Miller Vs Barash

[loveumms]

About to start residency this week and would like to know from the veterans - which do you think is better and why?

Big Miller or Barash



THANKS 😉

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[VolatileAgent]

Big Miller or Barash

neither. 🙂

both are great resources to refer to, but not great for the "nuts and bolts" of anesthesia and/or what you will be pimped and tested on. i think mikhail and morgan is pretty much everything you need to know. and, jensen's is a great review before exam time.

 

[loveumms]

Thanks - I have Morgan & Mikhail and the new edition of baby Miller. That is where I plan on laying the foundation of my knowledge but, I'm sure as I progress I will need a more in depth book.

My program provides Barash but, we can choose Miller instead. I have heard from several residents (mainly during interviews) that Barash suits certain learning styles better and I was just curious as to what the differences are.

 

[Mman]

Thanks - I have Morgan & Mikhail and the new edition of baby Miller. That is where I plan on laying the foundation of my knowledge but, I'm sure as I progress I will need a more in depth book.

My program provides Barash but, we can choose Miller instead. I have heard from several residents (mainly during interviews) that Barash suits certain learning styles better and I was just curious as to what the differences are.

Miller is a lot bigger (maybe 3000 pages vs 1500 pages). I was given both by my department and read Barash more because it seems more concise. I have little doubt that Miller has more comprehensive info, however.

I think you pretty much have to read one to have an adequate knowledge base by the time you graduate.

 

[CremeSickle]

M & M all the way. Many people use this book solely for their boards. its easy to read and covers everything.

 

[Noyac]

Barash

 

[VentdependenT]

Barash

 

[MTGas2B]

Cullen

 

[urgewrx]

Read Morgan & Mikhail- You'll have the same knowledge base as an Anesthesiologist Assistant or a CRNA.

Sad but true.
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[CremeSickle]

geez

So apparently all my attendings are just CRNAs and AAs right?

I have barash, baby miller, big miller and M&M. Bar none, the easiest read with the concepts is M&M to me. The others i simply use for reference.

Read Morgan & Mikhail- You'll have the same knowledge base as a Anesthesiologist Assistant or a CRNA.

Sad but true.
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[BISof60]

barash. i can lift it. miller not so much...

 

[Precedex]

I don't think most attendings really know anywhere near all the details in morgan/mikhail. Miller and Barash are strictly reference texts. You have to be insane to read those through and through.

 

[VolatileAgent]

Read Morgan & Mikhail- You'll have the same knowledge base as an Anesthesiologist Assistant or a CRNA.

Sad but true.
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minus everything else you, as a physician, will know that they don't. reading and regurgitating is different than understanding.

 

[rmh149]

minus everything else you, as a physician, will know that they don't. reading and regurgitating is different than understanding.

Your so full of it. 🙄

 

[InductionAgent]

Miller seems extremely academic to me; Barash is a bit more clinically oriented, though not as much as Morgan and Mikhail. The main thing I don't like about Barash is the smaller typeset, but that makes for a more wieldy one-volume text.

 

[VentdependenT]

You want clinical you get Yao and you get Reed. That will tie everything together.

 

[urgewrx]

I don't think most attendings really know anywhere near all the details in morgan/mikhail. Miller and Barash are strictly reference texts. You have to be insane to read those through and through.

Call me insane.

When I was a 3rd year med student I got to work with residents from all services. The only residents who knew their stuff well were the surgeons. How come? They are the busiest service and they like to brag about being party animals. Didn't take long to realize why. Those guys went for the BIG books, Townsend & Sabinston, when they were on call. If they were not seeing a pt they were reading. They didn't read Comic Books (i.e., Morgan & Mikhail) like the other residents. Thanks to them I learned what it takes to be the best.

 

[VentdependenT]

Call me insane.

When I was a 3rd year med student I got to work with residents from all services. The only residents who knew their stuff well were the surgeons. How come? They are the busiest service and they like to brag about being party animals. Didn't take long to realize why. Those guys went for the BIG books, Townsend & Sabinston, when they were on call. If they were not seeing a pt they were reading. They didn't read Comic Books (i.e., Morgan & Mikhail) like the other residents. Thanks to them I learned what it takes to be the best.

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[CremeSickle]

Why dont we all go on a chat function and ill ask you questions right out of M&M "key concepts" at the begging of chapters.. Im gonna guess < 60%

 

[DrDre']

May be they went for the big textbook because they didnt have research skills (like how to hunt the 1o lit, use the internet)!🙂

(JK, have to poke fun at the surgeons once in a while)

Still, never have heard someone hold up surgeons as a paragon of intellectual virtue!

Call me insane.

When I was a 3rd year med student I got to work with residents from all services. The only residents who knew their stuff well were the surgeons. How come? They are the busiest service and they like to brag about being party animals. Didn't take long to realize why. Those guys went for the BIG books, Townsend & Sabinston, when they were on call. If they were not seeing a pt they were reading. They didn't read Comic Books (i.e., Morgan & Mikhail) like the other residents. Thanks to them I learned what it takes to be the best.

 

[urgewrx]

I'm not saying all surgeon are like that, but that's how they were at my med school. I'll top it off:

The anesthesia residents were the worst. One of the morning lectures went like this:

Faculty: You have a pregnant patient....... how would you provide the anesthesia?

CA3: Spinal

Faculty: What would you inject?

CA3: Bupi

Faculty: How much?

CA3: 1.5cc

Faculty: What's that in milligrams?

CA3: I'm not sure.

Faculty: What's the concentration of the bupi in the spinal tray?

CA3: I don't remember. Is it 2%...or maybe 5%....mmmmm, I'm not sure.

Faculty: You are 3 months from graduating and you still don't know what you have been injecting in the pt's back for the last 2 years? That's unacceptable.......

That resident got eaten alive, but guess what? He still graduated and got a job.

 

[dhb]

For once i have to agree with urge: M&M just gives factual information without any of the physio/pharm founding, for me it's an easy but frustrating read. I have yet to start the more meaty stuff.

 

[rmh149]

About to start residency this week and would like to know from the veterans - which do you think is better and why?

Big Miller or Barash
THANKS 😉

My vote: Barash....combined with Morgan & Mikail (best ever), Stoelting and Dierdorf, Anesthesia and Co-Existing Disease, Stoelting, Pharmacology & Physiology in Anesthetic Practice.

Baby Miller (too basic) is waste of time if you have Morgan & Mikail....in my opinion.

edit: didnt know Baby Miller has a new edition...with website.....maybe not a waste of time.

 

[InductionAgent]

For once i have to agree with urge: M&M just gives factual information without any of the physio/pharm founding, for me it's an easy but frustrating read. I have yet to start the more meaty stuff.

Hmm: M&M has an entire unit titled "Clinical Pharmacology," and chapters devoted to physiology of the major systems. I'm not sure where you come up with that.

If you are making the time to read Barash or Miller cover-to-cover, I won't argue with that, but honestly the 1000+ pages of M&M have a good deal of basic science packed in there.

 

[fakin' the funk]

My vote: Barash....combined with Morgan & Mikail (best ever), Stoelting and Dierdorf, Anesthesia and Co-Existing Disease, Stoelting, Pharmacology & Physiology in Anesthetic Practice.
BLAH BLAH BLAH

You'll note that the OP is starting residency, not nursing school. He didn't ask your opinion.

 

[loveumms]

Thanks everyone - I decided to take the Barash.

Start giving anesthesia tomorrow ... so excited (and terrified)!

 

[swpm]

Call me insane.

When I was a 3rd year med student I got to work with residents from all services. The only residents who knew their stuff well were the surgeons. How come? They are the busiest service and they like to brag about being party animals. Didn't take long to realize why. Those guys went for the BIG books, Townsend & Sabinston, when they were on call. If they were not seeing a pt they were reading. They didn't read Comic Books (i.e., Morgan & Mikhail) like the other residents. Thanks to them I learned what it takes to be the best.

This is maybe a bit over the top, but I hear what you're saying. The surgery residents I've known tend to be smarter and work harder than most non-surgeons. I think they're just expected to know more, and theirs is a culture of taking responsibility for every aspect of a patient's care. (Obviously I'm not including our orthopod friends here, what with their medicine consults to write insulin orders or read the squiggly lines on the pink checked paper. 🙂 )


I think M&M is a good book. I read it as a CA-1, along with Baby Miller and Reed. I also got through maybe 1/2 of Stoelting's co-existing disease, maybe 1/5 of Barash, plus about 2.5 trips through Big Blue. Not including the times I went to those books to specifically look something up, journal clubs, prep for lectures, etc. As a day-old CA-2, rolling over into a new block tomorrow, I was just putting together my reading plan for the year. I'm hoping to get through Yao (I liked Reed a lot because it was easy light reading, but its problem is that it's a bit too light) most of Barash (reading all of it seems a little too ambitious), finish Stoelting, and Big Blue a couple more times (once before the AKT-18 and again before next year's ITE). Leaving my my CA-3 year for rereads and specialty anesthesia texts like Cote etc.

I've had my own copy of Big Miller since before I started my CA-1 year, but I've barely touched it, except as an occasional reference.

Anyway, point being, I know I read a lot more than most anesthesia residents. I'm compulsive that way. Being antisocial helps too. But I don't think either Baby Miller or M&M are a waste, much less comicbook material. I haven't seen the new Baby Miller, but the 4th edition is dense and there's no useless trivia in it. I try to burn every figure in that book into my permanent memory.

I think you could do a lot worse as a CA-1 than memorize Baby Miller and read M&M cover to cover.

 

[rmh149]

You'll note that the OP is starting residency, not nursing school. He didn't ask your opinion.

Hmmm. So what would your suggestion be? Wait, have you read ANY of the text books listed above.....other than Baby Miller?

 

[epidural man]

Thanks everyone - I decided to take the Barash.

Start giving anesthesia tomorrow ... so excited (and terrified)!

Too bad...you should have asked for the money and bought some ice cream instead.

Miller full edition is available on mdconsult.com and Barash is available on Ovid.com.

Most institutions have access to both.