MGMA?
Started by painfree23
i guess the rest of the country isnt like new jersey
Haha truth..northeast in general. Pain docs in NY making 225k
Never understood that. If area saturated, work elsewhere. If local practices paying garbage and area not saturated, open own clinic.
Idk that it’s that easy in a saturated area to just “open something up.” What kind of start up capital do you have on hand. What are your family’s needs? I know some docs that were able to do it, but they had either a spouse with cash to back them up or came from money or didn’t have loans or something. The work elsewhere also a lot easier to put off if single or without kids, etc
plus you have to get on insurance panels, start up costs, risk, etc.
also -- and this is a foreign concept to many -- a lot of people dont want to work in the middle of nowhere. or their SO's dont want them to.
90th 964k median 536k
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Elsewhere is outside of the NE. It's not just the big cities but the surrounding areas also pay the same.
People stay in an area because they or their families are committed to the area.
Even if you open your own clinic, there are other factors that prevent a private practice from making tons more money than competitors.
If this were easy - well, it would have been done already.
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Does anyone have regional data for the southwest/mountain region?
Does anybody have the RVU data? with the salaries? as in RVU numbers by percentile...
ask chatgpt - i feel like it gives a reasonable breakdown of average range based on MGMA data
already tried, it didnt seem accurate...
Bump.
Anyone have the 2025 MGMA data (national and/or Northeast)?
Anyone have the 2025 MGMA data (national and/or Northeast)?
Is mgma total comp or just salary? Also any info for the North West?
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salary plus bonus
Intended to be total comp, but they are compiling/publishing whatever info is sent to them (GIGO applies).
sign up for an account with www.marithealth.com and you'll get access to 2025 MGMA data now
MGMA is becoming increasingly irrelevant.
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Not to knock a gift horse but are these Marit people sharing the MGMA data legally? It’s one thing to get free screenshots off SDN by friendly colleagues, it’s another for a formal business venture to do the same thing.
The data should be widely available. These major organizations have done a great job of monetizing our information. It’s bull****
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Is this actually the legit mgma data? There aren’t too many contributions/“n” for pain.
Anybody actually getting 75/wrvu? I’m at 71
yes there's a statement regarding not sharing the information and they answer this specific question. I was surprised they were willing to give it away for simply contributing to their data set, but there it is.
Hi there - This is Rob, the physician founder of Marit. Yes - this data is being made available under strict licensing arrangement and is available only for verified clinicians for their own specialty alongside Marit salaries. It is free for a limited time. You can read more about this in our blog post here as well - Unlocking MGMA for Free: Another Step Toward Pay Transparency
The licensing requires that the data is only accessed by verified clinicians, and is for personal consumption only, so please do not post screenshots. You can "gift" it to a friend through the site
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I was getting more than that until last year when they cut us down
that's why Marit is important, real data from physicians
I’m getting 80 wRVU as 1099 though. So I bring cases to hospital (2 half days/month)
I’m close. 74
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im 65
$66 in the South west
Ohio- the 80 wRVU is my side hustle. My APP who sees patients 2days/month at hospital gets 60$/wRVU that goes in my LLC- sweet gig which I wouldn’t have been able to negotiate without a surgeon helping me.
My real job is a W2.
80/wrvu is a good deal for the hospital for procedures. 60/wrvu is a screaming deal for you for providing a midlevel. She pays for herself with one patient per hour probably.
Paging drusso
Careful now, or this might sound a bit like socialized medicine 😉
The class action should be in regards to hospitals limiting pay to 90% even when you perform work above that level.
I'm in private practice in the SE, pain mgmt. In 2024, I did 12,942 wRVU's by myself and 21,824 with two midlevels. And I got paid 550k last year on a 1099. So paying my own benefits and 401k plan. Correct me if Im wrong but that amounts to $42.50/wRVU. It seems as though Im getting screwed pretty well here. Am I missing something?
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Correct. That’s terrible
Terrible, you're worth more than a million after tax with your work
Correct. What's more, you are exposed to all the potential downside/liability for 2 midlevels with no upside.
Putting in my notice today.
so if they say they collected $1.3 million in wRVU collections, how much of that am I supposed to be entitled to?
Terrible... that should be close to 1M by 13k wRVU itself for HOPD docs not including all benefits as W2. Two midlevel supervision is also another 30-40k a year.
you are entitled to whatever the market says.
your only leverage is your ability to walk away. they can pay you whatever they want.
I mean I understand that but what would be reasonable to ask for? The whole 1.3 million? Or some percentage of that?
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We will need information about where the cases are done and who gets paid who then pays you. My emr is not good at calculating rvu’s accurately. Are you sure the number is reasonably correct?
These are based on a case log that the practice keeps based on cpt codes billed and collected. They're the ones who gave me the numbers. Cases are all done in clinic. The clinic gets paid and then they pay me. They were slick enough not to include wRVU numbers though. I had to figure that out myself based on the conversion factor for each procedure. Like for instance an SIJ injection=1.48 wRVU's times the number of those I did for the year = total number of RVU's I did just with SIJ's for the year. Then I added all those up. 12942 wRVU's just me. I mean, Im busting my ass.
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