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So far I have been accepted to 4 schools, which I am obviously super happy about. All 4 did traditional interviews. I have also been rejected from 4 schools and waitlisted at 2 more, all of which did MMI style interviews.

While this could be a coincidence, it certainly seems that I am either very good at traditional interviews and/or very bad at MMIs.

I just received an offer to interview at a particularly awesome school. They do MMIs. Can anyone recommend any ways to improve at these? I have already read the thread about them in the advice thread. The difficulty is that I left all of the MMIs thinking I did a good job, so it is hard to know exactly what needs to be improved.
 
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Can you try some introspection on what went wrong in these MMI's? I know you said you think you did a good job, but is there anything you can think of that was consistently wrong with them?

0/6 on MMI is no coincidence
 
so i take it you have already read this and it didn't help much?

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/pugs-mmi-interview-strategy.1183568/

(someone should make more MMI strategy threads)

have you tried contacting one of the schools that rejected you post-interview for some general (ideally interview) advice? that may help

try reflecting more on your prior MMI performance and see whether there are any consistent flaws. i don't think schools had rejected you for any other reason besides interviews (though it may be different for the waitlists).
 
I interviewed at one school with an MMI, got in, and as it is my top choice I am not doing any other interviews. I don't have a wide breadth of experience to share, but did prepare significantly for the interview and I definitely was more comfortable because of it. I have done mock interviews as interviewee, and been a mock interviewer as well.

What Is The MMI?
What does an MMI offer the admissions committee?
  • It gives them standardized scores
  • More data points from more perspectives to decrease bias/halo effect
  • Usually closed file to decrease bias/halo effect
  • It ensures specific questions are asked and answered, rather than allowing interviewer autonomy thus creating differences and non-standard comparisons
What are they thinking when creating an MMI question/scenario?
  • They're hoping to get at one or two specific aspects of who you are
    • For example:
      • Your ability to handle pressure, Reasoning skills, Empathy, the ability to take on the perspective of another, Teamwork, Ability to recognize your mistakes and learn from them, professionalism, etc.
  • Look at their "desired/essential qualities" of a medical student on their admissions page. Those are the things they're looking to see in these questions, and most questions are created with one or two of these in mind.
What type of questions or scenarios are there?
  • Acting
    • Either the interviewer is acting, or you interact with an actor while there is an observer
  • Ethical scenario
  • Standard interview question (why our school, weakness, what's a challenge you've overcome, etc.)
  • Teamwork/collaboration
    • Solve a puzzle, draw something, or build something with another applicant giving instructions or vis versa
  • Debate

How I Approach an MMI Question/Scenario:

The General Philosophy:
  1. What does the question ask/what is the scenario?
  2. What does the ADCOM hope to see, what core value/essential characteristic are they looking for me to demonstrate here?
  3. Do I have this core value? How can I show this through my answer?
  4. Form my answer.
What if I don't know what core value/characteristic they're looking for in this scenario? Then I pick one of their essential characteristics that fit and work my answer with that in mind. No matter what I choose one or more characteristics to exemplify through my answer.

The Procedure:
Just like with an essay for a college writing class, I spend the 2 minutes prior to each station to create an outline of what I want to discuss. This outline always has 2 or 3 "paragraphs" or big points to be made. Each paragraph then has at least 1 (ideally 2) supporting points, such as an example from my personal life, a piece of evidence or sub point to the main idea, etc.

I make a point to always wedge in at least one point from my personal life during the answer of the question to both inform the interviewer of my experiences, and offer them avenues for further questioning if desired.

Example
Let's take, for example, an ethical scenario. I think showing how I think through something may help.

78 y/o indian, non-english speaking female arrives in ED with family for severe abdominal pain. CT reveals significant mass concerning for colorectal primary neoplasm. Family refuses translator preferring to translate themselves. When discussing results with family, they refuse to inform the patient of these findings as they worry she'll not handle it well. How do you address this situation?

What are ADCOMs trying to learn about me? Could be professionalism, empathy, communication skills, cultural sensitivity, respect for patient, among others.

Do I have these core values? Sure, I can draw from some personal experiences to show all of these things in some way. I'll not list those out but my answer can hit all those things I think.

What are my big bucket paragraphs, what is my outline?
  • Family concerns
    • Talk with family to know why they think what they think, rather than just push my own perspective. Emphasize seeking first to understand.
      • Cultural concerns? How can i be sensitive to these?
      • Medical/psych concern I don't know about?
      • Personal anecdote from scribe experience (i've seen how tough this conversation can be)
    • After learning their perspective I can better share my own, discuss consequences of telling versus not telling. Are family making informed decision as well?
  • Patient autonomy
    • Pt right to know. Is there a hospital or legal policy on this? I don't know I'm just a premed but if so I'd have to strongly consider that in my decision making
    • Ask patient does she want to know? Let her decide to know findings or not based on discussion with family. Don't force her to know if family is competent caregivers and she doesn't want to know.
    • If she wants to know, get an interpreter
      • (insert scribe or hospice experience on how hard it is for family to interpret difficult conversations, not to mention complicated medical terms)
How Did I Prepare for the MMI?

I learned the information I just gave you above. I looked up the school and their essential characteristics, in addition to the types of scenarios I could see.

I took my AMCAS resume and went through all my experiences, writing down all the characteristics each could show. This allowed me to quickly plug and play my experiences into my outline above without much thought, as I had just reviewed where each "puzzle piece" could fit. Practice talking for 1-2 minutes about each experience and how they show the characteristics I linked to them.

Come up with standard stories to use for common interview questions.

I hope you find this information useful, it's helped myself and some I've worked with to have success on their recent MMIs. Use it in combination with Puggs idea of how to approach ethical situations, as I think I do that without really thinking through it as a procedure.
So much good info here. Thanks for sharing!!
 
I remember you claiming to be the god of MMI a couple of months ago. So... what gives?

I guess you can go back to those MMI threads we were both in and do a 180 on your view
or just adopt my mine
^_^
 
I remember you claiming to be the god of MMI a couple of months ago. So... what gives?

I guess you can go back to those MMI threads we were both in and do a 180 on your view
or just adopt my mine
^_^
I have to congratulate you for being the most irritating user by far here. You really manage to grind people's gears 😕
 
So far I have been accepted to 4 schools, which I am obviously super happy about. All 4 did traditional interviews. I have also been rejected from 4 schools and waitlisted at 2 more, all of which did MMI style interviews.

While this could be a coincidence, it certainly seems that I am either very good at traditional interviews and/or very bad at MMIs.

I just received an offer to interview at a particular school that is far beyond my wildest dreams. They do MMIs. Can anyone recommend any ways to improve at these? I have already read the thread about them in the advice thread. The difficulty is that I left all of the MMIs thinking I did a good job, so it is hard to know exactly what needs to be improved.
Can you do a mock MMI with your premed adviser and/or career center? It's really the most helpful to get live, honest feedback from someone who isn't afraid to criticize you. That's what I did and I think it really helped.

Congrats on your acceptances, and best of luck on this interview!
 
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I just received an offer to interview at a particular school that is far beyond my wildest dreams. They do MMIs. Can anyone recommend any ways to improve at these? I have already read the thread about them in the advice thread. The difficulty is that I left all of the MMIs thinking I did a good job, so it is hard to know exactly what needs to be improved.

Congrats on your Stanford interview. MMIs are difficult to prepare for because they are designed to elicit the gut response and do not give you much time to think your answer through. But after you leave the room, the interviewers rank you in terms of certain competencies the school is looking for. For instance, those might be compassion, empathy, leadership, etc. So one way to prepare is to do MMI-style questions (I'm sure you can find many online) under timed conditions. Don't give yourself a lot of time to think about them - just answer. Maybe record yourself if you can. And then play it again and try to judge objectively what your response says about you. Does it speak to your compassion? Or maybe it doesn't show what you want it to show? For instance, if the question asks about physician-assisted suicide and you only talk about your role and responsibilities as a physician, then you aren't coming across as too compassionate or empathetic.

Note the areas of weakness in your responses and try to consciously fix those in later questions. You have to get to the point where your gut response tells the interviewer everything you want them to know about you.
 
I remember you claiming to be the god of MMI a couple of months ago. So... what gives?

I guess you can go back to those MMI threads we were both in and do a 180 on your view
or just adopt my mine
^_^

I definitely never claimed to be the "god" of anything. I don't think I even claimed to be good at MMIs. The only strong position I ever took was that I didn't feel that it would have been possible to prepare for any of the MMI questions that I have answered so far.
 
I definitely never claimed to be the "god" of anything. I don't think I even claimed to be good at MMIs. The only strong position I ever took was that I didn't feel that it would have been possible to prepare for any of the MMI questions that I have answered so far.
Opinions ahead!
I remember you disagreeing with extreme answers and claimed that the scenario I proposed were not how "MMIs are supposed to be." You also cheered on those who took the middle of the road approach. But the most telling thing was the fact you felt good after the MMIs. They (the good ones) were designed to put you on the spot. The interviewers are interested in your response under stress. So you must respond under stress. You don't get to off load the burden then respond. With that in mind, you should not feel good because there is no right answer. Whatever path you take, it goes with unsavory baggage.

The most basic set up for MMIs is this: given information X, A or B? The "correct" answer is "A (B) because X leads me to believe that___" . The answer that will fail you would be among "I need more information." "I choose A but if C I would choose B." "Neither" "I choose A because of X +Y (?)" and the instant reject "This is unrealistic."
 
The most basic set up for MMIs is this: given information X, A or B? The "correct" answer is "A (B) because X leads me to believe that___" . The answer that will fail you would be among "I need more information." "I choose A but if C I would choose B." "Neither" "I choose A because of X +Y (?)" and the instant reject "This is unrealistic."

It's not that simple. Their forms rate you on competencies, not on whether you got a "correct" answer or not. It's designed to elicit a gut response so that you don't have time to think about what the "right" response might be. As you say, there is no right response and finding the "right" response isn't important. What's important is what you show about yourself on your way to your response.
 
It's not that simple. Their forms rate you on competencies, not on whether you got a "correct" answer or not. It's designed to elicit a gut response so that you don't have time to think about what the "right" response might be. As you say, there is no right response and finding the "right" response isn't important. What's important is what you show about yourself on your way to your response.
Those are just examples of how people try to dodge the moral dilemma at hand and consequently feel "good" about their responses.
 
Chris the fact you have done well in a normal interview setting is evident that there is something wrong with your approach to the MMI, not you or your interview skills. If you were some anti social weirdo you would not have performed well in a typical interview setting, which I think is even harder. Take my advice for what it is worth, but I am 3/3 on MMI style interviews.

I try to get overly excited for MMI's.. think of it as a game almost.. I walk into the room with a big smile on my face and shake the persons hand to introduce myself. There really is not much you can prepare for. Just think about the question from multiple different angles and say what you think. Acknowledge other view points if need be. I think it is helpful to draw on personal experience if you can. I could tell in my interviews that when I used personal experiences to explain my reasoning that the interviewed liked it. Show compassion, empathy, introspection and that you are a socially normal person that they would want to be your physician.

You got this man! It doesn't matter if you go 1/7 on your MMI's.. get into your dream school!! 🙂
 
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I was trying to write something up on this topic, but you hit the nail on the head with the second paragraph.
I try to get overly excited for MMI's.. think of it as a game almost..
Yes! I tried to have a blast during my MMI's because I thought it was such an awkward activity that I just decided to embrace it and have fun.

I walk into the room with a big smile on my face and shake the persons hand to introduce myself.
Every school I've interviewed at that has used MMI has been the "friendly" type of school so I made sure to smile a ton and had a good time.

Just think about the question from multiple different angles and say what you think. Acknowledge other view points if need be.
Right again! My whole idea is to show my entire thought process. "Well my gut reaction was that X was better than Y because of A, B, and C, but upon further thought I would have to say that D, and E outweigh A, B, and C so I believe Y is better than X" goes a long way. You need to show that you have considered both sides and didn't just knee-jerk your way into an answer because it's what you personally would want.

I think it is helpful to draw on personal experience if you can. I could tell in my interviews that when I used personal experiences to explain my reasoning that the interviewed liked it.
Yes! I learn and do my best thinking via making connections to sort of "ground" or orient myself with the topic. MMI interviewers aren't supposed to react positively or negatively to your comments but I seem to remember I got the most smiles, nods, chuckles, and slightly audible "yes!" 's from the times that I related the stuff back to my own life and how I would feel in a similar situation.

Show compassion, empathy, introspection and that you are a socially normal person that they would want to be your physician.
Couldn't have said it better myself Sr. Frog! (except I probably would've included a serial comma after "introspection" 😉)
 
I was trying to write something up on this topic, but you hit the nail on the head with the second paragraph.

Yes! I tried to have a blast during my MMI's because I thought it was such an awkward activity that I just decided to embrace it and have fun.


Every school I've interviewed at that has used MMI has been the "friendly" type of school so I made sure to smile a ton and had a good time.


Right again! My whole idea is to show my entire thought process. "Well my gut reaction was that X was better than Y because of A, B, and C, but upon further thought I would have to say that D, and E outweigh A, B, and C so I believe Y is better than X" goes a long way. You need to show that you have considered both sides and didn't just knee-jerk your way into an answer because it's what you personally would want.


Yes! I learn and do my best thinking via making connections to sort of "ground" or orient myself with the topic. MMI interviewers aren't supposed to react positively or negatively to your comments but I seem to remember I got the most smiles, nods, chuckles, and slightly audible "yes!" 's from the times that I related the stuff back to my own life and how I would feel in a similar situation.


Couldn't have said it better myself Sr. Frog! (except I probably would've included a serial comma after "introspection" 😉)

Thank you for further expanding on my post AND correcting my poor punctuation skills 🙂
 
So far I have been accepted to 4 schools, which I am obviously super happy about. All 4 did traditional interviews. I have also been rejected from 4 schools and waitlisted at 2 more, all of which did MMI style interviews.

While this could be a coincidence, it certainly seems that I am either very good at traditional interviews and/or very bad at MMIs.

I just received an offer to interview at a particularly awesome school. They do MMIs. Can anyone recommend any ways to improve at these? I have already read the thread about them in the advice thread. The difficulty is that I left all of the MMIs thinking I did a good job, so it is hard to know exactly what needs to be improved.

The MMI is the stupidest interview style of all time. Clearly invented by administrative busy-bodies who had too much time on their hands, and thought that they were special snowflakes.

OP, @ChrisMack390, I'll be honest with you: I got waitlisted or rejected at every MMI interview I went to. I'm a terrible MMI interviewer. On the other hand, I've consistently been at the top of my class in SP sessions, and nail my hospital patient sessions with ease (based on feedback from a M4 mentor). Don't read much into the MMI. It's a pile of garbage.
 
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