Michigan Residents: MSU-COM or CHM or Wayne St. ?

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People from out of state that know anything about the schools can chime in too...

So MSU-COM: has their **** together it seems... expanding in to Detroit, tons of residencies just for DO's in michigan alone, Big Ten school at least for two years...

MSU-CHM: small and still fragmenting... seems to be the ugly duckling of the two schools at MSU...

Wayne St.: DMC contract in jeopardy, no respect outside of SE Michigan... in the middle of the ghetto

Obviosuly I'm trying to convince myself to apply to COM. I'll probably be just applying to these 3 schools and I'll let the cards fall where they will. I want to stay in Michigan, and family practice is my first choice right now... but the physics/chemistry fiend in me is also interested in Rads. Do DO's have their own Rads residencies?

Although the DO being second class factor is virtually non-existent in Michigan, since there are DO only hospitals and an educated public who often prefers DO's, I feel like this might change in a different setting. I was born abroad and am a Polish citizen (with an EU passport) so working over there might be in my future (England maybe), and I don't know the licensing for DO's outside of North America.

Any thoughts? Thanks guys...

PS. I hate to admit it, but my 3.0 GPA and 3.2 sciGPA is a driving factor... MCAT should be pretty good though

 

[xTinaBna]

People from out of state that know anything about the schools can chime in too...

So MSU-COM: has their **** together it seems... expanding in to Detroit, tons of residencies just for DO's in michigan alone, Big Ten school at least for two years...

MSU-CHM: small and still fragmenting... seems to be the ugly duckling of the two schools at MSU...

Wayne St.: DMC contract in jeopardy, no respect outside of SE Michigan... in the middle of the ghetto

Obviosuly I'm trying to convince myself to apply to COM. I'll probably be just applying to these 3 schools and I'll let the cards fall where they will. I want to stay in Michigan, and family practice is my first choice right now... but the physics/chemistry fiend in me is also interested in Rads. Do DO's have their own Rads residencies?

Although the DO being second class factor is virtually non-existent in Michigan, since there are DO only hospitals and an educated public who often prefers DO's, I feel like this might change in a different setting. I was born abroad and am a Polish citizen (with an EU passport) so working over there might be in my future (England maybe), and I don't know the licensing for DO's outside of North America.

Any thoughts? Thanks guys...

PS. I hate to admit it, but my 3.0 GPA and 3.2 sciGPA is a driving factor... MCAT should be pretty good though

i went to u of m for my undergrad so i feel like a michigan resident 😳 i have a friend at MSU-CHM and her sister is at MSU COM. Both really enjoy their programs and their classmates. My friend at MSU-CHM just wishes that public health was more a part of their curriculum..she's very much interested in public policy/problems within the health system and she says its not part of their current curriculum. i am not sure if public health is integrated at msu-com.

if you want to go abroad, i guess i would pick the MD just to be on the safe side with practicing rights abroad. out of michigan state and wayne state, i'd definitely pick msu. i think msu has more diverse opportunities available to you because it is a larger school. Plus, i like that the MD and DO programs work in conjunction with each other (MD students and DO students are in the same core classes together). good luck!

 

[Andromeda]

People from out of state that know anything about the schools can chime in too...

So MSU-COM: has their **** together it seems... expanding in to Detroit, tons of residencies just for DO's in michigan alone, Big Ten school at least for two years...

MSUCOM = #4 in primary care! U.S. News

MSU-CHM: small and still fragmenting... seems to be the ugly duckling of the two schools at MSU...

MSUCHM = in process of moving campus to grand rapids

Wayne St.: DMC contract in jeopardy, no respect outside of SE Michigan... in the middle of the ghetto

sounds like you don't like wsu, haha. i don't think that they "have no respect outside of SE MI." what gives you that impression? and it's definitely Not in the middle of the ghetto. you might find the ghetto when you get lost in Detroit trying to get to WSU, though . maybe that's not funny, sorry. i actually have a lot of respect for the school and have a couple of very smart friends there who are enjoying it. if it makes a difference, WSU students are getting just as many--if not more--job interviews than UM students in some fields. a friend's wife went to UM (and did very well, too) and basically said she is being outcompeted by WSU students.

if you want to practice outside the US, go MD. unfortunately, from what i have heard, DO is not fully recognized internationally. go to WSU bc MSUCHM seems to be transitioning. but it might be easier to get into MSUCHM with your stats. i am no expert, though! let the cards play and be happy wherever you go.

Obviosuly I'm trying to convince myself to apply to COM. I'll probably be just applying to these 3 schools and I'll let the cards fall where they will. I want to stay in Michigan, and family practice is my first choice right now... but the physics/chemistry fiend in me is also interested in Rads. Do DO's have their own Rads residencies?

Rads = radiology? i know that DOs for sure have radiology residencies (and in MI), but that it is very, very hard to get one.

Although the DO being second class factor is virtually non-existent in Michigan, since there are DO only hospitals and an educated public who often prefers DO's, I feel like this might change in a different setting. I was born abroad and am a Polish citizen (with an EU passport) so working over there might be in my future (England maybe), and I don't know the licensing for DO's outside of North America.

Any thoughts? Thanks guys...

PS. I hate to admit it, but my 3.0 GPA and 3.2 sciGPA is a driving factor... MCAT should be pretty good though

i never thought that being DO anywhere would be a second-class factor. i think that is a nasty rumor. my impression is that most people are Not educated and do Not know the difference between MD and DO. heck, you get premeds asking all the time. what matters is what kind of doctor YOU are. depending on that, your patients will or will not prefer you. the degree does not matter so much as the brain in your head.

best of luck to you!
-Andromeda

 

[jason3278]

I'm from Grand Rapids....just to clarify, MSUCHM is not moving to Grand Rapids, it is simply opening a small branch campus here. There will still be a main campus at East Lansing.

MSUCOM = #4 in primary care! U.S. News



MSUCHM = in process of moving campus to grand rapids



sounds like you don't like wsu, haha. i don't think that they "have no respect outside of SE MI." what gives you that impression? and it's definitely Not in the middle of the ghetto. you might find the ghetto when you get lost in Detroit trying to get to WSU, though . maybe that's not funny, sorry. i actually have a lot of respect for the school and have a couple of very smart friends there who are enjoying it. if it makes a difference, WSU students are getting just as many--if not more--job interviews than UM students in some fields. a friend's wife went to UM (and did very well, too) and basically said she is being outcompeted by WSU students.

if you want to practice outside the US, go MD. unfortunately, from what i have heard, DO is not fully recognized internationally. go to WSU bc MSUCHM seems to be transitioning. but it might be easier to get into MSUCHM with your stats. i am no expert, though! let the cards play and be happy wherever you go.



Rads = radiology? i know that DOs for sure have radiology residencies (and in MI), but that it is very, very hard to get one.



i never thought that being DO anywhere would be a second-class factor. i think that is a nasty rumor. my impression is that most people are Not educated and do Not know the difference between MD and DO. heck, you get premeds asking all the time. what matters is what kind of doctor YOU are. depending on that, your patients will or will not prefer you. the degree does not matter so much as the brain in your head.

best of luck to you!
-Andromeda

 

[Andromeda]

I'm from Grand Rapids....just to clarify, MSUCHM is not moving to Grand Rapids, it is simply opening a small branch campus here. There will still be a main campus at East Lansing.

Thanks!

 

[oldjeeps]

i think msu has more diverse opportunities available to you because it is a larger school.

😕 😕 😕

 

[Hoberto]

Here is a link to the 2005 International Practice Rights of DOs summary. This is a google HTML link. If it doesn't work for you google: "AOA foreign licensure summary" osteopath

The first link should be the one you want, just click on View as HTML. The PDF version is for members of DO-online.org or some such thing. If you are a member feel free to click on the main google link.

2005 International Practice Rights Summary

There is an older version of DO practice rights in the, you guessed it, FAQ at the top of the page.

This update below just concerns the UK.

U.S.-Trained D.O.s Granted Recognition in the United Kingdom

On September 13, 2005, the General Medical Council of the UK (GMC) announced that, after more than a year of deliberation, US-trained D.O.s will be accepted for full medical practice rights in the United Kingdom. Each applicant will have to pass the Professional Linguistic Assessment Board (PLAB) examination and work for one supervised year in the National Health Service (NHS). Following that year, the applicants will be able to apply for full registration (unsupervised practice or private practice).

For registration as a specialist, postgraduate training will need to be separately recognized by the Postgraduate Medical Education and Training Board (PMETB).

If you have any questions, please contact Joshua Kerr at [email protected] or (800) 621-1773, ext. 8196.


If you want to practice overseas as part of Doctors Without Borders or any similar organization you will be welcomed as a DO or an MD.