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I'm a long-time lurker but just recently decided to create an account.

I'm fortunate enough to have 1 acceptance to a U.S. MD school this cycle. However, I am somehow still not satisfied. The school is what many people would consider "lower-tier" (rank not published on U.S. News), and people usually joke about this school as a safety school". Many of my friends haven't even heard of this school. And whats even worse is that this school is out of state.

Because the school is out-of-state and is lower tier, it'll be hard for me to come back to my current state for residency and/or get into a good residency program.

I feel bad for not being ecstatic over my acceptance, especially since 60% of applicants don't get in anywhere. However, I can't help but be unhappy about this application cycle. I'm such a strong applicant (LizzyM score >70, hundreds of hours volunteering/doing research, etc.), and I feel like I deserve more/better. I have gotten 6 interviews this cycle, but they're mostly at no-name schools (their rank also isn't published on U.S. News). At times, I wish could just reapply next cycle and hope it goes better.

How should I cope with this?

I'm sorry if this thread offends anyone. I know I should be grateful, and I am. But I just know I can do better, and things aren't going as well as I thought they would at the beginning of the application cycle.



EDIT (2/24): I'm not actually going to turn down the acceptance and reapply. I'll go. And I'll be happy that I'm in the 40% that made it to med school. What I meant in my original post is that in a way, there are times where I wish I got rejected everywhere so that I could reapply. Yes its stupid that I think that, and I wish I didn't.

I'm just overreacting. Hopefully I'll eventually get over this sense of entitlement and just prepare to kick butt in med school.
 
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midweststudent1 said:
The real question here is "do I wanna be a doctor or not" lol....matriculate, work hard, and be the best physician you can be
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Of course I want to be a doctor. But I just feel like my chances of getting into a good residency program (and that too, one that is in my home state) will be significantly affected. A lot of people say that prestige doesn't matter, but I've heard many people say otherwise (including 2 people I know that are adcoms)
 
If you could be specific about what was on your application, maybe you can get some ideas as to why you were not seen as a choice candidate by top schools.

If you lacked any interesting, non-cookie cutter, ECs that could do it. If your letter writers hardly knew you, that could do it. If you had any red flags like a DUI or an institutional action, that could do it. If you had few volunteering or shadowing hours or if all your volunteering happened in a very short time that could do it.

GPA+MCAT is only part of getting in somewhere.
 
midweststudent1 said:
The real question here is "do I wanna be a doctor or not" lol....matriculate, work hard, and be the best physician you can be
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+1. The school isn't going to define how hard you work. The med school gives you the degree but your board scores will be getting you the residency you need. Don't pass this up!!
 
parallax18 said:
I'm a long-time lurker but just recently decided to create an account.

I'm fortunate enough to have 1 acceptance to a U.S. MD school this cycle. However, I am somehow still not satisfied. The school is what many people would consider "lower-tier" (rank not published on U.S. News), and people usually joke about this school as a safety school". Many of my friends haven't even heard of this school. And whats even worse is that this school is out of state.

Because the school is out-of-state and is lower tier, it'll be hard for me to come back to my current state for residency and/or get into a good residency program.

I feel bad for not being ecstatic over my acceptance, especially since 60% of applicants don't get in anywhere. However, I can't help but be unhappy about this application cycle. I'm such a strong applicant (LizzyM score >70, hundreds of hours volunteering/doing research, etc.), and I feel like I deserve more/better. I have gotten 6 interviews this cycle, but they're mostly at no-name schools (their rank also isn't published on U.S. News). At times, I wish could just reapply next cycle and hope it goes better.

How should I cope with this?

I'm sorry if this thread offends anyone. I know I should be grateful, and I am. But I just know I can do better, and things aren't going as well as I thought they would at the beginning of the application cycle.
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You'll never get in anywhere if you re-apply having held an acceptance. At this point, focus on rocking the boards and networking so you can obtain a good residency (you still have those options from every school -- it's just more up to you to make it happen at a lower-tier school)

Don't feel bad about how you feel -- you have every right and don't let people feed you a bunch of nonsense about how it's not about what we know it's about. But you do have to accept it. Luckily, as a more competitive applicant than your peers, you have the advantage of being smarter than them-- you'll probably rise to the top naturally and thus have an advantage to shine. Just make sure you gun from day one.
 
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parallax18 said:
I'm a long-time lurker but just recently decided to create an account.

I'm fortunate enough to have 1 acceptance to a U.S. MD school this cycle. However, I am somehow still not satisfied. The school is what many people would consider "lower-tier" (rank not published on U.S. News), and people usually joke about this school as a safety school". Many of my friends haven't even heard of this school. And whats even worse is that this school is out of state.

Because the school is out-of-state and is lower tier, it'll be hard for me to come back to my current state for residency and/or get into a good residency program.

I feel bad for not being ecstatic over my acceptance, especially since 60% of applicants don't get in anywhere. However, I can't help but be unhappy about this application cycle. I'm such a strong applicant (LizzyM score >70, hundreds of hours volunteering/doing research, etc.), and I feel like I deserve more/better. I have gotten 6 interviews this cycle, but they're mostly at no-name schools (their rank also isn't published on U.S. News). At times, I wish could just reapply next cycle and hope it goes better.

How should I cope with this?

I'm sorry if this thread offends anyone. I know I should be grateful, and I am. But I just know I can do better, and things aren't going as well as I thought they would at the beginning of the application cycle.
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MD program or DO? Unless its Liberty University School of Osteopathic medicine or very similar, I think you are just being whiny/ a drama queen. Take your acceptance and do well on USMLE Step 1. The rest will fall into place.
 
parallax18 said:
Of course I want to be a doctor. But I just feel like my chances of getting into a good residency program (and that too, one that is in my home state) will be significantly affected. A lot of people say that prestige doesn't matter, but I've heard many people say otherwise (including 2 people I know that are adcoms)
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Work hard and the school name won't matter. You can also do away rotations at the programs you think you might want to do residency at to boost your chances of matching there.
 
V5RED said:
If you could be specific about what was on your application, maybe you can get some ideas as to why you were not seen as a choice candidate by top schools.

If you lacked any interesting, non-cookie cutter, ECs that could do it. If your letter writers hardly knew you, that could do it. If you had any red flags like a DUI or an institutional action, that could do it. If you had few volunteering or shadowing hours or if all your volunteering happened in a very short time that could do it.

GPA+MCAT is only part of getting in somewhere.
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The ECs were fine. I had many hours of volunteering, shadowing, and research over an extended time as well as several non-cookie cutter ECs. No red flags for IA or DUI. I know my letters certainly could have been better. My letters from supervisors of my activities were fine, but my professor letters were mediocre at best.
 
Thank you guys for your posts. I know that board scores are way more important, and I guess I should start focusing on that now (or at least once med school starts).

I guess I just heard too many stories about the reputation of someone's med school holding them back during residency. And of course I was just frustrated that the application cycle didn't turn out to be as good as I hoped given my stats/ECs. But I'm trying to be happy with what I have and get prepared to turn things around in med school.
 
WillburCobb said:
Than a US MD school? You are aware as to how many seats professor Xavier has?
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Well I meant just a higher ranked U.S. MD school. The fact that this school's rank isn't published on US News probably isn't a good thing in terms of prestige/reputation.
 
knv2u said:
MD program or DO? Unless its Liberty University School of Osteopathic medicine or very similar, I think you are just being whiny/ a drama queen.
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If that's really how you feel then why are you hating on Liberty or "very similar" schools. This reminds me of how the pre-osteo forums are always so insistent that DO=MD, but yet turn around and hate so hard on the Caribbean. The fact that you are hating shows that there is clearly a hierarchy when it comes to DO schools -- if this is the case, then why do you deny that there would be a hierarchy when it comes to MD schools? The short answer is because you would kill for his spot since DO is written on the wall for you at this point, and you just would do anything for the opportunities / letters behind your name. If you need to hate on him because you are jealous, that's fine -- but at least admit it to yourself.

In conclusion,

if DO>Liberty DO
then MD>Lower Tier MD>>>>>>DO>Liberty DO>>>>>Caribbean

It's a slippery slope, my friend. You can't have your cake...
 
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The lower tier private schools put out matches in dermatology, plastics, rad onc, and neurosurgery across the country every year. I would argue that students from these schools are getting more competitive matches than those from many state schools.
 
Hindsight sucks, doesn't it? If you could go back in time, you should have applied to more schools and schools closer to you. I know this doesn't help you now though.

There's no point in expecting sympathy from SDN, folks here have only have two settings 1) Try hard 2) Try harder. Of course, it is frustrating to not get into schools you hoped for, or not be able to live in a location that you would have liked. However, prevailing wisdom on these forums is that if you turn down an acceptance, you are effectively ending your career in medicine. So you really only have one option, and that is to do as well as possible in this school so you can match back into a residency of your choice.

As far as I know, no medical school will limit you from matching you into a residency location of your choice. Granted, you may have a harder time matching into MGH/Hopkins/NYP or whatever, but that's something you will have to deal with. Look at the school's match list, does it look encouraging?

And don't bash yourself, or your school. Make the best of what you have, even if it isn't what you were hoping for.
 
parallax18 said:
Well I meant just a higher ranked U.S. MD school. The fact that this school's rank isn't published on US News probably isn't a good thing in terms of prestige/reputation.
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1 - rank is arbitrary BS.

2 - US News is even more arbitrary, plus it hurts my 'roids when wiping, which is a shame because that's pretty much all it's good for.
 
parallax18 said:
The school is what many people would consider "lower-tier" (rank not published on U.S. News), and people usually joke about this school as a safety school".
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Don't let stupid **** like this get to you.

You got into an US-MD, where ever it is in or out of state, that's a great accomplishment. Now, go to said med school and go hard.
 
If you are not a troll, you have a really warped sense of what it means to go to these "low tier" or "unranked" MD programs from hanging around SDN too long. The MD curriculum in the US is so standardized that you are comparing good education with really good.

Reapplying after gaining an offer of admission is a very, very poor plan that has a fair chance of landing you without any acceptances, particularly if you are someone who only compiled satisfactory LORs -- why do you think another go would turn out better?!

You do realize that you can't get into any residency at all if you don't go to medical school, right?
 
NYCNative said:
If that's really how you feel then why are you hating on Liberty or "very similar" schools. This reminds me of how the pre-osteo forums are always so insistent that DO=MD, but yet turn around and hate so hard on the Caribbean. The fact that you are hating shows that there is clearly a hierarchy when it comes to DO schools -- if this is the case, then why do you deny that there would be a hierarchy when it comes to MD schools? The short answer is because you would kill for his spot since DO is written on the wall for you at this point, and you just would do anything for the opportunities / letters behind your name. If you need to hate on him because you are jealous, that's fine -- but at least admit it to yourself.

In conclusion,

if DO>Liberty DO
then MD>Lower Tier MD>>>>>>DO>Liberty DO>>>>>Caribbean

It's a slippery slope, my friend. You can't have your cake...
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Liberty University only has provisional accreditation and not full accreditation. There are several new DO schools (and even some new MD schools) that do not have full accreditation (DO schools appear to be expanding at a greater rate than MD schools hence the MD/DO question). These schools have unproven track records. And while they may eventually receive full accreditation, this is not guaranteed and if the schools do not obtain full accreditation, you are completely screwed if you attended that school and will be unable to match into residency. Exactly what was so controversial about my post?
 
Underu said:
Hindsight sucks, doesn't it? If you could go back in time, you should have applied to more schools and schools closer to you. I know this doesn't help you now though.

There's no point in expecting sympathy from SDN, folks here have only have two settings 1) Try hard 2) Try harder. Of course, it is frustrating to not get into schools you hoped for, or not be able to live in a location that you would have liked. However, prevailing wisdom on these forums is that if you turn down an acceptance, you are effectively ending your career in medicine. So you really only have one option, and that is to do as well as possible in this school so you can match back into a residency of your choice.

As far as I know, no medical school will limit you from matching you into a residency location of your choice. Granted, you may have a harder time matching into MGH/Hopkins/NYP or whatever, but that's something you will have to deal with. Look at the school's match list, does it look encouraging?

And don't bash yourself, or your school. Make the best of what you have, even if it isn't what you were hoping for.
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Well I applied to 35 schools, and that too, 6 schools in state. If I could change anything, I'd probably apply early (AKA submit AMCAS on the first day). I applied late June and wasn't verified til mid August.

I'm not actually going to turn down the acceptance and reapply. I'll go. And I'll be happy that I'm in the 40% that made it to med school. What I meant in my original post is that in a way, there are times where I wish I got rejected everywhere so that I could reapply. Yes its stupid that I think that, and I wish I didn't.

I'm just overreacting. Hopefully I'll eventually get over this sense of entitlement and just prepare to kick butt in med school.
 
parallax18 said:
Well I applied to 35 schools, and that too, 6 schools in state. If I could change anything, I'd probably apply early (AKA submit AMCAS on the first day). I applied late June and wasn't verified til mid August.

I'm not actually going to turn down the acceptance and reapply. I'll go. And I'll be happy that I'm in the 40% that made it to med school. What I meant in my original post is that in a way, there are times where I wish I got rejected everywhere so that I could reapply. Yes its stupid that I think that, and I wish I didn't.

I'm just overreacting. Hopefully I'll eventually get over this sense of entitlement and just prepare to kick butt in med school.
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Could it be that you applied to too many schools and spread yourself too thinly, resulting in compromised application quality? I'm just curious, because I think there is definitely a trade off when increasing the number of applications .
 
knv2u said:
Could it be that you applied to too many schools and spread yourself too thinly, resulting in compromised application quality? I'm just curious, because I think there is definitely a trade off when increasing the number of applications .
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This could be a possibility. I was swamped with 30+ secondaries within 2-3 days of getting verified, and in an effort to get all my secondaries out within 2 weeks, I had to fly through them and crank out 2-3 secondaries per day. I'm pretty sure that compromised the quality of my secondary essays. Should've pre-written them smh
 
parallax18 said:
This could be a possibility. I was swamped with 30+ secondaries within 2-3 days of getting verified, and in an effort to get all my secondaries out within 2 weeks, I had to fly through them and crank out 2-3 secondaries per day. I'm pretty sure that compromised the quality of my secondary essays. Should've pre-written them smh
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I think it would have been wiser to selectively choose the schools that you applied to rather than to apply to so many. More is not always better. You left yourself with little to no spare time and hurt your wallet. Moreover, you managed to do more harm than potential good. I point this out not to be critical, but to call attention to it should you reapply (and for other similarly situated posters who might read this and are contemplating applying to that many schools).
 
Sometimes it's a natural feeling. I was accepted into a great school but I kept wanting acceptance at another school where I was waitlisted. I have a solid acceptance but I wanted something better.

Then I remember that I know people who went through 3-4 application cycles and didn't get a single acceptance. 1 acceptance would have changed their life forever.

It's up to you if you want to get caught up in that sort of thing. I'm probably going to take a 1 month break from SDN and enjoy my time off. When I turned in my primary I just wanted an acceptance ANYWHERE. Now I've gotten a bit greedy.

Good luck to you if you decide to reapply.
 
Where are you guys getting this "if you turn down any acceptance, you won't get accepted anywhere else" logic from?
 
You rather be rejected by every school and spend another year with the fear of not knowing your future? I have a LizzyM score of over 75, published multiple research papers, and devoted hundreds of hours volunteering. Not a single acceptance yet. Be goddamn grateful for that acceptance.
 
Getting an MD acceptance is absurdly competitive. I know I am a highly qualified applicant that will become a successful doctor, but I had to scrape and claw just for an IS unranked MD seat. Take the acceptance and run! There are literally thousands of applicants who would do unspeakable things to take your seat.

Take a step back and remember your goals. You want to become a doctor. Mission accomplished! You control your destiny from here. Don't let being from a "low ranked" medical school hold you back from achieving your dream, because it's not a legitimate excuse.
 
parallax18 said:
Well I applied to 35 schools, and that too, 6 schools in state. If I could change anything, I'd probably apply early (AKA submit AMCAS on the first day). I applied late June and wasn't verified til mid August.
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This fact alone shows that there is a HUGE red flag in your application. If it isn't something obvious I would really just take any acceptance and run with it. Obviously you applied to this school for a reason, right? Otherwise you wouldn't have wasted $100 on it. Reapplying just gives you that chance that you won't get any the next time around and do you really want to spend all that money all over again? I understand that you're a little disappointed, a good friend of mine is going through a similar thing even though he has no acceptances. His GPA and MCAT are phenomenal and we cannot for the lives of us figure out why he hasn't gotten in any where. Keep your head up and just know that smaller schools sometimes end up being better because you can get to know your professors and network opposed to being 1/200.
 
This thread is an (unfortunate) example of why applicants need to think really hard about which schools they could see themselves attending and only apply to those schools.

OP, be happy for your acceptance and work hard in medical school. Getting a good residency is mostly student-dependent.
 
Who cares about the name of the school. Ask for the school's match list and average board scores. Also, if you really feel like you belong at a better school then you'll score the same on your boards as you would at that "higher ranked" school unless you're one of those people who's grade actually depends on lecture quality. Do that+research+away rotations in your home state and you shouldn't have that big of a problem unless you're gunning for radiology or derm or neurosurgery.

Make sure you keep your residency status in your home state as well. It's easier to come back that way.

EDIT: Also let me take a guess. You're from California and this school you don't want to go to is in NY?
 
parallax18 said:
Well I meant just a higher ranked U.S. MD school. The fact that this school's rank isn't published on US News probably isn't a good thing in terms of prestige/reputation.
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Mayo was unranked until a few years ago. It just means that the school refuses to partake in a ridiculous ranking system (see http://journals.lww.com/academicmed...est_Medical_Schools__A_Critique_of_the.5.aspx)

Would you feel comfortable sharing the name of the school? I'm sure people here will have positive things to say about it.
 
parallax18 said:
Of course I want to be a doctor. But I just feel like my chances of getting into a good residency program (and that too, one that is in my home state) will be significantly affected. A lot of people say that prestige doesn't matter, but I've heard many people say otherwise (including 2 people I know that are adcoms)
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Work your butt off during med school, do research, get a great step 1 score, and you'll have no problem getting into a good residency.
 
TREDWISE said:
Where are you guys getting this "if you turn down any acceptance, you won't get accepted anywhere else" logic from?
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Because if you apply again, schools ask you if you've applied to medical school before. If you say yes, they will wonder why you didn't attend. So why should they waste a spot on you? Medical school seats are very limited and there are plenty of people who will go if asked.

parallax18 said:
I'm fortunate enough to have 1 acceptance to a U.S. MD school this cycle. However, I am somehow still not satisfied. The school is what many people would consider "lower-tier" (rank not published on U.S. News), and people usually joke about this school as a safety school". Many of my friends haven't even heard of this school. And whats even worse is that this school is out of state.

Because the school is out-of-state and is lower tier, it'll be hard for me to come back to my current state for residency and/or get into a good residency program.
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USNews is a poor way of gauging the quality of a medical school. And what makes you think that you're an upper tier applicant if you didn't get into any upper tier schools?

parallax18 said:
I'm such a strong applicant (LizzyM score >70, hundreds of hours volunteering/doing research, etc.)
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Many medical schools are sitting on an average gpa around 3.7 and 32 MCAT. That's a LizzyM score of 69. You are decidedly mediocre. If you decide to reapply, don't be surprised if your 1 acceptance turns into 0.
 
You should quit worrying. If you're as good as you say you are, then you're a big fish in a little pond. This may actually work to your advantage if you play your cards right.

Just FYI, your attitude of "I'm too good for this," is a very unlikeable in med school and even more so in residency. This attitude is what ends up red flagging you in clinicals. Better quash it now.

One last thing, you got in! Now shut up and enjoy life.
 
Chipster. said:
Would you feel comfortable sharing the name of the school? I'm sure people here will have positive things to say about it.
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I would love to know this too. Also, if you wish to reapply (which I discourage), we would need to know your stats to make a recommendation.
 
Just to comment on the "big fish little pond" mentality, I don't think this actually holds up at any school. People come in with all sorts of amazing backgrounds/stats and you'd be surprised at how little predictability it has on performance.

It's easy to think because you got a 36 mcat you'll do well but it's discouraging when that same person struggles to pass anatomy while the 27 mcat honors, and that's really happens. Point being everyone should be happy to be there and should work really hard and see where the cards fall. Also, you can definitely match back in your home state from anywhere in the country.
 
if you think about it, OP is unhappy about going to X school but is still going to spend $250,000 to go there. Even a fifth grader would see how ridiculous that is. this pre med neuroticism is a bit waning.
 
Oh gosh. A lot of hurt butts in here.

OP, if you don't feel comfortable going to that school then don't, but MAKE SURE you consult several professionals including some of the schools that rejected you about why things didn't turn out the way you thought they would. That way you'll be ready to go next time, and when they ask you why you didn't go just say that you didn't feel like it was a good fit for whatever reason (i.e. Not because of reputation as so many are assuming).

All of these "Starving people in Africa" fallacies that you're hearing are just because people are taking out their own misfortunes/insecurities on you. That said, don't disregard them completely. It's important to be cautious when there's so much time and chance at stake.
 
mnhockeyfan said:
This thread is an (unfortunate) example of why applicants need to think really hard about which schools they could see themselves attending and only apply to those schools.

OP, be happy for your acceptance and work hard in medical school. Getting a good residency is mostly student-dependent.
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I agree with you, but the OPs method actually worked. If he would've done what you're suggesting, he probably wouldn't be holding an acceptance.

He applied to 35 schools, haha thats the shotgun approach.
 
TREDWISE said:
Oh gosh. A lot of hurt butts in here.

OP, if you don't feel comfortable going to that school then don't, but MAKE SURE you consult several professionals including some of the schools that rejected you about why things didn't turn out the way you thought they would. That way you'll be ready to go next time, and when they ask you why you didn't go just say that you didn't feel like it was a good fit for whatever reason (i.e. Not because of reputation as so many are assuming).

All of these "Starving people in Africa" fallacies that you're hearing are just because people are taking out their own misfortunes/insecurities on you. That said, don't disregard them completely. It's important to be cautious when there's so much time and chance at stake.
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Personally, I disagree, and it has nothing to do with my own experience.
This is at least the third thread of a similar nature this year.
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/thr...-taking-gap-year-and-going-to-top-20.1051121/
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/accept-offer-at-low-tier-school-or-defer-a-year.1052130/

There were several ADCOMS/physicians that posted in those threads about how it would be a very bad idea to turn down an acceptance and reapply.
 
terp720 said:
Personally, I disagree, and it has nothing to do with my own experience.
This is at least the third thread of a similar nature this year.
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/thr...-taking-gap-year-and-going-to-top-20.1051121/
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/accept-offer-at-low-tier-school-or-defer-a-year.1052130/

There were several ADCOMS/physicians that posted in those threads about how it would be a very bad idea to turn down an acceptance and reapply.
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If the sole basis is the reputation of the school, then I would definitely agree. And depending on the circumstances I would also agree. But I don't think that it's always a mistake to turn down your only acceptance in favor of waiting a year, contrary to what people are implying.
 
Gene Parmesan said:
Getting an MD acceptance is absurdly competitive. I know I am a highly qualified applicant that will become a successful doctor, but I had to scrape and claw just for an IS unranked MD seat. Take the acceptance and run! There are literally thousands of applicants who would do unspeakable things to take your seat.
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Like eat a poop hotdog.
 
parallax18 said:
I feel bad for not being ecstatic over my acceptance, especially since 60% of applicants don't get in anywhere. However, I can't help but be unhappy about this application cycle. I'm such a strong applicant (LizzyM score >70, hundreds of hours volunteering/doing research, etc.), and I feel like I deserve more/better. I have gotten 6 interviews this cycle, but they're mostly at no-name schools (their rank also isn't published on U.S. News). At times, I wish could just reapply next cycle and hope it goes better.
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TREDWISE said:
If the sole basis is the reputation of the school, then I would definitely agree. And depending on the circumstances I would also agree. But I don't think that it's always a mistake to turn down your only acceptance in favor of waiting a year, contrary to what people are implying.
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The only problem is, ADCOMs won't know your reason for reapplying. And if it comes up that he did not only get interviews this cycle, but also an acceptance, it may not matter if it was because of reputation or any other reason that he chose not to attend.
 
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