Minor Misdemeanor and MD/PhD

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This last fall, I recieved a minor misdemeanor for a hunting related violation. It was really a freak type of thing. Basically, we were waterfowl hunting on a federal marsh. We decided in the late afternoon to take a break for lunch and head into a small town a few miles away. We come back about half an hour later game warden is sitting on the side of the road waiting for us. Three of us got tickets for leaving decoys unattended on public ground. The ticket was less than 100 bucks, but because it was on federal ground, it was considered a federal misdemeanor.

The three of us were originally going to challenge it in court, but going against the federal system is tougher & could have potentially cost us thousands of dollars more. Instead, we paid the tickets but are now stuck with a misdemeanor on the record.

It is really a strange charge, you would think a game warden would spend more time catching folks who are I don't feel like I did anything ethically or morally wrong (WE JUST WANTED A BITE TO EAT!), but it is technically illegal to leave decoys out on federal ground-even for just a few minutes.

I am planning on applying for MD/PhD in the coming years and am kind of scared how this will affect my app. Will I have to report this on the application or secondaries? It is really nothing more than a speeding ticket, but with a huge Fed misdemeanor label sticking to it. I would think this would have a much lower impact than even something like an MIP for ADCOMs, but who knows.

I think that even if I have to report it, that it will be pretty easy to explain. I am just hoping that schools won't automatically weed me out because of it, even if the rest of my application is decent. Thoughts?
 
This last fall, I recieved a minor misdemeanor for a hunting related violation. It was really a freak type of thing. Basically, we were waterfowl hunting on a federal marsh. We decided in the late afternoon to take a break for lunch and head into a small town a few miles away. We come back about half an hour later game warden is sitting on the side of the road waiting for us. Three of us got tickets for leaving decoys unattended on public ground. The ticket was less than 100 bucks, but because it was on federal ground, it was considered a federal misdemeanor.

The three of us were originally going to challenge it in court, but going against the federal system is tougher & could have potentially cost us thousands of dollars more. Instead, we paid the tickets but are now stuck with a misdemeanor on the record.

It is really a strange charge, you would think a game warden would spend more time catching folks who are I don't feel like I did anything ethically or morally wrong (WE JUST WANTED A BITE TO EAT!), but it is technically illegal to leave decoys out on federal ground-even for just a few minutes.

I am planning on applying for MD/PhD in the coming years and am kind of scared how this will affect my app. Will I have to report this on the application or secondaries? It is really nothing more than a speeding ticket, but with a huge Fed misdemeanor label sticking to it. I would think this would have a much lower impact than even something like an MIP for ADCOMs, but who knows.

I think that even if I have to report it, that it will be pretty easy to explain. I am just hoping that schools won't automatically weed me out because of it, even if the rest of my application is decent. Thoughts?

You'll include a short 2 sentence explanation on your application--there's a spot for explaining any criminal offenses. I don't think this will hurt you. You may need to follow up individually with schools if you don't get secondaries. It will make for a good interview conversation....
 
i think you'll be fine...so as long as you acknowledge it and explain what happened

it's not like you have an MIP or anything
 
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Yeah, just make sure you put it on your app and explain it. No one is going to think "Man, this kid left decoys out during lunch? Wow. Blacklisted."

Don't worry!
 
Personally, I wouldn't even bring it up.

If I remember how the question is worded, it is something like "Have you ever committed any criminal offenses which would prevent you from being licensed? (if so, explain)" or something to that effect. In which case, you can in good faith answer "No." and move on to the next question.

I'd just let sleeping dogs lie if I were you.

But either way, it shouldn't be a problem.
 
Personally, I wouldn't even bring it up.

If I remember how the question is worded, it is something like "Have you ever committed any criminal offenses which would prevent you from being licensed? (if so, explain)" or something to that effect. In which case, you can in good faith answer "No." and move on to the next question.

I'd just let sleeping dogs lie if I were you.

But either way, it shouldn't be a problem.


I think, but I could be wrong, that that wording of the question has been replaced with "have you ever been convincted of a criminal offense (excluding speeding tickets)" or something to that effect. So you will have to include it. With that said, I really doubt it will hurt you.
 
I think, but I could be wrong, that that wording of the question has been replaced with "have you ever been convincted of a criminal offense (excluding speeding tickets)" or something to that effect. So you will have to include it. With that said, I really doubt it will hurt you.

If anything, and I very well could be wrong here, I think it's something funny to talk about during an interview. Getting convicted of "leaving decoys unattended", IMO, is a pretty funny offense. I can't think of many people that would find this indicative of poor character, just hope you don't interview with a rabid anti-hunting advocate. Which, in research settings, I can imagine is a pretty slim chance.

As for putting it down, the wording of the questions this past year makes me think you definitely would be required. Most of the ones I saw were "criminal offense excluding traffic violations". Will they do a federal background check on you and/or care if they found out? Probably not - but definitely best to be honest about it.
 
Leaving decoys unattended? I cant even wrap my mind around that law... In my opinion, you will have no problem with that, and if it ever comes up, I'm pretty sure the interviewer will laugh.
 
Thanks for the replies all. The general consensus was what I was thinking. That as long as I don't get flagged by some nazi, I should be fine.

Whenever I looked at the ticket I had to laugh. It literally says: "Leaving decoys unattended on a Federal Waterfowl Production Area. Misdemeanor...."

One of the problems of being such a huge hunter/fisher is that you have to walk a very fine line. You never know when the next person you talk to is a big anti that will pounce on you. Although I hope it won't happen during Med interviews, you never know. Especially because it is such large part of my extracurriculars, volunteer work, etc. It is a hard subject to avoid.

It will be a good ice breaker, though. "So tell me about this criminal offense..."
 
When I saw the title of the thread - I thought "Oh geez, this place is turning into pre-allo" Then I read the thread. That is the most hilarious offense I've ever heard of. I expect nothing less from an MD/PhD candidate!
 
When I saw the title of the thread - I thought "Oh geez, this place is turning into pre-allo" Then I read the thread. That is the most hilarious offense I've ever heard of. I expect nothing less from an MD/PhD candidate!
Agree. After four years of SDN, I thought I'd seen 'em all, but this was a new one even for me. :laugh:

OP, I agree with seraph; I think most adcoms would either think it was inconsequential or even funny. It certainly gave me a laugh, anyway. If you do get a rabid anti-hunting person who gets on your case, stay cool and don't attack back. Let them know you respect their position and just don't agree. It's not illegal to hunt, so you really don't need to "defend" your choice to participate in a legal activity. Oh, and make sure you take your decoys with you for lunch from now on. 😛