Meharry's Response to Hartford Article

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?We hold all Meharry students to the same standards as any of the nation?s other medical schools,? continued Dr. Maupin. ?At Meharry, more than 97 percent of first-time takers passed Step II of the USMLE in 2003. Residency directors throughout the country view Meharry graduates as outstanding candidates for their programs, and our students have been chosen for residencies at prestigious programs such as Stanford University, Johns Hopkins University and others. About 86 percent of the Class of 2003 was accepted at their first, second or third choice in residency programs, compared to about 82 percent nationally.
 
Just curious, does Meharry have a combined med/dental school? Why is their president a DDS?
 
Dear Iron Horse,

Meharry has a medical school, dental school, graduate school and a joint program with Tennessee State University for Allied Health professions.

Dr. John Maupin, D.D.S. graduated from the dental school.


President's Welcome

Take Care!
 
Meharry is a great school I had many friends go there. They'll get their rep back up in no time.
 
The newspaper contacted Meharry in advance of the story for comment, but refused to allow College representatives to see the data it claimed it had gathered.

Well, are you claiming the data is wrong? If so, what about is wrong?

The newspaper is under no obligation to turn over its data set to you. They are under an obligation to at least try and contact Meharry for a response, which they satisfied.

The newspaper said it had ?concerns about putting proprietary information and exclusive data in a format that could be reproduced,? even though Meharry Medical College guaranteed that the information would remain confidential.

Oh please, quit whining and own up to the problem that your school has.

Meharry President John E. Maupin, Jr., D.D.S., reaffirmed both the College?s support of its alumni and the quality of the medical education provided. ?We take sharp issue with the Courant article,? Dr. Maupin said. ?Medical school is one of many steps to becoming a doctor, and a complex set of variables and other experiences ? from residency and fellowship programs to building a practice ? influence a doctor's performance after graduation.

Irrelevant. Just because there are other steps in doctor training does NOT mean that med school connection to disciplinary problems cant be studied.

This is a class red herring tactic. Instead of using red herrings, perhaps you could address the real issue at hand.


?We hold all Meharry students to the same standards as any of the nation?s other medical schools,? continued Dr. Maupin.

How do you explain the disciplinary rate discrepancy then? Clearly there is a problem with the training at Meharry.

If Meharry really was equivalent to the other med schools, their disciplinary rates would be roughly equal. The fact that your disciplinary rate is nearly 10X higher than other med schools speaks volumes.

?At Meharry, more than 97 percent of first-time takers passed Step II of the USMLE in 2003.

So what? Passing the USMLE means NOTHING in terms of disciplinary action

Residency directors throughout the country view Meharry graduates as outstanding candidates for their programs

thats questionable at best

and our students have been chosen for residencies at prestigious programs such as Stanford University, Johns Hopkins University and others.

UAG, SGU, and Manila university claim the same. Is that comparison supposed to make Meharry stand out?

About 86 percent of the Class of 2003 was accepted at their first, second or third choice in residency programs, compared to about 82 percent nationally.

Irrelevant--again this has nothing to do with disciplinary rates

?Meharry would never protect any graduate whose performance is substandard. However, this article uses simplistic methodology and makes conclusions that are unfair and capricious in nature.

Classic tactic to avoid the real issue--instead of elucidating you just say that its flawed.

You have a serious problem and need to take steps to see that its fixed. Ignoring it and claiming there is no problem will not make it go away.

?Newspaper articles come and go. Meharry, however, has thrived for over 126 years and will continue its threefold mission of providing excellent education and training in the health sciences, delivering high quality patient-centered health services, and conducting research that fosters improved health outcomes and the elimination of health disparities.?

Oh right. I guess the patients who suffered 10X more disciplinary actions than other med schools can take solace in that Meharry has been around for 126 years.

I seriously doubt the victims of your graduates incompetence/negligence/disciplinary problems agree with your claim of "delivering high quality" care.

Get off your freaking high horse--you are NOT absolved of all responsiblility or blame just because you are Meharry.
 
MacGyver what is your issue with Meharry? You are not only shallow but incredibly misinformed and a master in the arts of slandering. From what I see you should be investing your time in your medical education rather than posting inaccurate and bias post on this website that have absolutely no credibility or weight. If you are going to practice medicine the way you gather and twist your information then I feel sorry for those poor souls who will be your patients. You Yo-Yo in your line of reasoning claiming that USMLE step one means nothing yet if Meharry had a poor passing rate you would waste no time in incorporating it into your venous attacks on the school. Obviously you have some form of inadequacies in your life or training since you find pleasure attacking and belittling other schools and fellow SDN members. Meharry has the right to defend itself and its record, to disregard their inquiry on the data is ridiculous. If anyone made allegations against you wouldn?t you want to see where and how this information was collected? Meharry has every right to challenge the report and investigate its conclusion, where would science be without the litmus test of peer review? So keep your biases and misinformation to yourself since you have done enough stainting and damage to fellow SDN members who have read your trash which belongs in the National Inquire.
 
Does anyone know how Meharry students perform on Step I of the USMLE? What is the Step I pass rate among first-time takers at Meharry? They give their Step II pass rate for first time takers, but not their Step I pass rate.

My assumption is that their Step I pass rate among first time takers is probably not very high, as compared to other U.S. medical schools. One has to wonder why this data wasn't mentioned in their president's response.
 
Originally posted by Harry Truman
Does anyone know how Meharry students perform on Step I of the USMLE? What is the Step I pass rate among first-time takers at Meharry? They give their Step II pass rate for first time takers, but not their Step I pass rate.

My assumption is that their Step I pass rate among first time takers is probably not very high, as compared to other U.S. medical schools. One has to wonder why this data wasn't mentioned in their president's response.

I was wondering that too. I thought most (95%) students pass Step II anyway.

It's kind of like the police responding to criticism by saying that jaywalking incidents decreased 10% this year.
 
I agree with the above posters.

I think the only real problem is when an administration refuses to admit that there's a crisis. Turning a blind eye to students failing or student misconduct does not make the problems go away. If Meharry wants to improve it's image, it needs to start by recognizing that severe problems exist, and that it needs to resolve them. Improving their admissions standards would be a good place to start.
 
What do you people think Meharry's pass rate is? Better yet, what pass rate would be acceptable? I'm sure th fact that it's not 100% is a HUGE problem.🙄
 
Originally posted by MSTP boy
I think the only real problem is when an administration refuses to admit that there's a crisis. Turning a blind eye to students failing or student misconduct does not make the problems go away. If Meharry wants to improve it's image, it needs to start by recognizing that severe problems exist, and that it needs to resolve them. Improving their admissions standards would be a good place to start.

Right on.

How did Meharry's response in any way refute or discredit the study? The fact of the matter is that everyone, deep down, knows that the article hit on a serious problem. Like any school, Meharry produces good doctors and bad doctors. However, instead of taking these allegations seriously or questioning their validity by providing evidence to dispute the findings, Meharry's administration is pretending that no problem exists. This is irresponsible, and I hope that Meharry students are offended that their institution takes such little interest in their future careers.

Howard was also named in the article -- how did they respond?
 
Originally posted by fernj1975
MacGyver what is your issue with Meharry? You are not only shallow but incredibly misinformed and a master in the arts of slandering. From what I see you should be investing your time in your medical education rather than posting inaccurate and bias post on this website that have absolutely no credibility or weight. If you are going to practice medicine the way you gather and twist your information then I feel sorry for those poor souls who will be your patients. You Yo-Yo in your line of reasoning claiming that USMLE step one means nothing yet if Meharry had a poor passing rate you would waste no time in incorporating it into your venous attacks on the school. Obviously you have some form of inadequacies in your life or training since you find pleasure attacking and belittling other schools and fellow SDN members. Meharry has the right to defend itself and its record, to disregard their inquiry on the data is ridiculous. If anyone made allegations against you wouldn?t you want to see where and how this information was collected? Meharry has every right to challenge the report and investigate its conclusion, where would science be without the litmus test of peer review? So keep your biases and misinformation to yourself since you have done enough stainting and damage to fellow SDN members who have read your trash which belongs in the National Inquire.

I read through MacGyver's post, and I just couldn't find the "venous" (???) slander. would you mind pointing it out to me? You must have done a Masters degree in spinning, because nowhere in your response is even an attempt to explain the simple statistic. Sure, meharry has the right to defend itself. However, you have the obligation to back up your argument as well
 
Originally posted by fernj1975
You are not only shallow but incredibly misinformed and a master in the arts of slandering.

Obviously you have some form of inadequacies in your life or training since you find pleasure attacking and belittling other schools and fellow SDN members.

So keep your biases and misinformation to yourself since you have done enough stainting and damage to fellow SDN members who have read your trash which belongs in the National Inquire.

Ad hominem fallacy fern. Instead of launching personal attacks against MacGuyver, why don't you stick to the argument at hand?
 
Originally posted by pathdr2b
What do you people think Meharry's pass rate is? Better yet, what pass rate would be acceptable? I'm sure th fact that it's not 100% is a HUGE problem.🙄


You're joking, right? A 95% pass rate is okay. In fact, I would say that an 85% pass rate is okay. But when we're talking a 70% pass rate among first-time takers of USMLE Step I, I would say there is a serious problem at Meharry.

My question remains: What is their Step I pass rate among first-time takers??
 
Originally posted by doepug
Right on.

How did Meharry's response in any way refute or discredit the study? The fact of the matter is that everyone, deep down, knows that the article hit on a serious problem. Like any school, Meharry produces good doctors and bad doctors. However, instead of taking these allegations seriously or questioning their validity by providing evidence to dispute the findings, Meharry's administration is pretending that no problem exists. This is irresponsible, and I hope that Meharry students are offended that their institution takes such little interest in their future careers.

Howard was also named in the article -- how did they respond?

I agree and disagree. I believe that Meharry as do other med schools has problems which they MUST take care of, but I do not think the administration is pretending that there are no problems. They are responding to an article that they feel is not accurate. You can't blame the school for responding and putting their own argument and data forward. It is the responsible thing to do. They do have to take the allegation seriously. The allegation is treading on the future of the school. With all these said, Meharry should improve not in terms of quality of education but administrative issues such as getting acceptance/rejection letters on time, etc.
 
I have never heard a number for first time test takers at Meharry, but when I interviewed there, the step 1 OVERALL pass rate was only in the low 80's (can't remember exact number). Not to dish on Meharry, but to me this represents something disturbing in that over 10% of people admitted to Meharry will never complete their medical eduacation and that number is most likely closer to 20%.
This was one of the reasons I withdrew my application. I mean, we work so hard to get into medical school. I at least want to know that I have a good chance of succeeding once admitted
 
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