Mmi example question help

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Can a caregiver for a mentally incompetent person refuse treatment on the persons behalf? For example, if someone with dimentia also has cancer or something, can the legal decision maker decide again chemo?

Similarly, if a child is above 18 but is mentally ill, can they be forced to take antiphysoctics by their parents? On the other hand, can the parents decide again antipsychotics?
 
Can a caregiver for a mentally incompetent person refuse treatment on the persons behalf? For example, if someone with dimentia also has cancer or something, can the legal decision maker decide again chemo?

Similarly, if a child is above 18 but is mentally ill, can they be forced to take antiphysoctics by their parents? On the other hand, can the parents decide again antipsychotics?
I think the first thing I would address is to make sure the patient is truly mentally incompetent versus mentally ill. Just because a patient may have a mental illness does not necessarily mean they are unable to make decisions for themselves.
In general with MMI, I try to remember that nothing is black and white. In these cases I would personally say that guardians may have some ability to make reasonable decisions for their patients (because honestly someone needs to if they truly can’t make decisions for themselves) but as a physician I would try to communicate clearly with the family so they understood all their options for the patient.
In general that’s how I would start to approach the question, but I think a lot of it is up for interpretation. Just be sure to rationalize your opinion and be willing to see both sides of any situation
 
Can a caregiver for a mentally incompetent person refuse treatment on the persons behalf? For example, if someone with dimentia also has cancer or something, can the legal decision maker decide again chemo?

Similarly, if a child is above 18 but is mentally ill, can they be forced to take antiphysoctics by their parents? On the other hand, can the parents decide again antipsychotics?
Also I’m just a lowly applicant but that’s my two cents. Would love to hear other thoughts
 
Can a caregiver for a mentally incompetent person refuse treatment on the persons behalf? For example, if someone with dimentia also has cancer or something, can the legal decision maker decide again chemo?

Similarly, if a child is above 18 but is mentally ill, can they be forced to take antiphysoctics by their parents? On the other hand, can the parents decide again antipsychotics?

Edit: sorry, totally missed the "legal decision maker" for the dementia patient. Short answer= yes, if pt is incapacitated.

Regarding the mentally ill child, is he/she incapacitated?
 
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When you need a treatment, the physician makes a recommendation, or several recommendations from which you might choose.
When you need a treatment but are unable to understand and decide for yourself because you are too young, or you are unconscious, or you are mentally incapable of understanding the choices being offered due to a temporary or permanent disability such as dementia or psychosis, then someone must make the decision on your behalf based on what that person thinks that you would decide for yourself if you were able to do so. That person might be a family member or it might be a court-appointed guardian. Some people draw up legal documents in advance (called advance directives) and some people decide, in advance, who they want to have make health care decisions if they can't make these decisions themselves. This is called having a durable power of attorney (POA) for health care. Some states have laws that specify which family member has the power to make decisions if the person doesn't have a durable power of attorney for health care and is incapacitated. For example, a spouse might be ranked first, if there is no spouse, then an adult child, then a parent, then a adult sibling, a cousin, and so forth.

Now, with this information, if you are the doctor and your patient is incapable of understanding and communicating a decision and you have a course of treatment in mind, whose consent do you need to go forward with your plan? Can that person refuse to give consent?
 
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