Mid-Ivy First Year

[heliotrope777]

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hi! i'm a mid-ivy firstyear who's looking at a 3.5-3.6 gpa for my first semester (gen chem was a particularly rough introduction). how big of an impact will this have on top20 med schools aka is first year forgiveness a thing?

 

[Lannister]

What is a mid Ivy?
You're a freshman, stop worrying about getting into a top 20 med school and start worrying about getting into any med school at all. Your GPA is below the median GPA of accepted applicants.

 

[navigator]

Actually that GPA is just fine! You have a couple of years before applying to bring it up. And I agree with the above poster lol

 

[WedgeDawg]

What on earth is a mid Ivy?

GPA is a little low currently, but still in the acceptable range. Focus on raising it (cut down on your ECs until you figure out how) and then kill the MCAT and ask again in a couple years. You literally have ONE TERM of grades in. Don't start worrying just yet, just figure out how to study more effectively and get your grades up.

 

[Glandzburg]

It is more forgivable from a top Ivy but I think you may still have a shot.

 

[Lucca]

What on earth is a mid Ivy?

GPA is a little low currently, but still in the acceptable range. Focus on raising it (cut down on your ECs until you figure out how) and then kill the MCAT and ask again in a couple years. You literally have ONE TERM of grades in. Don't start worrying just yet, just figure out how to study more effectively and get your grades up.

A mid-ivy is where the degree is printed on toilet paper. I hear they don't even check your bloodline during admissions.

 

[ofthesaints]

Mid-Ivy's are only competitive for mid-Caribbean 😀

 

[hugh2012]

Your fine. My friend from Harvard had a 3.7 and is an overrepresented minority and got in Upenn Med. My other Harvard friend who is also another over represented minority got in Stanford med with a 3.49. Once you pass a threshold GPA, focus on standing out elsewhere

 

[Lawpy]

A mid-ivy is where the degree is printed on toilet paper. I hear they don't even check your bloodline during admissions.

At least it isn't poison ivy!

 

[Lucca]

He said Mid-Ivy


I'm guessing Penn?


OP please stir up some drama and tell us which schools you think are bottom-Ivy XD

Obviously the bottom ivy is Cornell. I met a Cornell student once. He could hardly read Latin and used the dinner fork for the salad. Honestly, who are they letting in these days? It has to be just about anyone.

 

[piii]

I think there are only top ivys and bottom ivys. OP must be at a bottom ivy.

 

[Bsch1951]

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[Dr Tony T. Chopper]

"Mid Ivy"

*closes thread*

 

[Psai]

mid-ivy lolol

 

[Cyberdyne 101]

So what's a 3rd tier public ivy? Can someone enlighten me?

 

[NotaCop]

.

 

[deleted393595]

@avgn

 

[claduva94]

OPs post screams ego.

 

[DokterMom]

Obviously the bottom ivy is Cornell. I met a Cornell student once. He could hardly read Latin and used the dinner fork for the salad. Honestly, who are they letting in these days? It has to be just about anyone.

😳 How embarrassing...

 

[Cotterpin]

Not to pile on here, but OP's status reads "Pre-med, Medical Student, MD/PhD Student."

 

[Dr Tony T. Chopper]

Not to pile on here, but OP's status reads "Pre-med, Medical Student, MD/PhD Student."

Typical mid ivy charlatanism. 🙄🙄🙄

 

[Mad Jack]

HYP- top
Cornell-bottom
Everything else-mid possibly?

Funny, given their culture I always had Yale pegged as more of a bottom...

 

[Bsch1951]

.

 

[Dr Tony T. Chopper]

Funny, given their culture I always had Yale pegged as more of a bottom...

I'd be careful with your food after that comment, your waiters and baristas are likely Yalies...

 

[Lucca]

Funny, given their culture I always had Yale pegged as more of a bottom...

Ayyyyy

 

[DokterMom]

I'd be careful with your food after that comment, your waiters and baristas are likely Yalies...

At least the managers and owners are likely to be Cornellians --

 

[Wolf3D]

haha all of you laugh and cringe at the "mid-Ivy" thing but the number of people out there who 1) speak like this and more importantly, 2) think like this is rather significant, and some of those people tend to wield a lot of power in many HR/hiring circles.

That being said, to the guy who posted this – you are doing fine, there is no need for any "forgiveness" with your current grades

 

[Mad Jack]

haha all of you laugh and cringe at the "mid-Ivy" thing but the number of people out there who 1) speak like this and more importantly, 2) think like this is rather significant, and some of those people tend to wield a lot of power in many HR/hiring circles.

That being said, to the guy who posted this – you are doing fine, there is no need for any "forgiveness" with your current grades

Maybe in ibanking or whatever, but in 99.99% of the world, an Ivy is an Ivy.

 

[Lucca]

To grad admissions, an Ivy is not just an Ivy.

For all intents an purposes though it's otherwise dumb.

To ivies an ivy is not just an ivy. Inbreeding is the term to be used rather than preference. Of them, Harvard is the inbreed-iest. Most other places are very diverse and the institution you came from likely plays a modest but hierarchically insignificant role.

 

[xc_stallion92]

God forbid you'd have to go to the 21st ranked medical school, amirite?

 

[Wolf3D]

Maybe in ibanking or whatever, but in 99.99% of the world, an Ivy is an Ivy.

It extends beyond that. The most egregious examples are obviously in finance, consulting, law, business where they're the most snobby and hierarchy is well defined, but many PhD fields have just as strong biases/preferences to differentiate the Ivies and other similarly tiered schools. So maybe not 99.99%, more like 92% lol

 

[Wolf3D]

God forbid you'd have to go to the 21st ranked medical school, amirite?

Yeah that poor Baylor...might as well be Carib..

 

[Mad Jack]

It extends beyond that. The most egregious examples are obviously in finance, consulting, law, business where they're the most snobby and hierarchy is well defined, but many PhD fields have just as strong biases/preferences to differentiate the Ivies and other similarly tiered schools. So maybe not 99.99%, more like 92% lol

I'd hardly consider the fraction of PhD programs and businesses that care as constituting 8% of all available jobs. Particularly in regard to medical school admissions, the distinction of which you went to is nearly meaningless outside of less than a handful of schools, and even within thise schools, it is confined to particular members of the adcom.

 

[Wolf3D]

I'd hardly consider the fraction of PhD programs and businesses that care as constituting 8% of all available jobs. Particularly in regard to medical school admissions, the distinction of which you went to is nearly meaningless outside of less than a handful of schools, and even within thise schools, it is confined to particular members of the adcom.

Aren't you the guy who faked the banning two weeks ago? I thought you of all people would understand...

 

[WedgeDawg]

The distinction between Penn vs Brown undergrad when applying to medical school is going to matter to only two medical schools. Same with Dartmouth vs Columbia or Duke vs Cornell or Hopkins vs Northwestern or whatever. Harvard vs Cornell might (might) mean something more, but not that much more except to a very select group of schools (basically HMS and maybe one or two more).

 

[Lucca]

The distinction between Penn vs Brown undergrad when applying to medical school is going to matter to only two medical schools. Same with Dartmouth vs Columbia or Duke vs Cornell or Hopkins vs Northwestern or whatever. Harvard vs Cornell might (might) mean something more, but not that much more except to a very select group of schools (basically HMS and maybe one or two more).

Have you seen this thread in the Physician Scientist forum?

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/elite-school-bias.1169892/

MD/PhD admissions is, admittedly, typically separate and very different from MD admissions but take a look. tl;dr: prestigious schools tend to take pedigreed students but HMS...oh HMS is playing a different ballgame altogether, you would think we were still in the early 20th century.

 

[xc_stallion92]

Have you seen this thread in the Physician Scientist forum?

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/elite-school-bias.1169892/

MD/PhD admissions is, admittedly, typically separate and very different from MD admissions but take a look. tl;dr: prestigious schools tend to take pedigreed students but HMS...oh HMS is playing a different ballgame altogether, you would think we were still in the early 20th century.

The MD/PhD interview trail has anecdotally been very eye-opening. I did my undergrad at a medium sized, mid-tiered Midwestern private school. I have a suspicion that the reason I've gotten a fair number of interviews is due to my gap year research at a very large, very influential pharmaceutical company. An extremely high percentage (80+) of the applicants who have been at my interviews so far who are still in undergrad have been from the ivies, northwestern, hopkins, UC Berkeley, and the like. I'm sure to some degree students at these schools are more likely to apply to MD/PhD programs, but there definitely seems to be some sort of preference for students who are coming from prestigious research positions. It's not just super-prestigious schools, either. Most of my interviews have been from mid-tiered schools.

 

[Lucca]

Going to an Ivy only matters to people who go to Ivys. All the Ivy kids on SDN talk about their Ivy school like everyone cares. But the truth is that no one cares about what school they go to and they are only ones bringing it up all the time.

I go to an Ivy/top med school/ top residency gets dropped all the time no mater how irrelevant it is.

FWIW, I think someone did a poll once and like 1/5th of SDNers go to ivy / top 20 schools lol. It's ridiculous.

 

[9909]

Aren't you the guy who faked the banning two weeks ago? I thought you of all people would understand...
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Aren't you the guy who boasted about going to a "top 10 internship" transition year like residency rankings actually exist or matter? Guess you would take offense to all this Ivy talk.

 

[Wolf3D]

Aren't you the guy who boasted about going to a "top 10 internship" transition year like residency rankings actually exist or matter? Guess you would take offense to all this Ivy talk.

1) I did not say my prelim (≠ a TY btw, not that I would expect a premed to know) was a top 10. This is a dead horse by this point if you actually read the thread in question.
2) I did not boast. I made it very clear in the first post that my background is important for people to know because my POVs/advice are biased heavily because I am used to being very academia-driven.
3) Yes, I really need a premed to lecture me about whether residency rankings matter. Rankings do not exist in the numerical sense here, but if you think where you do residency does not matter, you are in for a ride, premed.

 

[9909]

1) I did not say my prelim (≠ a TY btw, not that I would expect a premed to know) was a top 10. This is a dead horse by this point if you actually read the thread in question.
2) I did not boast. I made it very clear in the first post that my background is important for people to know because my POVs/advice are biased heavily because I am used to being very academia-driven.
3) Yes, I really need a premed to lecture me about whether residency rankings matter. Rankings do not exist in the numerical sense here, but if you think where you do residency does not matter, you are in for a ride, premed.

Cool story, kid

 

[Wolf3D]

Cool story, kid

See the guy in my avatar? He's waiting for you in your sleep, premed

 

[9909]

See the guy in my avatar? He's waiting for you in your sleep, premed

Keep calling me premed because using your perceived status over me is the only insult you can come up with. You sound pretty unpleasant and insecure, I don't envy you lol good luck with your career

 

[Wolf3D]

Keep calling me premed because using your perceived status over me is the only insult you can come up with. You sound pretty unpleasant and insecure, I don't envy you lol good luck with your career

Judging by your post history you are quite the troll. Congratulations on this extraordinary achievement. bye

 

[IlDestriero]

I still want to know what a mid ivy is. I'm going with Yale.

 

[Wolf3D]

I still want to know what a mid ivy is. I'm going with Yale.

From the way the guy described it, probably Penn, Columbia, or Dartmouth. Who knows who cares

 

[WedgeDawg]

Keep it cool kids

 

[WedgeDawg]

Which schools would that be?

Harvard and Yale like Harvard and Yale grads. Ivy grads like Ivy grads, as do Northwestern, NYU, Sinai, etc.

 

[Lannister]

Lol everything about this thread is so obnoxious.
But I don't know what I find more ridiculous, people saying "mid ivy" or people saying "public ivy".

 

[Wolf3D]

Aren't you embarrassed that as a resident you stoop to such unprofessionalism? Retorting back by claiming superiority using your resident status... that's quite low.

Residents need to be nice to trolls? Look at his post history and you tell me. I am following by example set by @Goro