Millennials are Done For

[sozetone]

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Think you quoted the wrong person. I'm not the OP.

yeah sorry man its late. gotta get some rest , i close all week. take it easy.

 

[TimeZero]

That's why I tell millennials not to be against the 2nd amendment. That's how we seize the wealth of the 1% and seize the companies. With firepower.

“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary”- Karl Marx

^^^the intelligence agencies should be watching this nutjob.

What does this have to do with pharmacy?

 

[SoylentGreen]

You are not blocking my sun with your ugly apartment complex!

I don’t know if building more houses would really put a big dent on the housing shortage in California. Land here is expensive. Construction cost is also high. So, rent is not going to be affordable for most millennials.

I get that some people would move into these new constructions and that would free up more housing. But, these new constructions would attract wealthy people from other cities, other states. In addition, there will be more incentive to tear down older, cheaper units and therefore, displacing more people.

What would you think would solve the housing shortage in California?

This would solve it:

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California is not that dense compared to a lot of Asia. Just turn it into a cyberpunk dystopia out of an 80s sci fi novel and the problem is solved.

Right now we are doing the opposite - adding millions of people through immigration while NIMBY laws prevent doing anything that would alleviate the housing shortage, literally the worst imaginable course of action.

 

[sakigt]

dude the housing shortage is a constructed false event. Many of the houses being bought are bought by Chinese and New Yorkers or other people living outside SF as a investment in the pump and dump scheme. California is losing lots of people and jobs to Texas and Florida. SF is a small town of less than 1,000,000 people. The problem could easily be fixed by large capacity communism style concrete buildings for cheap but the real estate game is a giant scam that everyone land owner is in on. They create zoning and false environmental laws to keep construction prohiptitively expensive and increase their propriety value. SF is kinda a dumb. ALwasy cold. Can't even swim in the ocean w/o a wet suit. Aggressive homeless from lack of policing. High crime, ect.

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[PharmtoCS]

What would you think would solve the housing shortage in California?

Probably telecommuting.

One thing that makes me scratch my head about the tech industry though is how it has not been able to utilize telecommuting to reduce congestion and housing costs. It claims to be able to “disrupt” every other industry out there yet doesn’t have seem to have a solution to its own workers cramming into overpriced, tiny apartments in San Francisco.

 

[thecoolpharmboi]

Uh yeah there are things we can do about it. Access to contraceptives and family planning for one? Are you a pharmacist? The world doesn't care what you want. Too many people + too little resources = bad day. That's an objective ecological fact. Would the world be better off with more people than it can support or fewer which would leave more resources for each person? The problem with your last statement is that you apparently don't care about anyone else, only what you want. In game theory, we would say that you're rational, but not superrational. You can only see what's best for you. If you were to care what was best for others then the size of the pie would increase for everybody. But you don't so the pie shrinks, but hey you get a bigger piece (hopefully). Hopefully, in the future, you don't get the short end of the stick and someone else doesn't take everything away from you. Again, are you a pharmacist? That's kind of happening to your profession right now (even if you're not an RPh because it's happening to everyone) because your way of thinking is how most people think. Rational, not superrational.

Yeah so what? Instead of whining about the problems of the world on a forum, what are you doing about it? You really think posting on here will be effective in anyway? If you care so much about the issue then perhaps make better use of your time than preaching this to a forum where nobody gives a damn.

Go preach in a rally or do some volunteer work or community outreach or whatever. Instead of going on a forum to “warn” the millennials about their gloomy future or the future of the world for that matter. How unproductive. Whining about here won’t do anything or bring about any solution. And one person’s action won’t solve the worlds overpopulation. If you want to make a change, go for the leaders who are in charge of this damn country. Preach to them. What does preaching it here do you or us any good? People are going to have unprotected sex then have children regardless. Unless something big happens from the top of the political chain, you can’t do much by attacking the citizens who are just trying to live their lives. We as health care providers can counsel and provide all the resource services we want for family planning and contraception but will that truly prevent people from doing what they can do? No. If you want to limit the number of children a family can have or stop getting federal aid for having them - then whine to your politicians. Attacking people here or whining about it in this forum won’t do you any good sir.

And I thought this forum was here for productive discussion yet we have THIS.

 

[gwarm01]

So, what was the post that finally got modest_anteater?

 

[beautifulrobot]

apropos to this discussion, this came across my facebook feed today:

 

[grizzlesgrizzlies]

The U.S. is already $20+ trillion in debt. Where do you think they're going to come up with the money to hand out freebies to everyone if our country is $20+ trillion in the gutter.

Print money out of thin air via quantitative easing, duh

 

[Xenophylia]

Yeah- if Thanos runs, I'm definitely voting next election.....

 

[Sine Cura]

And I thought this forum was here for productive discussion yet we have THIS.

Wat

 

[PureHeart]

Yeah so what? Instead of whining about the problems of the world on a forum, what are you doing about it? You really think posting on here will be effective in anyway? If you care so much about the issue then perhaps make better use of your time than preaching this to a forum where nobody gives a damn.

Go preach in a rally or do some volunteer work or community outreach or whatever. Instead of going on a forum to “warn” the millennials about their gloomy future or the future of the world for that matter. How unproductive. Whining about here won’t do anything or bring about any solution. And one person’s action won’t solve the worlds overpopulation. If you want to make a change, go for the leaders who are in charge of this damn country. Preach to them. What does preaching it here do you or us any good? People are going to have unprotected sex then have children regardless. Unless something big happens from the top of the political chain, you can’t do much by attacking the citizens who are just trying to live their lives. We as health care providers can counsel and provide all the resource services we want for family planning and contraception but will that truly prevent people from doing what they can do? No. If you want to limit the number of children a family can have or stop getting federal aid for having them - then whine to your politicians. Attacking people here or whining about it in this forum won’t do you any good sir.

And I thought this forum was here for productive discussion yet we have THIS.

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[Lnsean]

I cried at the end when thanos died

 

[Xenophylia]

All I have to offer in this discussion is to disclose my apathy in the world's affairs. The world may crash and burn, or we might figure a way out. Maybe.

Either way, life goes on regardless.

If I get married and settle down, I'd tell the next generation to make smart decisions and not listen to noisemakers. Anything can happen anytime, anywhere.

I cried at the end when thanos died

It was really hard for me to see him as a bad guy! He had my sympathy throughout. He was just misunderstood, and dealing with the sh*tshow the only way he knew how.... And his plan would have worked were it not for all those annoying guys in clown suits..... I'm working on an infinity stone as we speak that will halve the world's pharmacist population. I'll take my chances when I activate it....

 

[PharmtoCS]

It was really hard for me to see him as a bad guy! He had my sympathy throughout. He was just misunderstood, and dealing with the sh*tshow the only way he knew how.... And his plan would have worked were it not for all those annoying guys in clown suits..... I'm working on an infinity stone as we speak that will halve the world's pharmacist population. I'll take my chances when I activate it....

If that ever happens, try not to kill half of us off. Design it so that it turns half of us into software engineers instead.

 

[mentos]

It was really hard for me to see him as a bad guy! He had my sympathy throughout. He was just misunderstood, and dealing with the sh*tshow the only way he knew how.... And his plan would have worked were it not for all those annoying guys in clown suits..... I'm working on an infinity stone as we speak that will halve the world's pharmacist population. I'll take my chances when I activate it....

If that ever happens, try not to kill half of us off. Design it so that it turns half of us into software engineers instead.

Pharmacy schools, pre-pharms and pharmacists are Hydra.

 

[DagS132]

Lol, can you put an example of that first one? I don’t see robots doing anything other than providing answers to FAQ’s. I didn’t read any further than this.

 

[spacecowgirl]

• Overpopulation. The planet is finite. We subsidize overpopulation with tax incentives (have kids, pay less taxes and more free healthcare!) and overutilize our resources. The world will get increasingly competitive. If you have studied ecology, you know that populations which grow exponentially typically overshoot their capacity and then crash catastrophically. If you look at a chart of human population growth since the industrial revolution, we've been growing at a rate that rivals bacteria. We'll overexpand, run out of resources, and then bad things will happen if we stay on this course. Starvation? War? Probably. Who knows. We could engineer a soft landing, you know, if you believe we're smarter than every other living thing that has existed on this planet

Bull****. Why are the people in charge worried about heartbeat bills and immigration of cheap labor? Hint: not because they value life or populism.

Most of the rest, I agree. I 1000% blame boomers who didn't save for ****.

 

[DagS132]

Is this a troll? Do you work in a pharmacy? Haven't you noticed the reduction in hours/pay as software and robots have taken our jobs? You need more examples? I literally had examples in the only part of the post that you apparently read.

Woa, chill out there. What’s wrong with asking for specific examples? No I am not a pharmacist and no I don’t see robots at the pharmacy. Are you talking about software? I’m assuming you don’t know of any other “robots”. Do you?

 

[DagS132]

Do I know of any other robots? This must be a troll...

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Concerns about people being put out of work by AI, automation, and robots isn't a topic to put off until later. It's already happening and at a rapid rate.

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Thanks for all of that. Sorry I don’t see any of these robots in the east coast of US so that’s why I ask. Where I live Uber drivers still exist, pharmacy techs still exist, cashiers still exist, etc.

 

[lord999]

Sigh, one of the few major regrets I have when teaching class is that most healthcare professionals don't read beyond what's assigned, nor are they innately curious to why their world works the way it does.

"I am seeking to rescue the poor stockinger, the Luddite cropper, the "obsolete" hand-loom weaver, the "utopian" artisan, and even the deluded follower of Joanna Southcott, from the enormous condescension of posterity." (Thompson, The Making of the English Working Class)

Your complaints and what you cite have more than a 50 year history, and many of those exact statements link to Club of Rome Limits to Growth scenarios. Problem is that their computer models were intentionally designed to be polemical, but a group of people actually took it seriously and designed their population control around it. We know it today as One Child.

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And let's put it this way, policy limits to growth tend to work out in ways that the planners didn't expect.

The humorously depressing part is that those alarmist computer models were off by quite a bit:
1. The Green Revolution happened allowing for greater food supplies
2. The Consumer Revolution and standards of living naturally limited growth (unless you're unusually religious, it's unlikely that you will have more than three children with the replacement rate being 2.6ish).

Can we have unlimited growth on finite resources, absolutely not. But, nature finds a way to even out the carrying capacity score. Read A Distant Mirror by Tuchman or The Making of the English Working Class by Thompson. And if you are white and are a SAR or DAR, it's likely that one of the reasons why your ancestors made the voyage was to actually grow as the old country didn't have the resources to do so.

And as for the problems that my generation faces, well, they are no worse than any others, and most of them are the same problems generations before have faced. There are solutions, but they are not problematic enough for us to address them yet.

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But yeah, don't talk to me about projection models that go past 5 years, they're always for a political purpose that never works out in the way the modelers can account for.

As far as technology taking over jobs, the problem is as old as land enclosure and capitalist displacement of labor. Best way to avoid being displaced is to control capital yourself. "What do you know about producing something, and why aren't you producing more?" Those questions are the ones that we can all work on in this time of uncertainty. But I'm not going to buy predictions that don't have either causative evidence or have historical counterexamples for those concerns as they are as old as life.

But I fear Mei Fong's future in One Child, where the government creates and enforces an unsustainable policy portfolio for the optics. College education and homeownership being the latest bubbles, healthcare (worryingly for us) is another policy overreach. The controversial one making the rounds is that veterans benefits may fall into that category soon. Solutions to these problems show up when they need to actually be solved.

 

[lord999]

You are not blocking my sun with your ugly apartment complex!

I don’t know if building more houses would really put a big dent on the housing shortage in California. Land here is expensive. Construction cost is also high. So, rent is not going to be affordable for most millennials.

I get that some people would move into these new constructions and that would free up more housing. But, these new constructions would attract wealthy people from other cities, other states. In addition, there will be more incentive to tear down older, cheaper units and therefore, displacing more people.

What would you think would solve the housing shortage in California?

It’s all the old fart NIMBYs not letting the free market work.... build them houses!

With a narrow view, CA is or should be in an idiotproof position to rezone for population and could just be a local planning commission affair.

However, the greatest immediate limitation to CA's population is water, which does limit carrying capacity to an obvious extent. The only reason why LA could grow was Mulholland's aqueduct was the subject of the California Water Wars between the Imperial Valley farmers and the LA developers (hint on the outcome, why do you think Hollywood did Citizen Kane). In order to grow much more, either CA has to renegotiate Colorado River rights with AZ, or make a deal with NV on more Sierra Nevada snowpack as well as make infrastructure investments in the aqueduct, dam, and desalination areas to support an increased population, something that CA just never finds the money for (and that's going to bite the residents someday when that infrastructure catastrophically fails). If CA chooses farmers, then there can be no new housing, and if CA chooses housing, then CA has to raise greater funds for the infrastructure which is politically infeasible. CA also have to do something about the lack of a Georgism ad valorem tax due to Proposition 13 if they are to fund more infrastructure for housing, and that's a third rail still.

 

[WVUPharm2007]

Past industrial revolutions simply replaced human labor. This Fourth Industrial Revolution will replace the human intellect. Having robot surgeons is scary enough. The emergence of AI creativity is what has me concerned for the prospect of labor and capital ownership continuing to be a viable means of allocating resources.

They got AI created music now.



Creepy, eh?

Turns out there really isn't anything special about being a human. A few generations of software development is all it took to pretty much replace us. lol.

Also, nobody is being a Ludite. Ludites went around trying to destroy technology. The modern "version" of these people welcome the technology. They just want to construct a massive safety net for the unneeded workers. The Ludites existed because violent shifts in labor markets caused poverty. I imagine the goal this time around will be to create a soft landing for the replaced workers. That way technology can just advance and people won't have to die over it.

I both fear and don't fear it. It depends on who wins elections and holds power. This can go really well or it can go French Revolution. It's a pretty laughable criticism of our society when machines hypothetically doing all the work somehow presents a major crisis to our species.

 

[BidingMyTime]

Because subsidizing things that add value to society and taxing things that take away value is still a good idea. Having more children doesn't add value to society. Powering your home with solar power, going to college or donating to charity does. Those are good tax credits.

Tell that to Canada and Japan, 2 countries with major problems because they are reproducing below the replacement level. (which the US is also now at, although we've only been at that level for a year or 2, and have been offsetting it with immigration.)

There are only around 1,500 drugs in existence.

There are ALOT more than 1,500 drugs in existence. Although to be fair, many of these drugs are obsolete or rarely used. I guess you mean 1,500 drugs that have been FDA approved?

And on the contraceptive issue, I've been seeing women come into the pharmacy and turn down getting contraceptives because they can't afford $100+ a month since Trump decided plans can now refuse to cover them for "ethical reasons."

I'm pretty sure that was a concession that Obama made, not Trump (although Trump obviously did nothing to change it.) Catholic hospitals & their health care plans have always been exempt from BCP coverage.

 

[owlegrad]

I'm pretty sure that was a concession that Obama made, not Trump (although Trump obviously did nothing to change it.) Catholic hospitals & their health care plans have always been exempt from BCP coverage.

I thought it was a court decision on the Hobby Lobby case that decided that issue?

 

[johnpharm01]

The biggest threat to millennials is millennials themselves.

As if no other generation has seen problems: great recession, great depression Civil War, WWI WWII Korean war Vietnam War civil rights movement, three mile island.........................

 

[lord999]

I thought it was a court decision on the Hobby Lobby case that decided that issue?

No, that exemption has been in place since 1967 for the three original parties: Catholic Health, the Masonic and affiliates ("Shriners"), and Children's Hospitals, and Obama had to honor it as there's a sabotage clause attached to the original Medicare/Medicaid legislation. The Hobby Lobby is on whether the employer (not the health care provider) is obligated to offer services within their plan to be ACA qualifying which was ruled in their favor. You'd be surprised at how many plans excluded care services, even the Feds until 2016.

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[Xenophylia]

. This Fourth Industrial Revolution will replace the human intellect.
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With the way human intellect appears to be devolving that shouldn't be too difficult....

 

[Subvisual]

Your list is pretty good except for the random Malthusian Overpopulation concerns. Fertility rates are below replacement and falling in Europe, Russia, China, Japan etc. America is just below replacement, but immigration keeps the population growing. Most of the world is right around the replacement or moderate growth level. Only sub-Saharan Africa is still showing very high birthrates. The actual problem is consumption. Everyone constantly wants more of everything and is never happy because that's what the media and advertising drill into our psyche from a very young age.

The consumption problem itself is just another manifestation of global neoliberalism. The ultra wealthy have all the true power, the media indoctrinates us with what they want us to see. Modern society lacks any inherent meaning beyond CONSUME MORE.

 

[lane one]

I agree millennials are def in a pickle, but I wonder...have previous generations felt the same way? It's pretty easy to look around at housing prices, student loan debt and wages and wallow in self-misery. I just wonder if our perspective is skewed or if it really is THAT bad. As others have pointed out, we're not exactly being forced to put life on hold so we can go storm the beaches of Normandy. Either way, can't do much about the year you're born in. Just plan the hand you're dealt.

 

[sozetone]

^^^the intelligence agencies should be watching this nutjob.

What does this have to do with pharmacy?

Yeah man, that sound like a pharmacist about to snap ya know? I get it , but man get some qualuude or something, chill out. no violence ....lol i can't believe he openly posted that.

 

[mentos]

I agree millennials are def in a pickle, but I wonder...have previous generations felt the same way? It's pretty easy to look around at housing prices, student loan debt and wages and wallow in self-misery. I just wonder if our perspective is skewed or if it really is THAT bad. As others have pointed out, we're not exactly being forced to put life on hold so we can go storm the beaches of Normandy. Either way, can't do much about the year you're born in. Just plan the hand you're dealt.

I mean, the average post war American family had one working husband, a stay at home mom with 2-3 kids, an affordable house and car in any area of the country. No massive student loan or mortgage debt. A pension was standard so you didn't have to worry about saving for retirement. Did they even have to pay for health insurance premiums or copays back then?

 

[lord999]

I mean, the average post war American family had one working husband, a stay at home mom with 2-3 kids, an affordable house and car in any area of the country. No massive student loan or mortgage debt. A pension was standard so you didn't have to worry about saving for retirement. Did they even have to pay for health insurance premiums or copays back then?

The good old days weren't that good. Being in a pharmacist family, I saw firsthand the quality of life improvements from the late 90s salary increases as the profession was a strict middle class experience until then. If a person retired the day I was born in 1983 at the highest possible pension rate in the civil service (Executive Service, GS-20), they would make $2100 a month today. There are six people who are alive today in 2019 who make that in their mid nineties. The highest graded pharmacist from that era still alive makes $1200 a month as a GS-13 (the CMS District Chief) and that was comparable to their earnings at the time.

The average postwar family had deathtrap appliances (toaster, range, etc.), small homes (~1500 sq ft), and had to belong to a church for any form of social welfare prior to the 1970s. Read newspapers from the time, and consumer debt was quite considerable, but usually to a catalog company (the average family had to finance ranges, washing machines, and other appliances until the mid-1980s, buying appliances outright without credit was as rare as paying cash for a house was today). A pension was standard only for the white collar class, if you were not white collar (the vast majority of America), you were SOL because workers compensation was not in place yet, nor were the various protections on work actually enforced until The Great Society. Actually, mortgage debt as a percentage of earnings was much higher up to the 1990s, even though house prices were lower, interest rates were far higher and payments consumed much more of the current paycheck.

So, each era has its own problems and its own benefits. The problems are different in each era, but in general, we do actually have a better life than even the older pharmacists still working now. You all who graduated after me really had the easy life in school and started much higher than we did but have the problems of debt and less security. On the other hand, my era had easier employment and more mobility in exchange for tougher standards and a worse work environment (I would never want to return to how we used to practice around 2004 from a safety perspective).


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[mentos]

The good old days weren't that good. Being in a pharmacist family, I saw firsthand the quality of life improvements from the late 90s salary increases as the profession was a strict middle class experience until then. If a person retired the day I was born in 1983 at the highest possible pension rate in the civil service (Executive Service, GS-20), they would make $2100 a month today. There are six people who are alive today in 2019 who make that in their mid nineties. The highest graded pharmacist from that era still alive makes $1200 a month as a GS-13 (the CMS District Chief) and that was comparable to their earnings at the time.

The average postwar family had deathtrap appliances (toaster, range, etc.), small homes (~1500 sq ft), and had to belong to a church for any form of social welfare prior to the 1970s. Read newspapers from the time, and consumer debt was quite considerable, but usually to a catalog company (the average family had to finance ranges, washing machines, and other appliances until the mid-1980s, buying appliances outright without credit was as rare as paying cash for a house was today). A pension was standard only for the white collar class, if you were not white collar (the vast majority of America), you were SOL because workers compensation was not in place yet, nor were the various protections on work actually enforced until The Great Society. Actually, mortgage debt as a percentage of earnings was much higher up to the 1990s, even though house prices were lower, interest rates were far higher and payments consumed much more of the current paycheck.

So, each era has its own problems and its own benefits. The problems are different in each era, but in general, we do actually have a better life than even the older pharmacists still working now. You all who graduated after me really had the easy life in school and started much higher than we did but have the problems of debt and less security. On the other hand, my era had easier employment and more mobility in exchange for tougher standards and a worse work environment (I would never want to return to how we used to practice around 2004 from a safety perspective).


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Wait, you're saying work conditions were worse in 2004 than now? I never heard anyone complain about understaffing or impossible metrics back then. Please elaborate. The 24 hour store where I used to work had 3 Rphs at a time back then, now they barely have 2 at a time all week.

 

[sozetone]

Wait, you're saying work conditions were worse in 2004 than now? I never heard anyone complain about understaffing or impossible metrics back then. Please elaborate. The 24 hour store where I used to work had 3 Rphs at a time back then, now they barely have 2 at a time all week.

bro don't even listen to him, your job security was through the roof, i literally watched my pharmacist growing up when i was doing tech work ya know? he walked across to target from cvs, got hired.....months later CVS resigned him for a bonus and more money.....you could do that in busy cities. I started my pre-req's 2003 when this was all happening. The work was always tough though, your boss could be a jerk, but you had what appeared to be a great future and were not looking over both shoulders every day for that sniper to axe your position. also, you did not have 1/3 of the workload thrown on our backs as we do today....its crazy now. Oh and companies were easily making HUGE profit....i wonder what happened? lol... (please refer back to the billy madison video for details)....

 

[sozetone]

That's why I tell millennials not to be against the 2nd amendment. That's how we seize the wealth of the 1% and seize the companies. With firepower.

“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary”- Karl Marx

First of all millenials do not respect or listen to the older generations....second it's best not to post about guns man....not in this climate now a days....you may hurt a millenials feelings...lol

 

[BidingMyTime]

Wait, you're saying work conditions were worse in 2004 than now? I never heard anyone complain about understaffing or impossible metrics back then. Please elaborate. The 24 hour store where I used to work had 3 Rphs at a time back then, now they barely have 2 at a time all week.

Lord is talking about the safety perspective. When in the hospital, pharmacists entered and filled prescriptions from the handwritten scribbles on a 2nd or 3rd copy of a carbon copy paper. Did the doctor write 1.2mg or 12 mg morphine, and is the scribble after it IV or IM? In retail, no photo verification of drugs, one had to depend on the tech to send the bottle down with the filled prescription (and hope that one remembers what the drug looked like, if the bottle was now empty.) In both places, computer systems checking for drug interactions/duplications etc. were far inferior to today. I agree with Lord, I think things are far safer today (although not as safe as they could in places without adequate help.)

 

[mentos]

Lord is talking about the safety perspective. When in the hospital, pharmacists entered and filled prescriptions from the handwritten scribbles on a 2nd or 3rd copy of a carbon copy paper. Did the doctor write 1.2mg or 12 mg morphine, and is the scribble after it IV or IM? In retail, no photo verification of drugs, one had to depend on the tech to send the bottle down with the filled prescription (and hope that one remembers what the drug looked like, if the bottle was now empty.) In both places, computer systems checking for drug interactions/duplications etc. were far inferior to today. I agree with Lord, I think things are far safer today (although not as safe as they could in places without adequate help.)

How is that different from today? There are still handwritten scribbles and illegible faxes. We still have to call all the time to clarify.

Target, KMart, grocery stores that used PDX did not have photo verification or even machines to scan production bottles until a couple years ago. You went by the text description of the imprint/color.

 

[BidingMyTime]

How is that different from today? There are still handwritten scribbles and illegible faxes. We still have to call all the time to clarify.

It's far less than when it was 100% handwritten scribbles.

Target, KMart, grocery stores that used PDX did not have photo verification or even machines to scan production bottles until a couple years ago. You went by the text description of the imprint/color.

Which even text description is more than I had starting out. The first pharmacy computers, in both hospital and retail, were glorified databases, which no cross-checking or DUR's (not even the first ones which flagged everything.) Personally, I agree with Lord, the pharmacy environment is much safer today. And when errors happen, they are usually caught, back then nobody caught errors, because there was no way to catch them.

 

[nextyearrx]

I miss old days working at a supermarket pharmacy. 12 hours shift= 175 rxs average per day. no immunizations, plenty of techs help, 30 min pharmacy closed for lunch break, great yearly bonus, great raises, no customer complaints, easy insurance billings, great benefits, good vacation hours, etc....

 

[thecoolpharmboi]

Well, I'm not telling you about my personal life on an anonymous web forum... I posted this to discuss ideas and share with other pharmacists who seriously need to be aware of how the world is changing, not just pharmacy, in order to succeed in the future.

And on the contraceptive issue, I've been seeing women come into the pharmacy and turn down getting contraceptives because they can't afford $100+ a month since Trump decided plans can now refuse to cover them for "ethical reasons." Family planning should be a right when the stakes are so high and education is so poor. Having 6 kids making 30k a year is not a joke because:

• We no longer have the resources in the world to support this behavior, yet we still encourage it
• The kids will not have basic financial needs met
• Kids who grow up in poverty are not exactly being set up for success in life
• The rest of us will largely be paying for this recklessness in the form of taxes towards welfare programs (Medicaid, child tax credits, etc.). I'm not against welfare programs. I am against welfare programs paying for issues that shouldn't exist in the first place.

I see. Yes you’re right about that. As long as I am financially capable of providing for my family, I’ll have as many kids I desire. And that should be said about others who continuously reproduce without the thought of how to support them. That I agree.

I get you’re sharing ideas and for discussion but most of your posts sound like you’re preaching to an audience with such aggression— I get there are issues with the world but still dude calm it down.

 

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The population of native born Americans is shrinking. The only reason the population is increasing is because of immigration.