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I see now. Thank you. It seems the self reported numbers are a bit lower. Any idea why that is?
MGMA?
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Not sure really. Might be sample bias. On Marit, we have 56 submissions with wRVU rate reported, so likely low n to be representative enough.
Could our info be used for inappropriate purposes? What’s the privacy for this?
No. All the data is shared anonymously - when you share your salary info, we recommend a higher level of geography aggregation depending on the specialty. And you can also choose what level of geography you want it to represent, e.g., metro, state, region, etc.
The data can only be submitted and accessed by logged in users who verify their NPI, so employers do not have access to the data. It is also not visible without logging in, so search engines cannot see it as well.
Obviously, please share what you are comfortable with. We want to make sure that the data is high quality, representative, and useful for the community, and by aggregating across employer type and geography at the right level - hopefully we can keep the data accurate and specific, without tying it back to individuals. Hope that helps!
The data can only be submitted and accessed by logged in users who verify their NPI, so employers do not have access to the data. It is also not visible without logging in, so search engines cannot see it as well.
Obviously, please share what you are comfortable with. We want to make sure that the data is high quality, representative, and useful for the community, and by aggregating across employer type and geography at the right level - hopefully we can keep the data accurate and specific, without tying it back to individuals. Hope that helps!
so certain admin use Sullivan Cotter. it appears Sullivan Cotter numbers are significantly lower than MGMA.
my understanding is that Sullivan Cotter dataset is more based on larger institutional systems.
did you compare your data set to theirs? if you have not, could you?
MGMA median $76/wRVU? did this include all benefits bonus etc? can not believe 76 is median. My admin showed me MGMA median for anesthesia/pain and it was 67.87 in 2025 based on 2024 data
I was surprised as well.
Source is documented as "2025 MGMA DataDive Provider Compensation"
Thanks for flagging. Let me look into this and get back
hey @so55b @DOctorJay - i looked into this and figured out the reason for discrepancy. The numbers you see by default are aggregating across Academic and Non Academic, so it is skewing the overall average and median. Academic $/wRVU is much higher since it's just a ratio of Total Comp and wRVUs, and Acad wRVUs tend to be much lower. If you filter down to Non Academic Employer Type only, you will see the relevant values.
We are going to make a change in the App, so we do not aggregate and keep Acad and Non Acad separate - so it isn't confusing. Thanks for flagging this.
We are going to make a change in the App, so we do not aggregate and keep Acad and Non Acad separate - so it isn't confusing. Thanks for flagging this.
We do not have access to Sullivan Cotter data, unfortunately.
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But anyone can Google search anyone’s NPI number so that doesn’t seem like a very good way to ensure security
yes, possible. NPI only by itself wouldn't be enough, so it's one of the few signals we use. There are a few other signals we are looking at - e..g, is NPI location vs IP location, how realistic the numbers look, etc., and I also manually spot check around 10% of submissions that may seem off.
There’s a tradeoff here: we could get very stringent with “upload your ID” but then it'd be way too much friction. So trying to hit the right balance of creating just enough checks, without making it a huge hassle. And this is where keeping the data anonymous at employer type, geography aggregation also helps. But if you’ve any other ideas we should try, please let me know
Is that the guy who made multiple accounts advertising his practice but kept getting banned?
Does this equation change at all if you did a bilateral procedure?
FYI @so55b @DOctorJay @TeslaCoil We have made the update, so it should default to the Non Academic if you shared a Non Academic salary and Academic if you shared Academic. And you can toggle as needed. Let me know if you've any other feedback
Nothing changes because at present im not paid on productivity. I have a flat salary. But I am doing bilateral rfas. All but cervical.
Ladies and gentlemen, I have my first solid offer, at the MGMA median. Way better than what Im getting now. Thank you all so so much for your help! God bless, and Merry Christmas!!
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Make sure you are bonused appropriately above the median production as well.
Just to clarify, the median $/wRVU in these surveys (~67) is total comp/total wRVU, so therefore includes retirement match, health insurance, bonus etc?
Total Compensation (Also referred to as: Total cash compensation (TCC), compensation, salary
The amount reported as direct compensation on a W2, 1099, or K1 (for partnerships) plus all voluntary salary reductions such as 401(k), 403(b), Section 125 Tax Savings Plan, and Medical Savings Plan.The amount includes salary, bonus and/or incentive payments, research stipends, honoraria, and distribution of profits.
However, it does not include the dollar value of expense reimbursements; fringe benefits paid by the medical practice such as retirement plan contributions; life and health insurance; automobile allowances; or any employer contributions to a 401(k), 403(b), or Keogh Plan.
Practice Demographics
This resource is intended to serve as a guide for completing the MGMA 2018 Compensation and Production Survey with information on practice demographics.
Yes, $70/rvu. Thank you!
Any idea who is going to do the fair market evaluation? I need to get one too
Bumping.
Can anyone share the 2025 MGMA data with me for pain management (anesthesia)? I'm trying to feel out the details
Can anyone share the 2025 MGMA data with me for pain management (anesthesia)? I'm trying to feel out the details
Go to marit health. If you fill out the questionnaire you get full access for free.
reviving this. Whats everyones wRVU threshold? Looks like MGMA median is 7500? Is this what I need to ask for when negotiating as an experienced physician?
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About 6700 working four days per week.
Thats your threshold for bonus?
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You better get 6700.
That is 17.5 office visits 4 days a week for 48 weeks.
That is 17.5 office visits 4 days a week for 48 weeks.
Generally see about 16 patients a day in clinic. No med management. Try to see primarily new patients and my PA sees follow ups. Last year wrvu for me was about 8800.
Seems high no? Whats your base salary?
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Yes it is..it’s NJ…500k
12k threshold, 4 days a week
9615
625k
11,350
31/2 days week.
625k
11,350
31/2 days week.
everyone else?
No threshold, 70/rvu, 9700-9900 rvu/yr 4 days a week. ($50-75k medicolegal aside from clinical work)
Gotcha so your base salary is higher but so is your threshold? And your threshold is at 9615? And you are doing 11,350 per year on 3.5 days per week?
Based on that math you’re getting 65 per wrvu on the first 9615 wrvus…
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Yes 65/wrvu
There are some metric bonus and stipend etc that really bring it to 71/wrvu all end
our group starts our production bonus above 8,117 wRVUs - this is what our network tells us is p55.
What’s p55? 55th percentile
This one hospital offered me 525k base guarantee for 1 year, $70 per rvu after that, bonus threshold 8500. I asked them to lower threshold to $7500. Still waiting on response.
That sucks. Thresholds are stupid. It's just another way of saying we'll pay you $61/wRVU for the first 8500 wRVUs and after you're burned out from being underpaid, we'll pay you at the 50th percentile if you make it past the 75th percentile of total work.
I'd tell them to go pound sand.
Does that mean you are productivity for every RVU after 8500 or does it mean you need to exceed 8500 for productivity to start and once you do then you get $70 per RVU after 7500 (525k/70)? That’s crazy if you only have rvus that start counting after 8500. They are getting 70k free assuming you meet the 8500 on the dot.
It means that i am making $61.76/wrvu for the first 8500 rvus and then $70 for every rvu after that. And the base salary is only good for a year. After which im straight productivity. So if my rvu’s never excees 8500 then Im making $61.76/wrvu forever haha. I would never agree to that. I proposed 7500 threshold and flat $70 per wrvu.
What would this look like?
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