatched for rural FM. There is no more getting into family medicine or psychiatry by simply having a pulse.

Eh I'm not so sure about that. I think US MD students still have a really easy time in those specialties. I have several classmates who had red flags who still matched at big name family med and psychiatry programs. Admittedly this is anecdotal and I could be wrong.

 

[Crayola227]

I said get paid...not get paid a lot. I don't care if I make 100-150K a year cus I don't have any loans to pay off like you and other people...so after residency I don't really give a shi* if I only work like 30 hours a week or whatever and make 100-150K. Lifestyle matters more to me than money...I don't care about taking care of patients of saving lives and that shi*.

I'm just here to get a job basically.

OK, so troll or idiot.

Physician is not a good job to get into for money, because the money vs hassle ratio doesn't make it worth it. Do it because it's a calling.

There are better jobs out there. I was urged to go into business or finance if money was my main goal.

 

[Crayola227]

God, especially an idiot if you're picking primary care just "for a job."

Good luck with that.

 

[DPTinthemaking15]

Sigh... This person is going to be a physician one day.

 

[grindtime1]

OK, so troll or idiot.

Physician is not a good job to get into for money, because the money vs hassle ratio doesn't make it worth it. Do it because it's a calling.

There are better jobs out there. I was urged to go into business or finance if money was my main goal.

Um, clear idiot here....

Business or finance? LOL. Average business or finance guy won't even clear 50K. Physician is the perfect job to make money, and no it's not a calling to me. Too bad for you.

 

[akinetopsia]

Um, clear idiot here....

Business or finance? LOL. Average business or finance guy won't even clear 50K. Physician is the perfect job to make money, and no it's not a calling to me. Too bad for you.

If the "average business or finance guy" isn't clearing 50K, they're bad at business or bad at finance, or working an extremely limited schedule. I have friends that graduated with finance degrees that had first job offers after graduation over 60K, and that was several years ago.

 

[dpmd]

If the "average business or finance guy" isn't clearing 50K, they're bad at business or bad at finance, or working an extremely limited schedule. I have friends that graduated with finance degrees that had first job offers after graduation over 60K, and that was several years ago.

Even if it is 50k, it would be better to earn that sooner and avoid the pain of med school and residency. Especially if he could then talk mommy and daddy into just giving him the money they would otherwise have paid for school.

 

[grindtime1]

Even if it is 50k, it would be better to earn that sooner and avoid the pain of med school and residency. Especially if he could then talk mommy and daddy into just giving him the money they would otherwise have paid for school.

Um not really..... 50K sucks and that's generally what most business and finance people make.... maybe 60-70K if you're lucky. Anything higher than that is an outlier/exception to the norm, but it's not what most business/finance people make. Basically you make as a resident what the majority of business/finance people cap out at for their careers, with much greater demand and job stability than business/finance as well.

Your parents are poor unlike mine, therefore you have to pay for your own medical education and have to deal with the "pain" of med school and residency and like a lot of others need to pay off significant loans/debt well after you finish residency and start earning a practicing physician's salary.... i don't have those concerns to worry about so the medicine route still makes way more sense than business/finance if money and job security is my only concern.

 

[dpmd]

Um not really..... 50K sucks and that's generally what most business and finance people make.... maybe 60-70K if you're lucky. Anything higher than that is an outlier/exception to the norm, but it's not what most business/finance people make. Basically you make as a resident what the majority of business/finance people cap out at for their careers, with much greater demand and job stability than business/finance as well.

Your parents are poor unlike mine, therefore you have to pay for your own medical education and have to deal with the "pain" of med school and residency and like a lot of others need to pay off significant loans/debt well after you finish residency and start earning a practicing physician's salary.... i don't have those concerns to worry about so the medicine route still makes way more sense than business/finance if money and job security is my only concern.

Med school and residency wasn't a pain for me because I like medicine and enjoy what I do. Meanwhile your entire career will be pain if you hate what you do. You seem to keep going back to the whole loans thing like it is supposed to make me feel bad, but my first year out of residency I earned 3 times what you are shooting for (and did so without working more than 40hrs a week and with a few months of vacation) so that basically took care of the difference in net worth between us at graduation. Besides, I think you will find job security to be more of a concern if you want to minimize work and don't care about the patients.

 

[OrthoTraumaMD]

As mentioned already above, just any residency will do. I don't have any dream residency whatsoever and am literally just doing medicine cus it guarantees me a 6-figure job.

I also know that specialities like Surgery and OB/Gyn are pathetic with the sweatshop/slave like hours they are required to work and I want nothing to do with them.

I'll be alright.

Wow. If not a troll, it's pretty sad that someone like this took a spot from someone who actually respected the profession and what it entails, and not just for the money. The six figure thing becomes pretty laughable when you factor in taxes and Uncle Sam takes 30-40% away.

 

[neoevolution]

my first year out of residency I earned 3 times what you are shooting for (and did so without working more than 40hrs a week and with a few months of vacation)

Derm/radiology/EM?

 

[Stagg737]

As mentioned already above, just any residency will do. I don't have any dream residency whatsoever and am literally just doing medicine cus it guarantees me a 6-figure job.

I also know that specialities like Surgery and OB/Gyn are pathetic with the sweatshop/slave like hours they are required to work and I want nothing to do with them.

I'll be alright.

The only thing pathetic here is the crap attitude you have towards medicine. No, it doesn't have to be your life's passion, but it should at least be something you get some sort of enjoyment out of and have some reason for doing other than "just a paycheck". If that's really your attitude, no one is going to want to work with you and you'll be working with patients who are just as miserable as you'll end up being.

Um not really..... 50K sucks and that's generally what most business and finance people make.... maybe 60-70K if you're lucky. Anything higher than that is an outlier/exception to the norm, but it's not what most business/finance people make. Basically you make as a resident what the majority of business/finance people cap out at for their careers, with much greater demand and job stability than business/finance as well.

Your parents are poor unlike mine, therefore you have to pay for your own medical education and have to deal with the "pain" of med school and residency and like a lot of others need to pay off significant loans/debt well after you finish residency and start earning a practicing physician's salary.... i don't have those concerns to worry about so the medicine route still makes way more sense than business/finance if money and job security is my only concern.

The bolded is absolute BS, especially in the finance sector. None of my friends who actually got business or finance majors got less than 50k out of college (other than the one that started his own company), most made in that 60-70k range, and some even started at 6 figures. Granted, the point about job security is true, but saying that a person is in business or finance is lucky to pull in 60k is a joke. Besides, I'd rather be making 60k/yr and enjoy what I do than make 6 figures doing something that makes me miserable.

 

[dpmd]

Derm/radiology/EM?

General surgery actually. Turns out if you don't want to live in a big name city you get to avoid traffic and other hassle while making more money.

 

[valid username]

long story short, I hate surgery and I'm about to start the rotation. they work too much, sleep too little and have no time to do anything. I have zero interest in becoming a surgeon or even learning anything about it so from that standpoint, I'm not trying to go above and beyond and get a good evaluation or anything like that cus I don't give 2 sh**s about this specialty

I was not/am not interested in surgery. However, I went in with the attitude that there was tons for me to learn because this would be my only exposure to surgery. Besides that, I paid a lot of money for that rotation. The thing is, we have core rotations for a reason. It matters to your future patients. As a family physician you will regularly clear people for surgery. Surely you do not believe that you already have mastered what you need to know to be a good family physician.

I want to go into psychiatry--but I learned tons in my surgery rotation. And the long hours? Wear compression socks, drink some coffee, and when you feel tired consider yourself lucky for getting a better bargain.

 

[valid username]

Sigh... This person is going to be a physician one day.

True, because even with this attitude he will be taken over a hard-working Caribbean student. I hooe his patients are not harmed.

 

[BarcaBest23]

Um not really..... 50K sucks and that's generally what most business and finance people make.... maybe 60-70K if you're lucky. Anything higher than that is an outlier/exception to the norm, but it's not what most business/finance people make. Basically you make as a resident what the majority of business/finance people cap out at for their careers, with much greater demand and job stability than business/finance as well.

Your parents are poor unlike mine, therefore you have to pay for your own medical education and have to deal with the "pain" of med school and residency and like a lot of others need to pay off significant loans/debt well after you finish residency and start earning a practicing physician's salary.... i don't have those concerns to worry about so the medicine route still makes way more sense than business/finance if money and job security is my only concern.

lol wut? you keep getting dumber with every post. Just think about the business administrators at whatever hospital/group you belong to later as a FM doc and realize they are probably making more than you without the years of lost wages from school. If you look up average wages for finance people they will always show up lower than what they are on purpose, that is BASE salary; the real bucks come from bonuses/commission

 

[valid username]

Generally, people who control the money reward themselves with a nice portion of the money. I really hope you're a troll.

 

[valid username]

Grindtime1, how did you get into medical school? Did your feelings about medicine change recently? Did you interview in person?

 

[grindtime1]

Grindtime1, how did you get into medical school? Did your feelings about medicine change recently? Did you interview in person?

to be honest i used to be like most other people here with a strong interest in medicine and learning..... but got so sick and tired of the constant amount of work, sleep deprivation/fatigue and lack of free time to enjoy and do other things in life after M1 and M2 year that i became very disillusioned with the field. it felt like i just sacrificed and wasted 2 full years of my life. i knew it would be hard but didn't expect it to be this bad.....i could've easily done something easier that allows for way more free time and a regular life like a graduate school/Ph.D program or something.

from that standpoint as i'm in my 3rd year now, i have greatly appreciated my rotations of FM, Psychiatry and Pediatrics where hours were very, very laid back and I had time to enjoy life like a normal person.... weekends off, sleeping in etc.

you will see that my disgust towards the workload and lack of time is not anything unique to myself. a significant (and i mean significant) percentage of physicians surveyed have said they regret going into medicine and if they could turn back the clock, would choose a different field.

 

[valid username]

Thank you for your honest answer. Have you talked to any of your friends or family about how you feel? You aren't obligated to be a doctor just because you went to medical school--especially since you aren't in debt. Have you read about other career options that start with an MD?

I hear you about liking the laid back schedule that you saw in a few rotations. However, please consider scheduling a 10 minute appt with any of those attendings. Ask them if they do any work after eveyone leaves and if so, how much? Ask about how they started in the business. Getting patients can be hard work. Find out how long it took them to get to their current schedule. Before deciding you are ready to five into an FM career make sure your picture of the first ten years or so is accurate.

Being a little on the lazy side is not a crime, but it is not a good characteristic for a new doctor. Notice hos many physicians seem to be on the energetic side of the spectrum. That's not coincidence.

Of course, I'm just an M4, so I may be way off. Actually I'm only an IMG so I'm completely unqualified to express anything but an opinion. Even so, my opinion is that you have options and you will benefit from investigating those options.

Hopefully you aren't serious about dicking around during surgery though. That's a bad idea.

 

[Stagg737]

to be honest i used to be like most other people here with a strong interest in medicine and learning..... but got so sick and tired of the constant amount of work, sleep deprivation/fatigue and lack of free time to enjoy and do other things in life after M1 and M2 year that i became very disillusioned with the field. it felt like i just sacrificed and wasted 2 full years of my life. i knew it would be hard but didn't expect it to be this bad.....i could've easily done something easier that allows for way more free time and a regular life like a graduate school/Ph.D program or something.

from that standpoint as i'm in my 3rd year now, i have greatly appreciated my rotations of FM, Psychiatry and Pediatrics where hours were very, very laid back and I had time to enjoy life like a normal person.... weekends off, sleeping in etc.

you will see that my disgust towards the workload and lack of time is not anything unique to myself. a significant (and i mean significant) percentage of physicians surveyed have said they regret going into medicine and if they could turn back the clock, would choose a different field.

If you'd started with this post instead of your actual OP you'd probably have taken a lot less flack from people here (myself included) than you have. That being said, you're going to have to put up with BS in the real world no matter what your profession is. Dealing with it gracefully is an art, and one that comes in very handy in many situations.

Addressing the bolded: Do you enjoy the actual work? At this point you'd normally be at/near the point of no return financially, but since you've got no debt it's not too late to pursue that PhD if you really want to (fair warning, the outlook is a lot worse for many of them than medicine is) or try for some other aspect of medicine like administration or consulting. If you don't enjoy family med and don't care about being a decent doc, why do it?

 

[NotAProgDirector]

As mentioned already above, just any residency will do. I don't have any dream residency whatsoever and am literally just doing medicine cus it guarantees me a 6-figure job.

I also know that specialities like Surgery and OB/Gyn are pathetic with the sweatshop/slave like hours they are required to work and I want nothing to do with them.

I'll be alright.

I don't think you're alone in going into medicine for the job security and salary.

Note that the fields you're talking about have terrible hours while in residency, but as already pointed out on this thread, you can then "make your own hours" after you graduate. But from your other posts, I get the sense that you're not willing to put up with crazy hours even for a short while -- and that's totally fine.

But remember this: If you do poorly on your clerkships / USMLE / other because you put in a minimum amount of time and then match to FM, you might end up in a "worse" program, which might mean working more hours / worse working conditions. But the opposite might be true also -- if you're willing to go to an FM residency in a geographically unpopular location, the working hours might actually be better (as an incentive for people to go there). So it really depends upon what you'd need to be happy as a resident, but the better you do in school, the more options you'll have.

 

[ShyGuy0082]

Um not really..... 50K sucks and that's generally what most business and finance people make.... maybe 60-70K if you're lucky. Anything higher than that is an outlier/exception to the norm, but it's not what most business/finance people make. Basically you make as a resident what the majority of business/finance people cap out at for their careers, with much greater demand and job stability than business/finance as well.

Your parents are poor unlike mine, therefore you have to pay for your own medical education and have to deal with the "pain" of med school and residency and like a lot of others need to pay off significant loans/debt well after you finish residency and start earning a practicing physician's salary.... i don't have those concerns to worry about so the medicine route still makes way more sense than business/finance if money and job security is my only concern.

Says the guy who doesn't have either of those degrees. Finance and business people don't max out 50-60k. You are either being ignorant or just an idiot. I've been in the work force for more than 25 years. People with those degrees and 3-5 years of experience easily make 6 figures.

I can't believe this idiot will be someone's doctor in the future. Although I hope he's just a troll.